Cathy Diebold-Cox Defeated in GA Dem Gov Primary

[Bill Bored]

Is this on the daily thread or is that all about ChoicePoint?
Well either way this looks like a step in the right direction.
Thanks to the Georgia election integrity activists for helping to make this happen! :toast:

Taylor defeats Cox; readies for Perdue

By James Salzer | Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 12:46 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor on Tuesday finally got what he’s been itching for these past four years: a straight-up political fight with Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue.

Taylor, 49, the self-proclaimed “Big Guy,” defeated Secretary of State Cathy Cox and two minor candidates in the Democratic gubernatorial primary. Cox conceded the race at midnight.

Taylor quickly shifted gears to face Perdue, a well-funded incumbent who has gone from long-shot candidate to leader of the new political power base in Georgia since the 2002 elections.

[saltpoint]

1. I came to appreciate Taylor after reading some DUers' posts on him

and I'm glad he won the nomination.

I hope the big guy goes on to whup Sonny.

[CottonBear]

2. I've met Lt. Gov.Taylor, SoS Cox and Gov. Perdue (twice)

and I am proud that I voted for Taylor for the Democratic nominee for GA Gov.

I met with Cox 3 years ago regarding state licensing board rules. I was a complete supporter of hers up until Diebold 2002. I can't forgive her for that fatal decision. :(

I had a long conversation w/ the Lt. Gov. last fall re: GA Dem. party switching, Diebold and Perdue.
He was very honest and discussed the issues that I brought up. I was impressed.

Perdue is a former Democrat turned into an opportunist, big busines Republican. Screw him. He asked for my vote in 2000 and I told him I'd never vote for a Republican. He told me he was "really a populist." I thought, "Yea, Lester Maddox was a populist." FU Sonny.

[peacetheonlyway]

24. Taylor is a misogynist Son of a

beast
and has a mistress for whom he pays her apartment and health bills

but he is 1000% better than a woman that stole democracy from every georgian in 2002.

it's like having to choose between Darth vader and darth maul...

Anybody willing to bet Cathy Cox becomes a Diebold Lobbyist? making 20K a month?

any takers?????

[Boredtodeath]

3. I think he can beat Sonny

Everyone makes a habit out of underestimating Mark Taylor.

Add that to the anti-incumbent feelings and Taylor's political acumen and you have a winner.

[Stevepol]

5. Why shouldn't he beat Perdue? Barnes trounced him in 02.

Of course Diebold recorded the vote otherwise, but the pre-election polls had Barnes leading by 11% in some polls and there was no poll before the election that had Perdue anywhere near Barnes. 02 was the first election in which Diebold counted all the votes purely in cyberspace. According to Bev Harris and Rob Behner, the machines were patched as many as 8 times (Harris I believe claims 8, Behner says he personally patched the machines once after certification, which is illegal, and that he saw or knew of about 2 or 3 other patches that took place before certification in 02).

Problem isn't the Dems. Problem is Diebold.

[Boredtodeath]

7. Well, yeah, there's that........but.......

Sonny's pretty popular with most republicans except the confederate flag fools.

The only voters which "supposedly" put him in office were school teachers and "angry white males."

This time, the teachers hate him (they haven't had a decent raise in 4 years) and the "angry white males" were betrayed by Perdue when he didn't let them keep their racist flag.

[Cookie wookie]

12. And he especially he might have a chance if we can

get Diebold decertified in Georgia.

Of course that effort has been hurt by the actions of people like those who support the APN article which attacked the very activist group in Georgia, Georgians for Verified Voting, that has been working their fingers to the bone to get Diebold decertified and paper ballots for the 2006 General election. They were getting some traction until they had to deal with all the harm caused them by the article and its vocal self-righteous supporters.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. well now, don't give up

you now have cause to celebrate - Cathy Diebold Cox's defeat.

You guys helped make that happen.

Now, let that achievement energize GA activists again.

Your worst obstacle, but not all of them, is removed.

But until you get your law passed there, you will have
"activists" who will try everything they can to undermine your efforts.

Once your law is passed, they will give up and turn on someone else.

[Cookie wookie]

15. Getting the Vote Count Protection Act passed

(SB591) and/or getting the Board of Elections to decertify Diebold means being able to get the kind of political support that requires. It means not only the ability to get citizen support for those efforts, but also the support of the many players who can help turn things around. If a group's integrity is impugned, or if people fear that association with the group means, there is no doubt that damage to the effort has been done.

The APN article very likely cost votes for candidate Scott Holcomb. If the author had done his homework thoroughly, he would have found out that the "dirty money" spoken of in the article also went to the organization of one of those quoted in the article calling it "dirty money." How does that play out? Well, will other politicians and candidates who might want to help GAVV's efforts may have second thoughts, for fear that they too will be hurt.

No one should think for one minute that smears don't effect a group's ability to act effectively. I could rattle off a dozen ways the group has been hurt immediately in current efforts by the smears. In looking at whether an audit was called for in the SOS race, and looking at who to call on for help with that if it was called for, some options were lost irrevocably, doors were closed that had been open.

I guess those who justify their smears would say that's as it should be. I just wonder whose side they are really on, not to imply they aren't working for verified voting, but maybe their egos are more a driving factor than the issue. If not, more thought would have been given to the collateral damage they might cause by their actions.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. they will attack your group as long as you fight for verified voting

the attacks on your group will continue as long as you
fight to get the law changed.

