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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:51 PM
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Has anyone posted this story from Cinti Enquirer's A1 page? "Crossover voters spur shortage of
ballots

I saw it this morning when I brought the paper in, but couldn't find it online until I googled the 2 bylines and crossover voters

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050380&template=printpicart

snip

"From what I understand, it's a pretty widespread trend across the state. I want to be optimistic and think that a lot of people have seen the light. In the back of my mind, though, I think it's an attempt to dictate who the Democratic candidates should be. If there was a concerted effort to vote in the Democratic primary, I don't believe they (Republicans) will vote for the person they think is the strongest."

Clermont and Warren counties are heavily Republican, yet almost as many people voted Democrat as Republican.

Of Clermont County's 128,128 registered voters, 37,714 are registered Republicans and 14,496 are registered Democrats. With all precincts counted, 26,279 people had cast Democratic ballots and 28,032 had cast Republican ballots.

Warren County has 12,440 registered Democrats and 41,377 registered Republicans. With all precincts reporting, that county was reporting 27,855 Democratic ballots cast and 28,683 Republican.



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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:31 PM
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1. Cheating Fucks
:grr:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:39 PM
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2. I thik it is interesting I had such a hard time finding this online, I only knew to look & had to
use Google to find this article. The Wilkinson one linked to the Election coverage page is much shorter. If it wasn't on my front porch this morning I would have missed it.

Being a huge fan of The Wire on HBO especially with this year's newsroom angle at the Baltimore Sun, it would be interesting if someo DUer who is up to speed on the whole Ohio Warren, Butler & Clermont County anomalous voting history could give these obviously cub reporters a call tomorrow.

Maybe there is more there there



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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 PM
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3. Double the # of registered dems showed up and voted?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:48 PM
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4. That is why I posted it in ER. Math hurt my head in 2004 & my head hasn't gotten any better
But some of the folks who hang in ER are math genuises!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:12 PM
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8. With the McCain Nomination cinched, they want to run against who they can beat-Hillary
Have you seen "American Blackout"? This is what they did to Cynthia McKinney in 2002!

:mad:

does anyone have a working link to KO or countdown (my old ones are dysfunctional)?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:16 PM
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9. No but send the data to:
Stephanie miller <stephiemiller12@sbcglobal.net>

Keith listens to her show

The Columbus Dispatch will cover it too. :rofl:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:56 PM
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17. Look at this Dist 02 (mean jean's) 109,295 cast for the Dems while 82, 730 for the R's
Doesn't that sound odd to you?

Pls join me in sending it to Steph



BTW I heard from some volunteers who I worked the Westerville TH with that you were present when mama came to town. Any photos you'd like to share? ;)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 AM
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22. Steph & I had a good time
Till I got us lost on the "west side"

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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:58 AM
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23. Hubby's GOP coworker called him thatt AM to say he was voting for Clinton because they fear Obama
the charisma, the youtthful comparison of a tall slender man standing beside McCain and his small donor fundraising prowess
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:54 PM
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5. K&R.
That's a lot of cross-over votes. How much is the appeal of our candidates, and how much the power of Rush Limbaugh?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:05 PM
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7. plus it is warren, butle & clermont counties. think 2004, there were anomalies then
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:04 PM
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6. Just did the math...it would only take ~ 21 votes per precinct to throw the election
:mad:
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:22 PM
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10. All the Texas cross-over votes in Texas for Obama
Or was there cheating going on? I have to question that. The republicans in Texas wanted the weaker person to win, Obama.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM
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11. Nice Fake .... the thread was about Ohio not Texas




nice try anyway
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:34 PM
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14. WOW a thousand posts since the end of January too bad you're not better informed
about what we're discussing.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM
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12. SOME of them have become Dems in the last few years. I know a few here in Sugar Land.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:41 PM
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16. Sure some will change but this is deep southern Ohio. I would suspect there are
still a huge Republican base.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:00 AM
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24. These are tthe same counties that an unheard of black liberal municipal court democratic judge
from Cleveland outpolled Kerry in 2004.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:22 PM
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38. the demographic's changed so much withour ongoing explosive population
growth that the cowboys and farmers are outnumbered, bigtime.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:49 AM
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20. Is it true that if you register as a Dem in Texas...
you can only vote Democratic ballots--or you can't vote at all--for a year?

There was a post about that here the other day.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:08 AM
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31. They could not enforce tthat for a general, just primaries
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winterlight Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:50 PM
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41. That bodes well for Democrats in the GE
Very, very well.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:32 PM
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13.  You mean this Warren County?
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983

In Warren County, administrators and election officials locked down the county administrative building and prohibited all independent election observers from watching the vote count. County officials cited “homeland security,” according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. WCPO-TV Channel 9 News Director Bob Morford told the Enquirer that he had “never seen anything like it.” Morford asserted that throwing the media and independent observers out of the centralized counting area under the guise of “homeland security” was a “red herring.” He said, “That’s something to put up when you don’t know what else to put up to keep us out.” In Warren County, Bush picked up an additional 12,000 votes over his 2000 election total.


_____________________________________________

In 2004 Kerry got 26,044 votes fwiw, which is apparently less than those that voted "Dem" this time around.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:39 PM
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15. and don't forget Clermont in 2005 which after a protracted delay due to high humidity
Mean Jean squeezed out a win over paul Hackett.

They don't have Blackwell anymore to "oversee" elections so they simply decide on a nominee early then rig the primary to influence who they will run against.

This is going to repeat where ever cross-over is allowed.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:31 PM
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18. Look at this data on Warren County:
From the Warren county BOE web page and found that the democrats voted at 223% of the total Dems in the county. Some turnout:-)

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 57,396
REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRATIC 12,440
REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN 41,377
BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN 28,683
BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRATIC 27,855
source: warren county BOE http://snipurl.com/212z3
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 AM
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21. Please send this data on to Jennifer Brunner
I am going to do the same too. The #s are way too
big to just be "cross over" votes but very well might
be from manipulation @ the BOE level.

