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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 07:43 PM
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TIA: For what it's worth, something is happening here

For What It's Worth: Comparing the 2004 and 2006 National Exit Polls

http://forwhatitsworth.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Something is happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear

The lines are growing quite long
People just want to go home

The machines have a pattern in here
What it means is you've got to beware

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your lives it did creep

You better stop, hey, look around
Everybody look what's going down

Why won't they just count our votes?
They reflect all of our hopes

They say the machines work just fine
But they still lose OUR votes most of the time

You better stop,
Hey, what's that sound?
All those votes are going down
________________________________________________________

Let's compare the 2004 and 2006 exit polls

2004 National Exit Poll Summary
........... Dem Rep Other Margin Comment
12:22am..51.4 46.8 0.6 4.6 preliminary (13047 respondents)
Final.......47.6 51.2 1.2 -4.6 final (13660 respondents)
Adjusted.52.3 46.8 0.9 5.7 adjusted to 2004 NEP (12:22am)

2006 National Exit Poll Summary
............Dem Rep Other Margin Comment
7pm.......54.6 43.1 2.3 11.5 preliminary (13028 respondents)
Final.......52.2 45.9 1.9 6.3 final (13051 respondents)
Adj.........56.1 42.4 1.5 13.7 adjusted to 2004 NEP (12:22am)

Notice a pattern here?
1) The NEP right after the polls close show a solid Democratic win.
2) The next day Final NEP cuts their vote share by 3-4%.
3) Adjusting NEP weightings shows it was really a landslide.



2004 NEP
--------
2004 preliminary NEP weights (39 Gore /41 Bush)
were radically changed in the Final to 37 Gore/41 Bush.
The number of respondents changed from 13047 to 13660, a 613 increase.

The Preliminary NEP had Kerry the winner: 51.4-46.8%.
(the Gore/Bush 39/41% weights were mathematically impossible)

The Final NEP matched to the vote and had Bush the winner: 51.2-47.6%
(the Gore/Bush 37/43% weights were mathematically impossible)

The 12:22am adjusted NEP had Kerry the winner: 52.3-46.8%
(the Gore/Bush 39/41% weights were adjusted to a plausible 40.2/39.8)


2004 National Exit Poll Summary

........... Dem Rep Other Margin Comment
12:22am..51.4 46.8 0.6 4.6 preliminary (13047 respondents)
Final.......47.6 51.2 1.2 -4.6 final (13660 respondents)
Adjusted.52.3 46.8 0.9 5.7 adjusted to 2004 NEP (12:22am)


Preliminary NEP: 11/02, 12:22am
How Voted in 2000 (not reported)
......Mix Kerry Bush Other
DNV 17% 57% 41% 2%
Gore 39% 91% 9% 0
Bush 41% 10% 90% 0
Other 3% 71% 21% 8%

Total 100% 51.4% 46.8% 0.6%

Final NEP: 11/02, 2:04 pm
How Voted in 2000
......Mix Kerry Bush Other
DNV 17% 54% 45% 1%
Gore 37% 90% 9% 1%
Bush 43% 7% 92% 1%
Nader 3% 71% 21% 8%

Total 100% 47.6% 51.2% 1.2%


Preliminary NEP: 11/02, 12:22am
Adjusted to plausible weights
.......Mix Kerry Bush Other
DNV 17.7% 57% 41% 2%
Gore 40.2% 91% 8% 1% Gore had 51mm votes
Bush 39.8% 10% 90% 0% Bush had 50.46mm votes
Nader 2.3% 71% 21% 8%

Total 100% 52.3% 46.8% 0.9%


____________________________________________

2006 NEP
--------

The 7pm NEP weights (45 Kerry /46 Bush) were radically changed in the Final to 43 Kerry/49 Bush. The number of respondents only changed from 13028 to 13251.

2006 National Exit Poll Summary
.......Dem Rep Other Margin Comment
7pm... 54.6 43.1 2.3 11.5 preliminary (13028 respondents)
Final..52.2 45.9 1.9 6.3 final (13051 respondents)
Adj....56.1 42.4 1.5 13.7 adjusted to 2004 NEP (12:22am)

When adjusted to the preliminary 2004 results (Kerry 51.4-46.8)
the Democrats win by 56.1-42.4, a 13.7% margin.
This EXACTLY matched the Generic pre-election projection.


PRELIMINARY CNN 2006 NATIONAL GENERIC EXIT POLL
11/07: 7pm
13208 respondents
MOE: 0.87%

VOTED IN 2004
------------

......Mix Dem GOP Other
Kerry 45% 94% 5% 1%
Bush 46% 13% 85% 2%
Other 5% 62% 21% 17%
DNV 4% 79% 18% 3%

Total 100% 54.6% 43.1% 2.3%


FINAL CNN 2006 NATIONAL GENERIC EXIT POLL
(unrealistic weights)
11/08: 1pm
13251 respondents
.......Mix Dem Rep Other
Kerry 43% 92% 7% 1%
Bush 49% 15% 83% 2%
Other 4% 66% 23% 11%
DNV 4% 66% 32% 2%

Total 100% 52.2% 45.9% 1.9%


FINAL CNN 2006 NATIONAL GENERIC EXIT POLL
(Weights adjusted to match the 12:22am 2004 NEP)

.......Mix Dem Rep Other
Kerry 50% 92% 7% 1% Gore won the 12:22am NEP 51.4-46.8%
Bush 45% 15% 83% 2%
Other 1% 66% 23% 11% The third party vote was 1%
DNV 4% 66% 32% 2%

Total 100% 56.1% 42.4% 1.6%
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 07:51 PM
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1. Stop! Hey! What's that sound?
Everybody knows what's going down!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:09 PM
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7. there's battle lines being drawn...
nobody's right if everybody's wrong

young people speaking their minds, getting so much resistance far behind...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:26 PM
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2. Paranoia strikes deep...into your republic it creeps...
You better stop, hey what's that sound; everybody knows what's going down.


(I sure loves me some cultural evolution.)
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:10 PM
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8. it starts when you're always afraid...
step out of line the man come and take you away...

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:34 PM
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3. The daily deluge continues
Oh, well...
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:18 PM
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9. and it's a hard... it's a hard... n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:43 PM
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4. Dylan, too.
You KNOW something is HAPPENING here...
But you don't know what it i-i-is...

DO you...Mister/Missus/Ms. __________ (fill in the blank)!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:47 PM
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5. indeed we have to simply get our heads, hands & arms all the way...
back around this 'voting thing' http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1130-03.htm we're smart people, we can do this thing :hi:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:57 PM
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6. We have to.
:hi:
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:53 PM
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10. People get ready; there's a train a coming! k&r hcpb's now!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:08 PM
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11. "C'mon Everybody!"
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:40 AM
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12. K&R
Thank you, TIA and mom cat.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:53 AM
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13. Thank you for all you have done to
bring awareness of the voting discrepancies to us all.

That video was very moving. For as many times as I heard that song, I don't think I ever really heard those lyrics that way before.

K & R
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