Kerry speaking on Senate floor regarding lack of machines in Ohio in 2004!

[kster]

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On C-Span2. The Voting Rights Act renewal is being debated.

posted by: flpoljunkie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1684823

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. Yawn....

Thanks for the tip John.

[postulater]

2. So he just found that out?

[Mass]

5. No he has been speaking about that and other things for 2 years now.

Some people prefer to rant and sleep.

[unda cova brutha]

3. why didn't he speak up in 2004 about the lack of machines?

[politicasista]

19. Why didn't the entire Democratic Party speak up in 2004 about this?

That's what we all should be asking.

[roseBudd]

21. Because elections are administered by the states and the county level

It would have been literally "none of your beeswax"

Kerry also could not seize the evidence on Nov. 3. He had no jurisdiction. He couldn't even examine the evidence. Couldn't compell witnesses to testify.

[Der Blaue Engel]

4. Still has our backs

:thumbsup:

[peace13]

7. Unfortunately he should be out front and we should have his back.

He should have counted the votes in Ohio like he promised! Peace, Kim

[kster]

10. If Kerry moves forward now

I'll forgive him, for not allowing himself to get Gored in Ohio.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. and if he had kept his promise

it would have helped us correct the problem sooner.

But, he conceded, even though John Edwards wanted to fight
for our votes.

That is what I liked about Edwards, he would have
done everything he could to honor our votes.

Thats what we are missing right now, is someone
who will go to bat for us on this.

[blm]

18. Edwards didn't have the legal evidence to continue any more than Kerry did

And if he did have the evidence to continue why didn't he use it?

There was no way to get ANYTHING that could be used in court to continue - they needed a WHISTLEBLOWER.

Blame the DNC for not securing the machines beforehand - instead, people waste their time attacking the candidate who was hurt along with the voters - hurt by a collapsed Dem infrastructure that allowed the GOPs to suppress Dem voters and cheat Dem candidates for FOUR YEARS and go completely uncountered.

[MH1]

20. So....can't Edwards do anything?

Why isn't he out there making a big deal of this himself? If it's such a problem for people that Kerry isn't doing it, why is Edwards off the hook?

And don't say anything about Edwards not being able to act because of Kerry....how could Kerry stop Edwards from speaking out on Election Reform, if he chose to?

[kster]

8. I'm hoping its because we have his back,

there are millions of us now that know and understand how these election theft machines work, the time is now for Kerry to move forward on these machines.

[EFerrari]

6. You're a better person than I am, kster. I can't watch Congress

much any more. It's good to hear this, though.

[hughee99]

9. I thought the problem was

the voting machines themselves? If the voting machines themselves are the problem, why would having more of them help?

[kster]

11. The biggest problem is the politicians REMAINING SILENT

about the election theft machines.

[BeFree]

12. What Kerry said about that

Kerry said that in some places a lack of voting machines kept many from voting. That's what the "more machines" means. It would have helped more people vote in 2004 - in Ohio - in heavy dem districts.

[hughee99]

13. If more people voted

on machines that were stealing the votes, then it wouldn't have done anything for voter rights... I'm not really mad at Kerry here, but as I see it, the root cause is the machines themselves, not the number of them.

[BeFree]

14. You are so right, hughee

It is the machines. I get the feeling Kerry has finally figured out what you already knew.

[L. Coyote]

15. RE: "It is the machines"

NO, it's the people. The machines are just machines, doing what people designed them to do, albeit not equally.

Were the machines known to perform poorly all assigned to 95% Kerry precincts (minority neighborhoods) in Cuyahoga County? If so, blame the people, not the machines.

Did the machines decide to go to Republican precincts in greater numbers. No, a human being made that decision. Who was that person?

Additionally, think in terms of complexity, not simple answers. The complexity of the situation allowed for shaving points in myriad ways. Ask the pros who get paid to fix foreign elections. It is a complicated task. Oh, and where were those guys in 2004? Not in Iraq or Mexico!!

[BeFree]

16. You do have a point

...and it's a good one. It takes people to program the machines, it takes people to like them, and it takes people to vote on them, wait, scratch that last one... just one programmer is all it takes to cast votes.

I saw your Cuyahooga(sp?) county post and I admire your effort. But from where I sit, the machines are the problem overall... and it has to do with the fact that it takes so few people to change/cast millions of votes with machines.

We all heard about the touch Kerry, and presto: bushco. The huge numbers of dems supposedly voting for bushco. The very odd numbers that came out of the recent Ohio ballot measures. So don't tell me that the machines are not a problem.

The problem is there is no paper trail or no review of the source code. That is not a problem with all paper.