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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:14 PM
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Easy Code for Fraud (Why We Need Nationwide MANUAL Recounts)
You can do this on a spreadsheet, and its so easy to do, a high school student could do it --

FINAL_BUSH_TOTAL = IF ( (Bush_Total) < (Kerry_Total), (Kerry_Total), (Bush_Total) )

FINAL_KERRY_TOTAL = IF ( (Bush_Total) < (Kerry_Total), (Bush_Total), (Kerry_Total) )

What does this mean?

For BUSH:
If the Total Number of Bush Votes (Bush_Total) Is Less Than the Total Number of Kerry Votes (Kerry_Total), Then Use the Total Number of KERRY Votes as the FINAL BUSH TOTAL, otherwise Use the Total Number of BUSH Votes as the FINAL BUSH TOTAL. (Either way, BUSH takes the most votes.)

For KERRY:
If the Total Number of Bush Votes (Bush_Total) Is Less Than the Total Number of Kerry Votes (Kerry_Total), Then Use the Total Number of BUSH Votes as the FINAL KERRY TOTAL, otherwise Use the Total Number of KERRY Votes as the FINAL KERRY TOTAL. (Either way, KERRY gets the LEAST votes.)

At least, if I was going to "steal" an election, and create a "mandate", that's how I would do it. :) Best, Ida
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:18 PM
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1. That would be the easiest way to do it, certainly
I thought of that condition in Pl/1 or COBOL, but I'm sure it was C++ or something else given it is a recent program. I haven't programmed in many years, but even I could still set up that condition with little effort. ;)
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alevensalor Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:19 PM
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2. C++ version
bVotes = (kVotes > bVotes ? kVotes : bVotes);
kVotes = (kVotes > bVotes ? bVotes : kVotes);

Or, in Visual Basic (the language the database that these were stored in uses):

bVotes = iif (kVotes > bVotes, kVotes, bVotes)
kVotes = iif (kVotes > bVotes, bVotes, kVotes)

See, nothing to it.

~A!
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ReneB Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:20 PM
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3. hmm.. other way
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 09:20 PM by ReneB
seeing there are more votes than registered voters in some counties, i would do it like this:


counter+1



if (counter = 8){
total_votes_for_bush +1
counter =0
}


:)
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:22 PM
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4. c++
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 09:23 PM by dbonds
bush = (bush > kerry)? bush: kerry;
kerry = (kerry > bush)? bush: kerry;

Anyone know an SQL statement?
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someother Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:37 PM
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5. Are you all looking for jobs as Diebold programmers ?
... there are even bugs in the fraud code.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:54 PM
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7. Yes the temp variables
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 09:57 PM by dbonds
The other just a psuedo code. To be complete

void fixit(unsigned int &kerry,unsigned int &bush)
{
unsigned int tempBush = bush;

bush = (kerry > bush)? kerry: bush;
kerry = (kerry > tempBush)? tempBush: kerry;

}

or more clean

void fixit(unsigned int &kerry,unsigned int &bush)
{

if(kerry > bush) {
unsigned int tempBush = bush;
bush = kerry;
kerry = tempBush;
}
}

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:02 PM
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8. You programmers might be interested in this thread on the OH count
It gives an example of how B*sh might have ended up with more than 3000 votes over the number of eligible voters in one Ohio county:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x48519
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someother Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:02 PM
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9. Sorry - I'm reading at work ..
.. and currently in bug fix mode, so it just couldn't resist.

Now I feel the need to say something constructive, if slightly
off topic.

Anyone else notice that even Micro$oft avoided Windows when they
were looking for security? (In the XBox for example).

Don't get me started an Access .....


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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:08 PM
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11. Ha! Now that's funny, dude! I didn't know that about Microsoft! n/t
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:38 PM
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14. ROTFL --
so true, so true.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:17 PM
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21. Hi someother!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:48 PM
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6. Ida, I sent you a PM about the NH recount. Thanks! n/t
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:06 PM
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10. With VBAccess
Dim Count

Count = Count
'option1 = Vote for Bush
If count = 8 then
option1 = true
Count = 0
end if

Count = Count + 1

Every 8th vote automatically for Bushie. There are actually a million coding examples that come to mind right off of the top of my head. Gotta kinda think though they would be farrrrrr more complex in the way they pulled this off.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:25 PM
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12. You might think so ....
But they're not very complex people we're dealing with here.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:26 PM
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13. now add a line which would erase all traces of that code
that way the count could be changed and not a trace left of how it was done.
If the TV media networks were connected to the main vote tally computers -- that same path could be used to hack the vote.

