Karl Rove on "vote flipping".

[bleever]

Of all the forms of election fraud, vote flipping is arguably the most powerful because it's a two-fer: your opponent not only loses a vote, but you gain one at the same time. And because it's done electronically, it is less visible and harder to enforce against than disenfranchising people with long lines, caging lists, provisional ballots, and the like.

So it really caught my interest to hear Richard Viguerie, the so-called Godfather of the conservative movement (he pioneered direct-mail and other techniques that culminated in the election of Ronald Reagan), on the Ed Schultz Show. He was commenting on something that Karl Rove had said:

“Karl the other night said that a switch of 77,000 votes would have kept the House and a switch of 3000 votes would have kept the Senate.”

People usually talk about winning elections in terms of motivating voters and getting them to turn out at the polls. Given the recent history of elections in this country, I think Karl let on a little more than he intended.

Here's Karl doing everything he can on election night 2004:

[wakeme2008]

1. IMHO votes WERE Flipped but Karl picked the wrong percentage

:rofl:

[Kip Humphrey]

6. Seems "the math" underestimated "the reality"

[EFerrari]

20. No kidding. A hazard for EST graduates and BushCo.

[katsy]

10. Of course...

what do you expect from an administration that hates that "fuzzy math"

[liberalla]

15. I'm in total agreement. They were stealing votes,

...but they just didn't steal ENOUGH of them.

Rove claimed he had "THE math", but he also had a miscalculation with his math!



This is why Election Reform is so important to do NOW and not later. I think that next time they will include further 'adjustments' (vote flipping) in their math to prevent this (Dems winning) from happening again. Plus, whatever new tricks and scams they can come up with.

I mean, they're just not going to start playing fair all of a sudden, ya know?

[jgraz]

2. Of course that fat little fuck was switching votes

I'm betting Ed said NOTHING to follow up on that statement.

[texpatriot2004]

3. Very interesting slip of the tongue eh nm

[Fridays Child]

4. Did Ed ask him what he thought Karl meant by "switch?"

[lakeguy]

8. of course he didn't...

i remember when he had a caller claim that 30% of the social security budget was wasted on administrative fees and that privatizing it would make it cheaper. in fact, admin fees for SS are less than 1% while bush's own estimates for privatization admin costs were around 12-15%. good ol ed just said, "well, i didn't know that!" i waited through the rest of the show and he never corrected that HUGE lie.

sorry for the OT rant/

[bleever]

11. He didn't, but

it went by pretty fast in a conversation about how the * administration has betrayed true conservatives, and I think my fraud-dar has remained extra-sensitive despite the passage of time.

[marmar]

5. Evil, twisted, devious, meglamaniacal bastard....

Every dog will have his day.

[philb]

7. Touch Screen Vote Switching in many races in many states in 2006- summary

Summary by state in:

www.flcv.com/eirstss6.html

[bleever]

9. Based on my knowledge of statistics, I calculate the odds

of machines preferring Republicans over Democrats to be

Zero.

Machines don't have preferences. But their programmers and designers might.

Thanks for the excellent data link. :thumbsup:

[truedelphi]

22. I think Alameda County California was left out of the mix

BUt WHAT A GREAT SITE!

[Bluestar]

12. He is never well-informed

Several times he has made false statements and no one corrects him. Doesn't he have any research people? He is the most ill-informed talk show host around.

[nicknameless]

13. Schultz, or "Foghorn Leghorn", as he is known to cringing audiences,

is almost worthless on progressive radio. He doesn't do his homework and can be easily bamboozled by reich-wing callers.
And too often it seems he'd much prefer to be prattling on about huntin' and fishin' and sports.

But to let a slip like THAT go by. Argh!!! I wonder what Randi Rhodes would have done with that kind of admission.
She probably would have had it assigned to a button on her sound board before the next break.

:nuke:

[autorank]

14. Well "switching" is what its all about isn't it?

These guys knew how to plan, they still do, but somebody pulled the franchise, failed to authorize the operation, ran aground of an angry "management." Rove should keep quiet. The Bush can is fighting desperately to simply maintain it's place at the table. Poppy got W $60 million in a month or so before 2000 to run in the primaries. That emptied the room of donors for the others. Now we're looking at pay back time. The folks who forked over $60 million and much more are now saying, have been for a while, knock it off.

As a result, "switching" had little "sway" with the Republicans. It was all free lance this itme.

Why?

Because its their nature.

I'll see your Rove and raise you a caption.



:hi:

[FogerRox]

16. Rove should be worried about '08

There is a new Sheriff in town, his name is HOWARD DEAN.

[Raster]

18. Someday, somehow, kkkarl rove will get his comeuppance.

I hope it is brutal and barbaric. Just what kkkarl deserves.

[Morgana LaFey]

17. k&r -- important piece of info, I think.

[EFerrari]

19. Was Major @sshole a character in MASH or Catch-22?

Anyway, great catch. :mad:

[garybeck]

21. Olbermann on Rove and vote flipping:

video here:

http://www.solarbus.org/blog/index.shtml#061030.rovemath