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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:09 PM
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Zogby Results Published; Eureka T-S Reports Without Verifying, Again
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 12:24 PM by Skinner
http://wedonotconsent.blogspot.com/2006/08/zogby-results-published-eureka-times.html

Zogby Results Published; Eureka Times-Standard Reports Without Verifying, Again

As previously reported here at We Do Not Consent, internationally recognized opinion polling company Zogby was commissioned by election protection attorney Paul Lehto to gauge views on election conditions in America. Zogby was originally scheduled to release the survey results yesterday but has finally done so within the past few minutes:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1163

Released: August 23, 2006

Americans Concerned About Election Transparency and Security

New poll shows more than 60% have heard news reports of flaws in new electronic voting equipment

A majority of Americans – 61% – are aware of news reports of flaws in electronic voting machines and want members of the general public to be able to watch votes be counted following an election, a new Zogby International poll shows.

The telephone survey of 1,018 likely voters was conducted Aug. 11–15, 2006. It carries a margin of error of +/– 3.1 percentage points.

Asked whether Americans have the right to view and obtain information about how elections officials count votes, 92% of respondents concurred

“The 92% support for the public’s right to view vote counting and obtain information about it is a very strong political value of transparency and against secret vote counting outside the observation of the public,” said Paul Lehto, a lawyer and sponsor of the survey. “To put this figure in context, support for election transparency exceeds the support for tax cuts, exceeds the approval of Pres. Bush immediately after 9-11, and virtually all other political values being measured.” Mr. Lehto is counsel in the 50th Congressional District election contest in California.

Most of those surveyed – 80% – said they want votes to be counted in front of observers representing the public, and that elections officials should not rely solely on the proprietary software that operates electronic voting machines that are presently being installed all over the United States. In some models, the electronic machines tabulate votes cast on that machine and saves them to a computer memory card. Results from those cards are then added together to obtain results of an election.

For a complete methodological statement on this poll, please go to:

http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1134

(8/23/2006)

Zogby did not exactly go with the same lede that we might have hoped for but this is still a huge story with enormous implications and it can be cited with the utmost of credibility.

Now, for some irony. As is well documented here at WDNC and elsewhere, I've been working to keep the media from reporting what they can't prove and haven't independently verified. On Monday, the Voter Confidence Committee issued a press release announcing the impending Zogby release on Tuesday. But because the Eureka Times-Standard simply excerpted the VCC press release, today they published (http://tinyurl.com/g7uka">archive) our inadvertent and unintentional error about the Zogby release date.

If the T-S had verified the information we provided, this wouldn't have happened. That was as simple as asking me to provide the official numbers, or just looking on the Zogby website. Although I did not do anything wrong or misleading here, and there really is no harm and no foul, the T-S should have waited until tomorrow to run the story so they could confirm what the VCC said in the press release. It cannot pass without comment that the Times-Standard is as willing to take my word about an upcoming multi-national corporate announcement as it is to print unverified election results provided by the very government whose control of power is at stake by these results. Add another topic to the list for the media accountability forums.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:25 PM
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1. Did anyone make Lou Dobbs aware, yet?
So, he may report it on his show today...
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:27 PM
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2. My understanding is...
Land Shark has said that Zogby press releases go out to 35,000 worldwide media contacts.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:31 PM
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3. it won't hurt for some folks to get multiple copies, please send on....
I do not have a copy of Zogby's 35,000 so I can't say for sure that Lou Dobbs is on it, but i'd guess he is.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:35 PM
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4. Certainly the more the better
I didn't mean to promote diffusion of responsibility - the phenomenon that occurs when we think someone else will take care of something we might otherwise do. Let's all blast this far and wide.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:38 AM
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5. Thanks Guv, now's the time, but this should not be 15 min for a poll
it is something that can and should be cited again and again.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 04:06 AM
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6. A good way to increase the odds of Dobbs coverage...
...would be if anyone here has a record of his older "QuickVote" polls. IIRC he asked a similar question with about the same results a while back. If he can compare his online poll with the Zogby poll as an ego stroke, that might make them more likely to run it as something other than a side-comment, and doing the legwork of making that association for them moreso.

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:39 PM
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8. a good idea, everyone can suggest story ideas
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 08:05 PM
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10. Great thinking. "Following up on our earlier report..."
I can hear him saying it.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:23 PM
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7. My LTTE re: Zogby coverage
Dear Editor:

Thank you for publishing (8/23) the Voter Confidence Committee (VCC) press release regarding Zogby's survey on election conditions. The study found 92% of Americans believe the public has a right to know and view how votes are counted in our elections. This super-majority exceeds approval ratings for any Senator, Governor or President since WWII; it is higher than the 87% who think oil companies are gouging consumers; and it makes transparency in elections even more popular than Mr. Bush following 9/11. No issue is more politically safe for our County Supervisors to address. Let's publicly hand count the paper ballots and get rid of Diebold's secret vote counting machines.

The community should also know something about how the survey results became public. The VCC press release was sent Monday as a tip about Zogby’s expected announcement on Tuesday. But Zogby delayed until Wednesday, the same day you ran the story. Your story erroneously said the results had already been released on Tuesday. Had the Times-Standard verified our press release, either by requesting the survey data from us or by visiting the Zogby website, likely you would have delayed the story another day and avoided publishing the mistake. This reflects on your credibility. The Times-Standard took our word about an upcoming multi-national corporate announcement. You also print unverified election results provided by the very government whose control of power hinges on these results. The lesson is the same: don't report what you can't prove and haven't independently verified.

Dave Berman
Eureka, CA
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:44 PM
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9. Multiple layers of fabulous tie-ins from this one poll!
Excellent LTTE.
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