Hand count of paper ballots is the only way to go.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:46 AM
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19. deleteing the code
Well the Gems system had part written in JAVA, it would be easy to have an extra .jar file in the CLASSPATH that had an entry to delete that file in the runonce section of the registry. Could be a .jar file that had a class that was the same as another farther down the CALSSPATH so that it worked fine without it, and that new .jar was added just for nov 2.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:56 PM
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15. Okay, good work. Except that
they were just a wee bit more sophisticated than that.

The "business rules" seem to be something like this:

Shave votes wherever possible to effect a Bush win in the state, without raising questions or concerns. Shave votes in Bush strongholds, shave votes in Kerry strongholds while still allowing a Kerry win in those areas so as not to raise suspicions. The more the merrier.

In states known to be Kerry wins, shave votes to help produce a nationwide Bush win in the popular vote -- the bigger the better, without raising suspicions. This helps reduce suspicions (and in fact, both the Bush camp and pundits have pointed to the popular vote margin as antithetical to the notion of fraud).

Finally, any Bush wins in swing states MUST be outside any margin which could trigger automatic recounts (like Florida 2000, duh!) or requested recounts by losing candidates, but not so large as to raise questions among activists as compared to pre-election polls (see Diebold Magic
http://www.bartcop.com/111102fraud.htm )

Similar for key Senate races and probably selected House races. Governors? Of course -- see Roy Barnes, GA, 2002. Did we have any Governor races this year? (I don't think I heard a word about any Governor races, but may not have been paying attention.) And probably cooperative Secretaries of State as well.

Here's another hint for you guys: I believe they're doing it in realtime, by just a few company insiders. There are computer felon(s) on the Diebold payroll. (www.bbv.org no doubt has that somewhere on the site.) Actually, the truth is probably that they do it any way they can. Someone who examined a good bit of the code that Avi Rubin didn't even look at, found all sorts of backdoor entres into the system (not the machines, the GEMS program), and yes, at least one of them involved code that erased any sign of their having been there.

If anyone was paying attention, think back to the CA recall, and no doubt other elections as well, where some of the "results" in areas where these wonderful machines were used came in MUCH later than older technology voting systems. It wasn't supposed to be like that -- they were supposed to be faster, remember? Some of the CA results were really squirrelly too -- a few totally unknown candidates got remarkable numbers of votes in areas other than their own counties. Vote shaving fer shure.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:04 AM
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20. "...the results where these ...machines were used came in MUCH later..."
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 01:04 AM by txindy
States like NH, you mean? I waited all evening for them to call that state. Finally gave up. It was that wait that made me suspicious of the integrity of this election. The magically-morphing exit polls put me over the top.

They took so long to call NH because they were busy shaving all of those extra votes for Junior to get his 'man date' in place, but still give John Kerry NH. Yes? Yes. It has to be. Apparently, they never considered it possible that Nader (or Cobb and Badnarik in Ohio) would demand a recount. Honestly, who ever saw THAT coming? Surprise, Karl! :evilgrin:

I wish these fraud revelations still surprised me.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:08 PM
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16. Wouldn't it be ironic if they 'outsourced' writing the fraudulent
code to India> Wouldn't put it past the cheap, money grubbing bastards!
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four more wars Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:59 PM
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17. hang on a minute
If it was me writing the code I'd never write something that simple, I'd write the code so that if the margin was less than 3% I'd flip the votes, but if 'we' lost by more than that, I'd be trying to protect the overall 'Mandate' and writing code to pull the margin further back into line whilst still conceding the result on that individual poll, without leaving an obvious trail.

Because if I didn't it would be possible for a really smart statistician to pinpoint the areas where my code was in place...

A really smart Statistician like Ida


which I assume is what you are saying you have found..


You go girl.
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four more wars Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:04 AM
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18. which having re-read the thread
is exactly what elorial said.


my bad
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