Move on or Forget It???? Not Me!

[demodonkey]

A few of you guys on here are sounding like all is lost if the recounts and audits do not turn this election over in John Kerry's favor.

Please DO NOT lose heart regardless of WHO ends up getting inaugurated. Keep focused -- and keep working on this issue.

This is about far more than who "won" the election of 2004. This is about the most basic right we have in our democracy -- the right to a fair, honest VOTE giving every citizen their voice in our democracy. People died to give us this right to vote, and to me it is sacred.

And it's not just about the machine fraud "stealing" votes. The 2004 vote was suppressed in many places; people were actually kept from casting a real ballot, and some of the methods used to stop them date back to the racist Civil War era. Doesn't that just make you become outraged? It sure does me. Go back to Jim Crow, again, in our lifetime? I don't think so!

So please people, do not give up no matter what. Regardless of who is inaugurated, this must NEVER happen again to another election. Speak out and spread the word about this issue. Again, spread the word. If we don't have the media, we can make our own media. "Word of Mouth" is still the most effective advertising medium known, even today. You might be surprised how many non-bloggers are starting to think about this! My mother rented a car this morning; the staff at the rental place absolutely believed already that this vote fraud stuff is going on. After talking to me they are going to go to BBV's site and to votergate.tv and learn more. And then they will tell others, and those others will tell others and... eventually, even if we don't get a Kerry presidency, we WILL get change.

So please hold tight and hold the course. And speak out. A lot.

Bev Harris (blackboxvoting.org) said this today (and I hope you don't mind my quoting you, Bev!) QUOTE:

"We are dealing with well financed people who are trying to run out the clock. They probably will succeed in that. However, we probably will succeed in proving fraud. What we have going for us is this:

- Public outrage: We read your letters and hear your anguish on the phone. Do not let go of those emotions. Your job is to focus those emotions into stubborn, relentless, nonstop pressure to make sure that there will be consequences for any and all electoral fraud.

- Law enforcement. There are still plenty of honest cops. Also, in our experience, different law enforcement agencies don't always get along, and where one fails us, another may not.

- We have the courts. (Somewhat.) Not all judges are unfriendly. They vote too. We can follow the example of tobacco industry lawsuits, launching many lawsuits, then sharing discovery and strategy until at last, we prevail.

- We have the media (barely). Network TV has not yet been able to get its brain around the story of electoral betrayal in a 2-minute news byte. For the time being, you must be your own "network TV." Don't count on TV to spread the word. Instead count on America's spirit of self reliance. We will prevail. Be the media.

- We have the Internet. Use it to share information at every level -- instant messaging, e-mailing, listservs, blogs, forums, Web sites, announcements, online media, online documents, film and video clips, audio clips, and any way that you can imagine to use it effectively. The Internet allows us to respond without boundaries, quickly, in unpredictable ways.

- We have truth. "

Read Bev's whole 11/13 update at http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[dmac]

1. As much I as I would love to believe . . . .

I absolutely agree that we cannot let go of this. The part that bothers me is, I don't know how if Bush isn't replaced, we will ever get any real change to take place. I cannot see him or our Republican majorities in the House/Senate ever giving up their "edge" - they are on a mission and I do not think anything is going to get between them and their goal. For me if a recount does not put Kerry in, sure, we can still try to affect change, but I am skeptical that it will ever come to be.

[demodonkey]

2. If the voting problems are corrected and it's really a "fair fight"...

if everybody stays motivated gets out and votes the way we all did this year, plus the waaayy bad approval Shrubby already has, I just DO NOT see Bush & Co. people getting in during the '06 midterms and in '08.

[NV Whino]

3. I am resigned to a Bush white house...

for a few months anyway. What Bev Harris is doing is so important to our future. It doesn't matter at this point who immediately occupies the white house. Who won? Who cares? Was there fraud? Can it be proven? That is what counts for the future of our country. Bev Harris is on the right track. If fraud can be proven. We can pull down the neocons and instate honest elections. If we can do that, our country has a chance of survival.

Go Bev!

[orpupilofnature57]

4. We should dog this shit, half as much as they harassed pres. Clinton

[mopinko]

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6. WE MUST BE VIGILANT AND NEVER LET THIS GO BY!

Lady Liberty needs us to raise her up...to support her as she has done that for so many years and asking nothing in return but our confidence and intention to stand up like she does. We have to be the light...on America and for the world.

Everyone all over the world is praying for us to beat this sinister turn in the affairs of America. We have to do our part...turn off the reality TV and realize...this is the best and the craziest reality that we will ever see. We all need to make the phone calls, overwhelm the news organizations with this information and MAKE them deal with it. If the editors are burying this stuff...the biggest story ever perhaps...We have to be the impetus for any and all news sources to break this bigtime. We must be vigilant. We cannot afford to let this go by.

I broke down and cried my heart out when Kerry lost. First I felt ill when I heard that Coburn won in OK...he is busy now chasing down the rampant lesbianism in eastern Oklahoma...what a load of $!$!#$!#...if you get my drift. Now that people have gotten their kicks redoing amendments to the state constitutions that we already had...can we get down to reality here???