And it will be by groups that claim the title of "activists".

But I truly believe you will prevail, because you already have made
a dent.

Cathy Cox's defeat is an important signal..

[kster]

25. Very sad statement, Americans have to fight for verified voting?

The fact that we have to fight for verified voting is proof THAT THERE IS NONE.


Thank you.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

26. the fact that we have to fight nullifies our results?

we will always have to fight for democrac

That doesn't mean we don't have it.
Or that we don't have verified voting in states that have
passed verified voting laws.

It is a never ending vigil.

It is not enough to pass a good law, you have to fiercely
defend it.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -
-- Thomas Jefferson

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

27. what is sad is the attacks to undermine the Ga activists

That is what is sad.

Some activists, not even from Georgia, seeking to smear
activists who are busting their behinds, struggling
against a lousy anti paper pro Diebold shill of a Secretary of State,
and then some interlopers come in with a smear job.

That is what is sad, but as I said, I believe that the tide
is turning, and GA activists are gaining momentum.

In spite of outsiders working against them,
the light has been put on Cathy Diebold Cox, and she is on her
way out.

Georgia Activists worked hard to educate and mobilize the public.

So attack away, be sad all you want, but Georgia is on their way out of the
shroud of unverifiable voting, step by step....

[kster]

28. You said it, Georgia has unverifiable voting

Got that Georgia you can not verify whether your vote was counted because you have unverifiable voting. WHY, ask your Democrat and Republican politicians, they should be more than happy to explain how you got there.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. another thing they don't have is Cathy Cox in the future

yep, they dont have verified voting.
and, they don't have Cathy Cox to obstruct them anymore.

They are working their butts of to get that changed.

One of their biggest obstacles was Cathy Cox, who
had tied her career and Georgia's elections to Diebold.

She will not be able to use her clout and political
power any more to protect Diebold.

Now, Georgia has a better chance.

One less obstacle.

[kster]

30. There is no reason to have unverifiable voting

Cathy Cox is a small player, any Democrat or Republican Politician should have known better, so you can keep blaming it on one small player in the game or start getting after the responsible parties, the Dem's and Repugs, that we pay to protect us from this kind of b*llsh*t.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

31. dream on - Secretaries of state are NOT small players

They hold huge sway with lawmakers.

Donetta Davidson used to be Secretary of State of Colorado,
and now is on the EAC.

Linda Lamone, Head of Maryland Elections Administration
has been the biggest influence to keep paperless voting
in Maryland.

She "expert shopped" so that she could get a "consultant"
to tell the state that the paperless Diebold machines
were more secure than paper ballot based optical scans.

She convinced the democratic senators to kill the
verified voting bill that the Governor had even appropriated
the funding to cover.

These people are always consulted by the legislators
when a law is introduced.

And they have a power structure in place.

Lawmakers are very hesitant to go up against someone
who controls the election systems, very.

These folks are taken as the experts by the lawmakers.

If you think that a state's top election official holds
no sway with lawmakers, then dream on.

But anyone in a state with a SOS who is antagonistic towards
verified voting knows better.

[kster]

32. I'm not in opposition of verified voting

I just think that if everyone was doing their job, we shouldn't have to fight for it, it should have been in place already, which leads me to believe that ALL the politicians D & R are corrupt.

[garybeck]

4. Wow, this is great news!

Cox as Governor would have been a tragedy. well, having her as SoS isn't much better I guess.

[Bill Bored]

6. It is great news and she won't be SoS either! So how about nominating?

It's amazing some of the stuff that gets on the front page. This is a major victory for election reform and it gets 3 nominations in 14 hours ? ? ? :wtf: Or more precisely: :banghead:

Recommend the thread!

Don't do it for ME, do it for MAX!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14474-2002Jun19.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2006/04/03/cleland/index_np.html

[pauldp]

8. K&R !!

[Bill Bored]

9. kick! nt

[eppur_se_muova]

10. K&R for the slow unraveling of Liebold -- and a bump up the Greatest page.

[xzyra]

11. kick

:kick:

[kster]

14. So its alright when a Dem wins on the

election theft machine. but when a Republican wins, the machines counted wrong, it can't work one way.

The election theft machines are counting our votes in secret whether it is a Repug or a Dem who won.

[Cookie wookie]

16. Actually this was the primary.

That means that voters could only choose a democratic ticket or a republican ticket to vote on. This wasn't a contest between republicans and democrats. A democrat was going to win in the democratic primary, machines or no machines, unless the machines counted no votes at all.

[kster]

17. How was the contest COUNTED between

the two Democrats?

[Cookie wookie]

18. I was replying to what was said in your post. n/t

[kster]

20. Gotcha, the point is, while the "make believe government"

allows these secret vote counting machines to be used, D or R the election is bogus (period)

[Cookie wookie]

19. We've checked polling data and other things

that were in play with the election for both the Dem and Repub tickets and have found no anomalies that can't be reasonably explained in the results.

Not sure where you were going with the post, but don't think anyone celebrating the downfall of Cathy Cox and knows much about our election system in GA, thinks that we don't still need to get rid of the paperless evoting system.

[kster]

22. Why be a part of the "greatest show on eatrth"

brought to you by Diebold ES&S and Seqouia, With the Ring Masters the Democrat and Republican politicians.

[ebayfool]

21. Up!

Kicking up ... & rec'ed.
That's great news, progress on parade!

Feels good when you get the thorn out, doesn't it?!