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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:00 PM
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Are any updates available on the McKinney situation?
I know your post will be freeped, but if you know anything about what's happening, please post it.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:17 PM
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1. What's to know. She lost her seat last night.
The margin was large enough that there is no hope for her.

I wish she had won, but I also wished that she hadn't acted like an asshole with that Capital policeman. I won't say that she deserved to lose for that incident, but that's precisely why she lost.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:31 PM
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2. Still there were anomalies galore in BOTH primary & runoff...
....Diebolded again???

:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:13 PM
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3. I'd be interested to hear new info as well, freeping or no. n/t
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:20 PM
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4. There were exit polls in CT. Why no exit polls in GA? Diebolded too?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:34 PM
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9. maybe exit polls only work with Lever Machines
like Connecticut uses.
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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:06 AM
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11. IN 2004, the biggest exit poll discrepancies
were in precincts/states using lever machines.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:37 PM
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10. Connecticut used levers
They ditched the plan to use new voting machines for now, there just wasn't enough time to do
it right. Thankfully.


State scraps new voting machines
(Hartford-WTNH, Jan. 4, 2006 ) _
There likely will not be a high-tech voting machine in your future this year.
After announcing late last year that Connecticut's 3,300 mechanical, lever-style voting machines could no longer be used,
the secretary of the state reversed herself. It's all about a big foul-up by companies bidding for Connecticut's business.
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=4317492


There probably will be 1 vote-by-phone system for disabled voters only- in each polling place for
November. It is likely that the rest of the voters may be using levers.


(Hartford-AP, July 31, 2006 Challenger accuses Bysiewicz of bungling voting machine contract

Democratic Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz is strongly denying allegations by her Republican
opponent that she mishandled a plan to buy special voting machines for disabled people....

Bysiewicz says I-V-S is the only firm to meet the state's specifications, but negotiations are ongoing. She says the I-V-S machines can be used by voters with various types of disabilities.

The new voting devices are expected to be in polling places for November's general election.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5221537

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:26 AM
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13. exit polls aren't 'ordinary' in House races
nor even in Senate primaries. The pattern has been to run nationwide exits in federal general elections (every two years) and presidential primaries. The Connecticut exit poll was run by CBS/New York Times, not a consortium as with the national exits. Apparently no one in GA wanted to pay for an exit poll there.

Even in the federal general elections, people aren't necessarily asked whom they voted for in the House. (They weren't in 2004, although I think they may have been in some past exit polls.) The networks would have to throw piles of money into getting meaningful results from every district, and of course most aren't even competitive. Even choosing 20 would be a pretty massive proposition for dubious payoff.

FWIW the Georgia outcome seems consistent with every preelection poll I saw. I think McKinney trailed by double-digits in every single one.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:04 PM
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5. If Diebold rigged this election, they did us a favor
The woman is a loon.
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:00 PM
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7. Rigged elections no favor to me
I don't know who us is
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:23 PM
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8. Liberal-progressives
Sorry, as much as I distrust Diebold, McKinney lost this one herself.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:50 AM
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12. Well, if she uses the loss to go after invisible voting--
--she could do us a lot of good. As a winner in 2004, she had no such motivation, and the results were no more trustworthy then.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:42 AM
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14. that's a fair point, but
I really hate the "optics" of having McKinney of all people go after invisible voting, having lost by double-digits a race that she was expected to lose by double-digits. Even if her message is laser-focused, it will be hard for people to see it as such. (That's an awfully strange series of metaphors, but at least I kept it visual.)

Donzella James may have a better chance at it, if only because she hasn't made as many enemies.

That said, hey, we will see what happens next.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:05 AM
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17. Trouble is, she has almost zero credibility
I don't think she lost because of Diebold, she lost because she is borderline.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:52 AM
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15. So you don't have problems with rigged elections, as long as you
approve of the outcome? Showing your true colors. Now who is a loon?

As for me I want the vote to reflect the will of the voters with NO outside influence.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:52 AM
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16. It is called ironic humor
Jeebus people on this board need to get a grip.

There was no outside influence. McKinney lost because she is a loon. It doesn't do us any good to have a liberal who will challange Bush if she also halls off on cops, has a tendency toward "Mel Gibson" statements about Jews, and has an imperious attitude toward the press.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:34 AM
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18. Maybe McKinney
had a pre planned "Ion Sancho" "Harri Hursti" type attack, waiting in the wings, for these secret vote counting machines. Maybe she is gathering the evidence as we speak. One can hope.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:06 PM
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6. My hopes is that we
haven't heard the last of Mckinney.
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