I recently read a great biography of Winston Churchill...he was the ONE voice of sanity in keeping the Germans from invading England...he did that with his VOICE folks. It is thought that his radio messages to the world led Hitler to believe they were stronger than they actually were. He is the one thing that saved the world from the spread of Hitler to my birthplace. He was considered a war monger by some...my grandparents. Being a warning light in the coming darkness is not a warmonger. He WAS the light in the darkness, and the only one on at the time...or the one who barked the loudest. It took a while before people listened...but if one voice can do what he achieved and save the Empire...imagine what the likes of thousands and thousands of us can do with our voices, and now we have email, faxes, etc. We CAN DO THIS.

We have to unveil the injustice, that if not dealt with...will forever change the course of history, not only for us, but for the world. Could you ever have believed that America would resort to a semi-fascist state? At least Ashcroft resigned today...but I am sure another is taking his place to fill in the holes that Patriot Act I leaves. I have read it and am learning more every day. there are not many holes to fill. We are not only fighting for vote fraud...we are fighting for the very thing that makes America...AMERICA! Everyone around the world is looking to us to validate and defend our right to vote, that we all have the right to vote, unhampered by partisan meddling on the Nov. 2...that is our day...the people's day to speak. We spoke and our voice and our vote was fraudulently taken from us...are we going to lie down and allow that? I WILL NOT! America needs us and we have to defend and fight our own "WAR on TERROR" here in America.


There is a quote in Senator Byrd's book "Losing America", absolutely one of the best books about what is and has been occurring in our country from a 50 year Senator...G.M. Gilbert interviewing Hermann Goering of the "Nuremberg Diary"...as they are discussing how the "common people do not appreciate their leaders for bringing them war and destruction." Goering says,"...But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Gilbert points out, "There is one difference, in a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States, only Congress can declare wars." Goering goes on to chillingly say, "Oh, that is all well and good, but voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is the easy part. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce all the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


Well...is that not what has happened and what has resulted in the quagmire we are in now? We are not pacifists for wanting to use common sense and wisdom in settling foreign affairs. Just because we are extolling caution does not mean we are easy on terror. We are supposed to use force when we need to, not because we can. The terror that we have been exposed to in this country over the last few years, and which will escalate in the years to come if we do nothing now, will not be terror of bombs...but of words of terror that rip out the heart of America. One that will make one side go against the other. This election is the critical point in history that determines whether we move forward into the twenty-first century, or go backwards to tyranny. Have we come this far, to break the Berlin wall, to undermine the bonds of Apartheid, to de-escalate the nuclear threat, to name only a few...to go back to all out world terror. This salvation of this election from fraud...is part of that. Do we save Iraq and the Middle East from terror only to lose ourselves in the process. Can we not sift the real from the unreal?

We must...or GOD can only save us, if we cannot save ourselves. We must stand up the fraud in the vote, stand up to the desecration of America, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and for ourselves. We have a strong legacy of standing up for the right things...that is what made us great...and looked up to as the Light on the Hill for all people. Are we to let the light go out and transcend into the abyss at our greatest hour? The TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE! The truth of what has happened on November 2, 2004, and probably happened November 2, 2000, can never happen again! EVER! So, let us create the most intense campaign that our Democracy has ever seen...and stand up for Lady Liberty...and let the light shine for all who seek justice and liberty, and freedom and the ability to know the difference.

We have only a short span of time to achieve the impossible...to create a miracle...to push back the darkness that threatens to swallow us whole, if we do nothing. That is assured. Do not think that if we just go back to our TV programs...this will go away. It will not. If we ever fought for anything, we MUST, we HAVE to fight for this. If not...we will regret it for the rest of our lives, and our children's, and their children's. Believe it...This is the defining moment and our D-DAY! We must rise to the challenge...move every inch of our beings, to fight for our beliefs and our future. Will the history books one day speak of those that were afraid to raise their voices to save America? We go out and spend trillions saving the world...can we not expend a little energy for AMERICA?

Please hear this message...my whole soul is expending what I feel in my heart. STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY...IT NEEDS YOU...DO NOT FORSAKE IT...USE YOUR VOICE AND YOUR HEARTS TO SAVE AMERICA...SHE HAS BEEN DEALT A TERRIBLE BLOW...SHE NEEDS THE PEOPLE TO SAVE HER. Many have tried to warn us and now we must listen...so to your battle stations...every one...we have an immense job to do...and this is one we cannot afford to lose because we are afraid for our jobs to speak out. Afraid what people will say. Imagine that we save the day...then they will all be so proud. Think on that...feel proud...do not allow the very principles upon which our great nation began. As Senator Byrd says, "NOW is the time to regain the Constitution that our forefathers so wisely left, a time to return to the values and principles that made America great. Too many have us have gone passively along, aiding and abetting a dangerous process."

Please, let us stand up for AMERICAN VALUES...for what Democracy and Freedom is all about. THE PEOPLE...MUST SPEAK. God Bless this great nation in its darkest hour...and deliver us from evil. Help us to work together to achieve what we were meant to...the American Dream is not a fraud. Our right to vote and be counted is a basic right. DEFEND THAT RIGHT! I implore you.. Thanks for listening...GG

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