Charlie Rose does vote fraud, etc, on PBS tonight

[TacticalPeek]

Congressman Nadler is a guest.

Just a heads up.

[KoKo]

1. Please post if it was any good...I gave up on Rose and I can't watch

tonight, but it might be very telling for there being any truth to Kerry hanging back on this, but supporting..

[TacticalPeek]

2. Perhaps I should say 'VOTING IRREGULARITIES'.

Also JOHN SCHWARTZ, The New York Times is a guest.

http://www.charlierose.com/

[krkaufman]

8. Or combining yours w/ the next... "election irregulaties"

... or maybe "Electile Dysfunction." (I'm thinking this last label might get it more news coverage.)

[shelley806]

15. That is funny! Try Voteagra for your electile dysfunction! lol n/t

[krkaufman]

20. Ha! Too funny. I hadn't made the leap back to the earlier "Voteagra"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=40253#43061

Brilliant minds thinking alike.

[savetheuniverse]

11. voting irregularities -- DU press release

they can get a lot of spin out of the "conspiracy theory" charge and it is fueled by the word "fraud"; better to speak in terms of "voting irregularities" (when I'm talking to people, I just say there have been over 30,000 incidents of "irregularities" and that's why an investigation needs to be conducted.; again, we are not trying to OVERTURN the election, we just think it merits INVESTIGATION). Let's call it "reaching across the aisle" and save the F word for Kerry's "coming out" party!

The "internet conspiracy" shit is too easy for them to spin--I think it needs to be nipped in the bud

[savetheuniverse]

12. oops

I meant to suggest that DU actually write and distribute a press release clarifying that the campaign is not restricted to bloggers and internet conspiracy theorists.

[JohnnyCougar]

19. I've been trying to nip that in the bud for days now

but all I get is belligerent responses and "traitor!" accusations. It's mostly from the same cantankerous bunch every time, though. I have since leaned to use the ignore feature.

"Irregularities" is the right word! And welcome to DU, catastrophicsuccess!! Cheers! :toast:

[On the Road]

24. I Have Had the Same Experience

and couldn't agree more. Language is very important. Questionable arguments and unsupported claims only weaken the case and make it more difficult for legitimate irregularities to get an ear.

We already know that people from the Washington Post have come right here to DU, looked at the claims, and dismissed them.

Theses are irregularities that need to be investigated, not conclusive evidence of fraud. It needs time, data, and resources to develop.

[Pirate Smile]

23. I agree completely. We know and everyone agrees that there are

voting irregularities. We are missing many critical links and evidence before you can use the fraud word. We damage our credibility when we just jump over some of the missing steps.

Stick with what has already been established and use it to demand an audit and recount to figure out why these are happening and try to fix it.

Don't make it so easy to be discredited - they throw out the valid along with the questionable when they mix it all together as "conspiracy theories".

[VivaKerry]

3. I swear, maybe it's me, but the term VOTE FRAUD

or Voter Fraud makes my skin crawl. It's ELECTION FRAUD. Think of the moron who doesn't get much nutrition. He won't distinguish between VOTE and VOTER. This is about election fraud perpetrated and/or allowed by OUR govt. Election Fraud.

Thank I needed to say that. :-)

Charlie Rose? Oh I can imagine how he will put vote fraud to bed.... I can't take the man.

[Carl Brennan]

21. Good point. I never liked the term much either. nt

[ClarkinMich]

4. Call me a newbie

and ignorant of PBS... never watch it.

I saw this show out of chance... and posted in another thread... thought it was a local show... guess I was wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36208&mesg_id=46679

Interesting - not positive or negative

[autorank]

7. Welcome to DU. PBS and NPR are pseudo granola eating

liberal (as opposed to real granola eating liberal) welfare queens. They are the great mini whores. Secret messages are broadcast to unsuspecting liberals like "Kerry really did lose the election"..."Bush is not the anti-Christ". This accounts for some of what you will read in the upcoming days.

Avoid listening to/viewing these outlets. They are vile. If you or your friends donate, cease and desist. They need to get the message and soon.

Again, welcome to DU.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[shelley806]

16. Well, if PBS and NPR are "vile" then all that's left is pablum or

outright lies...I just don't buy this paranoid notion that all of media is vile and evil, and somehow trying to program innocent minds. It goes way overboard. (But since the election, I've been avoiding CNN, which I thought was liberal, and the only thing I can tolerate now is Keith Olbermann. a BIG change for me!)

[autorank]

22. NPR and PBS are "vile" because they know better yet they...

hold back. I didn't say that they are "evil" which is an entirely different level of behavior. They happily built their reputations as 'honest brokers' of the news and popular culture and are now doing their dance of supplication for the * folks. In my opinion, that is vile. At the very least they do not deserve one dollar of our support either through direct donations or federal subsidies. They are welfare queens.

[anamandujano]

5. just saw it

Nadler was good in making the case for a paper trail FOR NEXT TIME.

They read internet names Common Dreams, Black Box Voting.org and used the term "rampant rumours" or the like, thus rendering them null and void (for their viewing public).

Rose also read a statement from a top Dem official reinforcing the view that Bush won and all else is irrational and speculative. Dems are "mad voters" because we lost.

They never mentioned that republicans own the voting machines. The NYT guy said "we make mistakes". ha! He gave the reason that republicans held out for no paper trail leading into this election was the $60 cost of a printer and possible paper jams on election day. Pretty sad show.

[Stephanie]

6. I'll say it again: look at those people waiting in line 10 HOURS to vote!

They want to tell us that nobody was screwing with this election? And if they would do that, what else would they do? We saw it with our own eyes! It was UNPRECEDENTED.

I am proud to say that Jerry Nadler is MY Congressman.

[aquart]

10. Mine, too!

[John Q. Citizen]

17. Also known as the 10 hour poll tax n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

18. It's the Ol' Right-wing "Shoot the Messenger" Tactic...

...discredit the messenger(s) {i.e. blackboxvoting.org, Common Dreams, "leftie" sites} and kill the message. Divide, and conquer.
It worked on Kerry's "Band of Brothers" through Swift Boat Liars, and successfully did the same to Dan Rather; blurring the message and confusing less focussed folk (most Americans).
Judy Woodruff did the same.
What liberal media bias again?

[GuardingVirginia]

9. fine... we'll take it.

They'll see the show and drift over to our web sites to make light of us.... and then... there'll be an 'oh my'.... a few 'wow's and next thing you know they have 69 posts at DU. :-)

[googly]

13. do not forget...the deadline is fast approaching

when the elctoral college will certify the election,
I think on dec 13, 2004. It will be difficult if ot
impossible to turn this election around after that.

[GuardingVirginia]

14. We need the contact info for the electors

Is that something that would help?