What is the Probability of fraud in this Election?

[BeFree]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how probable is it that massive fraud will be found in this election?

1 being little to no chance... 10 being we catch them with their hands in the ballot box.

[lvx35]

1. Well the probability of Fraud is 100%, but as far as people knowing...

its another question. I voted 4.

[rucky]

2. We just suspended habeus corpus and nobody blinked

so what's a little fraud?

:shrug:

[YDogg]

3. I voted 9. I think it's damned likely.

But Faux and ABC will turn the other way.

[Peace Patriot]

4. You don't provide my category. Probability of fraud 10, on a scale of 1

to 10. Probability of ABC News, Faux News or even the NYT noticing: 1%. I'll give 'em that, for bothering about a Bushite child molestation scandal. (Christ, what does it take?!). On the other hand, given what they have ignored--for instance, the end of the Republic, with the suspension of habeas corpus and the Diebold Congress' endorsement of that and torture, or the beginning of the end of the Republic, with the "unitary executive" signing statements, and the takeover of our election system by Bushite corporations--who are "counting" all the votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--and a few other things--I think I have to lower the probability of their noticing election fraud, or caring a crap, to about .01%.

The problem is they know. They know that they did on Nov. 2, 2004. And if you don't know it, visit www.TruthIsAll.net, and find out. So it really isn't a matter of they "might" notice. They do more than not notice. It's a matter of direct complicity and then spinning illusions. That's actually what scares me--and enrages me--more than election fraud itself. The illusion of a legitimate government that makes the great American progressive majority feel so powerless and demoralized, and outnumbered. The majority feels outnumbered.

When torture becomes the line in the sand between the minority right and majority left, and torture is not only perpetrated, and is not only proposed as legal, and then wins, the thing we see in the mirror--our faces--becomes hideous, and beyond anything recognizable as progressive, democratic, or even civil. We're not even civil any more. WE. We may reel at being included in "we." But that's what ABC, Faux News, the NYT and all the rest of them have done to us. We cringe at the insult, unable to reply. We, the people. Degraded beyond belief. We, the tortured. We who are revolted at what we see, and have to stomach it time and again, and have no power to defeat, or reform, this hideous thing that America has become. The people who have done this to us control the voting machines, and the war profiteering corporate news monopolies cover that up, so that it is only by word of mouth that people know.

Really, I think the only thing we can do right now is to BOYCOTT THESE VOTING MACHINES--by voting with an Absentee Ballot--and make this protest so big that it forces LOCAL election officials to throw these insecure and extremely insider hackable voting machines out, or resign. We don't have much time. We have to do it now. Nobody's going to do it for us. We, the people.

[BeFree]

5. I agree n/t

[kster]

6. Can't vote in this poll, But, put yourself in the Neocons

place, if they lose, they are f*ck*d, If they rig the machines, and their Lapdog media, is able to convince the majority of people that just voted them out, that everything was on the up and up, Then I have to go with the Neocons trying to Rig it, because, lose I am definitely F*ck*d, win I have a 50/50 chance of not being f*ck*d.

I think they will rig the machine at all cost, in the hopes that the People will just sit back and believe the media. Once again.

If I where in their shoes I'd take the gamble and rig the machines........

[BeFree]

8. Indeed

What have they to lose? Look what they did in Ohio last year --flipping the votes from 60-40 t0 40-60, and none of the m$m wondered how or why.

[Febble]

7. OK first rule for polls

make the question clear!

I'll take them separately.

Probability of fraud? My prior is high (over 50%)

Probability of massive fraud? My prior is low (maybe 2%)

Probability that massive fraud will be found? That's a tricky one. Because if massive fraud occurred in 2004, it was not found in the data. So if there is massive fraud, I put the probability that it will not be found as high.

Although that's one of the reasons I think it is improbable.

But if criminal fraud occurs, on whatever scale, I hope it will be found.