Gore: No Intermediate Step Between SCOTUS Decision and Violent Revolution

[Wilms]

5/22/2006

Al Gore on Stolen 2000 Election...

"In our system, there’s no intermediate step between a definitive Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."- Al Gore


From this week's issue of New York magazine...




snip/link

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002861.htm

[tavalon]

1. I wrote a reply

and then I deleted it because it was what cannot be stated out loud. Oh, Dear Lord (or Goddess in my case), please give us the one last chance, please, and if not that, please give us the strength.

I feel very small indeed to realize that I don't just yet have the guts to say what must be said. That hurts.

[regnaD kciN]

2. He's right...

Like it or not, there's no avenue for appeal of a Supreme Court decision.

The alternative would be to take to the streets.

Should we have done so, no matter how Quixotic it may have been? I was a bit surprised that there wasn't some unrest following the decision. I think a contributing factor for why an outpouring of public outrage didn't happen was the notion, at the time, that both candidates were "centrists," and that the winner would have no choice but to run a cautious, bi-partisan "unity government" that would shy away from drastic steps to change the system as it was at the end of the Clinton era.

If we knew then what we know now...how many would man the barricades?

[vicman]

3. I do recall

groups of very unhappy people lining the streets at *'s first inauguration. Objects, including eggs, pelted the motorcade as it drove to complete the theft of the White House.

[mod mom]

4. I expected it after 2000, but was not in a position to make the first move

(3 and 4 yo and an ill husband) but when 2004 came and the theft was carried out in my own backyard, I did. When we organized a rally in Columbus Oh in '04 we were hoping for between 10,000 and 100,000 people and only had 1,500. If we could get the masses to join us, and implement a boycott until our concerns were addressed, we could have change without violence. The recent mass protests in the Hispanic community were inspiring. I wish middle America would realize that either they must get off their over-pampered rear ends and demand change or else we can kiss whatever democracy we had good bye. Democracy is NOT a spectator sport.

[IndyOp]

9. Remember: The Ukranian election theft protests were organized before

the elections. We have to get busy with this now as a part of educating our fellow citizens about all forms of election fraud -- and how to inhibit, detect, and fight back against it...

[Land Shark]

5. And there's something else really important to know....

Bush v. Gore constitutionalized elections - placing them in significant part beyond the power of the people to affect, without a constitutional amendment.

Stewart v Blackwell applied Bush v Gore to use and selection of voting systems, further constitutionalizing our elections.

There's another one coming, but you probably wouldn't believe me if I told you.

[Recursion]

6. Try me nt

[IndyOp]

8. Stewart v Blackwell is an Ohio lawsuit and... ? (nt)

[Kurovski]

15. I'd love to know that to which you are referring, but I get a feeling that

it would be looked upon as an opportunity for some to begin a round of bickering based on something that hasn't even occurred yet.

I already believe this administration is capable of anything, so I would never dismiss out of hand anything you said.

In fact, I would seriously consider anything Land Shark said.

I had a question about Bush v. Gore, when the SC said it was a one time deal, did that mean that it was not to be cited as precedent in future cases? How unusual is it for the SC to make such a statement on a ruling? Are there any situations in which it could be taken as precedent?

[AtLiberty]

21. Try...

???

[IndyOp]

7. Off to the Greatest Page! We need to calmly, thoughtfully contemplate:

What is our 3rd option?

We need an answer before November - what do we do when more elections are stolen? It is a foregone conclusion that some - a few, some, many, most - some will be stolen by voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression, failing to count votes, electronic fraud...

What do we do? Ukraine was able to respond because they organzed in ADVANCE of the election - if it is stolen, then we will wear orange and take to the streets....



:kick:

[Kurovski]

17. The idea of a second "Boston Tea Party" has been floating around

for awhile now. Tossing mock-ups of the electronic voting machines into local bodies of water.

Given the relatively small numbers of individuals who are clear on the hazards to our Democracy presented by machine voting, it might be more effective to organize one national protest gathering site such as at Boston Harbor itself, or the Potomac. A real machine of some sort, tossed in along with (perhaps) bio-degradable mock-ups.

Of course, bio-degradable or not, whatever gets dumped will somehow have to be recovered, with arrangements for that made in advance. Whatever the laws are regarding dumping, there will most certainly be fines and probably arrests made. Again, plans for that would be made in advance with legal and economic plans set in advance.

Maybe we can set-up a pool of donations. Money can be given by those unable to attend, but who can nevertheless provide economic help to those who can attend, but who lack the funds. A lot of young people are in that boat. Having the time and stamina to attend, but often have few economic resources.

[IndyOp]

10. CONTEXT of the quote:

From an interview with Gore in this week's issue of New York magazine -

Does he, like many Democrats, think the election was stolen?

Gore pauses a long time and stares into the middle distance. "There may come a time when I speak on that,” Gore says, "but it’s not now; I need more time to frame it carefully if I do.” Gore sighs. "In our system, there’s no intermediate step between a definitive Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."

[mod mom]

11. I believe that massive protests and boycotts would be a peaceful method

that could work.

[lostnfound]

20. Had he spoken up then, perhaps we would have felt led into..

such actions. As it was, I simply felt lost, wondering what could be done. Wouldn't such actions have led to violence, however, when the other side's dimwitted vigilantes saw it as an attempt by OUR side to steal the election? Fox News surely would have rallied the stormtroopers.. Of course, if Gore saw that any such protests & boycotts would end up leading to a civil war of sorts, he would thereby be handing the country over to the very thugs who would have instigated such violence.

I'm not blaming him -- he's my #1 choice for 2008. But it was quite a dilemna he faced at that time, as we all faced, but we weren't the ones with the big lever arm.

[Fovea]

12. Boycott

sure, it will only hasten the arrival of the upcoming military state/command economy, but it will certainly wake the rest of the world up.

[unblock]

13. actually, that's NOT true. the fla. supreme court could have ignored it

and should have. the florida supreme court should have ignored the u.s. supreme court on the grounds that they did not have jurisdiction over a matter that the constitution CLEARLY assigns to the STATES and then, in the case of disputes, to CONGRESS.

[IndyOp]

14. How often do State Supreme Courts ignore SCOTUS? (n/t)

:shrug:

[unblock]

16. it's virtually unheard of

but that's because the u.s. supreme court rarely claims for itself powers to which it is not entitled.

[Land Shark]

18. when did he say this?

i know, read the link...

[FogerRox]

19. Essays, emails, LTTE, lets make this a conversation that goes around

the world. SO that if it happens again this Nov. people know what to do.

Orange clothes, banners, flags, signs, cars, trucks, then take to the streets.

as Ben Burch said, occupy DC.