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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 06:26 PM
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Cross Post: Hundreds of Voting Machines break down in Philly Primary

Please K and R the cross post in GD politics:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2630315&mesg_id=2630315

BREAKING: HUNDREDS OF VOTING MACHINES BREAK DOWN IN PHILLY!
Train Wreck in Progress as Today's Primary Elections in PA Run Into Big Trouble...
Paper Ballots Being Passed Out, 'We're Dead' Says One Official ... (Who could have forseen such problems?!)

Pennsylvania is having their primary elections today and, as expected, the train wreck is underway. As reported by Philadelphia Daily News, hundreds of machines (in this case, those made by Danaher Guardian) have failed...

BREAKING NEWS: 100 voting machines broken

More than 100 voting machines are reported to be broken across the city, the Daily News has learned.

Apparently, the machines were broken when polls opened this morning -- they keep spitting out the paper tape that keeps the tally of the vote. It is the largest breakdown since we started using the new voting machines.

MANY MORE DETAILS, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPING REPORTS:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002836.htm
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 06:42 PM
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1. K&N.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 06:46 PM
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2. Did PA pass audit legislation?
There better be independent observers present when the paper ballots are hand counted.
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 06:51 PM
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3. Ya know..I've had four ATM's do that in the last week!
Yeah Right :sarcasm:

Thanx Amaryllis
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:27 PM
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4. Are these machines getting Marc Fenster-ed !!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:57 PM
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5. What a surprise.
:sarcasm:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:21 PM
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6. Consider this
Edited on Tue May-16-06 08:21 PM by Canuckistanian
Maybe those machines *didn't* malfunction. Maybe the machine did exactly what they were programmed to do.

Maybe there's a true patriot working for ES&S (or Diebold, Brad doesn't say)

Sabotage!
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:14 AM
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9. no, they're genuinely crappy machines (Danaher)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:09 AM
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10. Gotcha.
As someone who works in high tech, this is absolutely inexcusable. Even a can opener must have reliability when it comes to actual function. There must have been ZERO quality testing on these machines.

A quick slap and dash job.

And don't tell me, the manufacturer got well paid for this, there was no bidding process and no regular testing done. Am I warm?
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:26 PM
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12. there was a bidding process, but the testing process is suspect
The complaint states that the defendants have failed to provide physically accessible polling places and voting machines for voters with disabilities. The complaint refers to the new voting machines the city will have shortly. The city has operated old and antiquated voting machines for some time and took bids with various national companies for the machines.

Former City Commissioner Alex Talmadge, who pushed for new machines during his tenure, was not named in the suit because he resigned from his position one month prior to the filing of the suit to run for district attorney.

The voting-machine vendor Danaher received the contract, and the new machines will cost $18.5 million.

http://citypaper.net/articles/112901/news.polnote.shtml

So they underbid the competition, and/or bribed a few local pols:

Officers of Shoup Voting Machine Co. were indicted for allegedly bribing politicians in Tampa, Florida in 1971, according to the San Francisco Business Times. Ransom Shoup was convicted in 1979 of conspiracy and obstruction of justice related to an FBI inquiry into a lever machine-counted election in Philadelphia. Shoup got a three-year suspended sentence. Meanwhile, Philadelphia has bought new voting machines from Danaher-Guardian, which appears to only sell voting machines formerly known as the "Shouptronic."

http://www.ecotalk.org/PressRelease.htm

It's hard to believe the Street administration would disenfranchise its constituents, but then it's almost a Philly tradition:

Firefighters found the bodies of six people today in the charred rubble of a radical group's house that bold been leveled in a police assault that set fire to the surrounding; neighborhood and destroyed more than 50 homes.

Mayor W. Wilson Goode, saying he was "devastated" by Monday night's destruction, said the city would rebuild the houses gutted by the blaze, which left 200 people homeless.
...
Mr. Goode indicated that he would approve such a bombing again <in> a similar situation.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/MOVE-Phihladelphia-BombNYT14may85.htm


As mayor, Rizzo continued to support the strong-arm tactics of the police department, and he himself made liberal use of them. He even formed a secret police force that investigated his political opponents. Rizzo claimed that severe law enforcement methods were necessary in a time of rising crime rates, but by 1979, the courts had to decide whether the city of Philadelphia, in its zeal for law and order, had violated the rights of its citizens. On August 3, 1979, the United States District Court, charging that Philadelphia Mayor Frank Rizzo and 18 high-ranking city and police officials either committed or condoned "widespread and severe" acts of police brutality.

http://www.dsl.psu.edu/civilrights/articles/frankrizzobio.html
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:57 PM
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11. Or a bunch of patriots
that are hell bent on taking back our Democracy by using the crooks very own weapons (voting machines) against them! :D
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 09:53 PM
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7. Kn R ...nt
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:25 AM
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8. Did Pennsylvania ever do the fixes?
(the security fixes, I mean) }(

I read on Bradblog their big "security announcement" was written by Diebold.
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