Damn a 223% turn out ... Hillary must have had an awesome
GOTV drive. :rofl:

I am going to compile this info on this page and start a
new thread.

On election night I kept looking @ the data and I knew
something was wrong.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 AM
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25. yes that Warren County, the same players, the same GOP conniving
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:20 AM
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19. So whats the comparative to other primary races?
Is the presidential race compared to other dem races in ohio disproportionate?



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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 AM
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26. I thought of this last night, too (but too late for moi)
If they took Dem ballots just to influence the presidential primary, I would guess there would be undervotes in down ticket races.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:07 AM
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29. Exacttly because it takes along time to color in those squares, but in those countties Rs run
unopposed alot of the time
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:03 AM
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27. Call 513-721-2700 and ask to speak to Jessica Brown and Barrett J. Brunsman, the reporters
and tell them what we know about suspicous activity in these counties in prior elections.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:05 AM
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28. This thread is not aboutt Clinton vs. Obama it's about GOP election tampering period in counties
with a prior history
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:07 AM
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30. IMHO-Limbaugh's push to vote for Hillary is a calculated rovian ploy to influence
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 08:10 AM by mod mom
the Democratic primary w a candidate they believe they can beat. Think about it-he has detested her in the past but would rather select Hillary over an old probably 1 term Republican that could be coupled with a VP who better reflects their goals? I say he is being disingenuous, and it doesn't pass the smell test. Then you add Bill Cunningham (southern Ohio) to the mix and voila a major cross-over push in Ohio to stop the momentum of a candidate ty fear and promote a candidate they believe they can beat.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:18 AM
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33. The GOP understands how much influence charisma plays and that smearing charismatics is difficult
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:16 AM
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32. Another A1 sttory in Enquirer today, byline is Barrett J. Brunsman, he wasn't assigned to previous
Clermont & Warren county anomaly stories. Maybe a little bird could get him up to speed 513-721-2700
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:39 AM
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34. I don't understand where ten thousand Republicans could be found
who would be willing to vote for Clinton in, say, Warren County.

Are those real crossover votes or something else?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:48 AM
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36. Sfexpat-In Southern OH you have Bill Cunningham & Limbaugh advocating for HRC on RW radio
Anyone who listens to them aren't exacting thinking folks but rather good footsoldiers.

Here is what I am sending out:

I just finished up volunteer work for the Obama Campaign and now moved back to election integrity. Please take a look at these articles/data and evaluate whether you believe you should use your influence to get the word out to Democratic leaders. Regardless of which candidate you support, I believe we both agree we need a Democrat in the WH in November. As someone who has worked on the ground (I focused on the same low income Af Am precincts that I canvassed in '04 for K/E), I can honestly say there are many segments of Dem voters who will vote 3rd party or stay home rather than support Hillary. You don't have to believe me but someone in leadership should talk to low income Af Am, anti-war folks, and the Obama volunteers who are getting out the vote before dismissing this. Many are appalled at her tactics, others with her vote history. Please consider passing this info on.

Dorri Steinhoff

IMHO-Limbaugh's push to vote for Hillary is a calculated rovian ploy to influence


the Democratic primary w a candidate they believe they can beat. Think about it-he has detested Hillary in the past but would rather select her over an old, probably 1 term Republican that could be coupled with a VP who better reflects their goals? I say he is being disingenuous, and it doesn't pass the smell test. Then you add Bill Cunningham (southern Ohio RW radio) to the mix and voila a major cross-over push in Ohio to stop the momentum of a candidate they fear and promote a candidate who will bring out the Republican base and they believe they can beat.

McCain is the nominee so what would stop Republicans from this cross-over voting and effecting who they will run against?

Turned away at poll? Click here
Some are told to wait - or come back later
BY JESSICA BROWN AND BARRETT J. BRUNSMAN | JLBROWN@ENQUIRER.COM | BBRUNSMAN@ENQUIRER.COM

-snip
In that heavily Republican county, officials weren't prepared for the high number of Democratic ballots requested. Some voters waited for more than an hour for new ballots to be delivered; others were asked to come back later or asked to go to the county Board of Elections to vote.

The reason: a wave of "crossover" voting, in which normally Republican voters asked for Democratic ballots. In Clermont County, turnout surged to 43 percent Tuesday - compared with just 31 percent in the 2004 presidential primary.

-snip

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said there was also a "crossover problem" in Akron and elsewhere in Summit County where many Republicans and non-enrolled Ohioans voted Democratic.

-snip

Of Clermont County's 128,128 registered voters, 37,714 are registered Republicans and 14,496 are registered Democrats. With all precincts counted, 26,279 people had cast Democratic ballots and 28,032 had cast Republican ballots.

Warren County has 12,440 registered Democrats and 41,377 registered Republicans. With all precincts reporting, that county was reporting 27,855 Democratic ballots cast and 28,683 Republican.

-snip
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050380&template=printpicart


GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
Posted by Tom Ott, Michael Scott, Joe Wagner & Maggi Martin March 04, 2008 14:51PM
Categories: At the polls

Poll watchers throughout Ohio are noting large numbers of Republican voters crossing over to vote in the Democratic Primary between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

In the Republican roost of Chagrin Falls, veteran poll worker Liz McFadden was amazed at the number of people jumping the party's ship. Democrats accounted for 70 percent of the voters in her precinct, one of seven at the village's high school.

"That's a complete reversal of what it normally is, even more so," she said. "I've never seen a switch like this."

The defectors had motives both pure and sinister.

-snip
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_crossing_over_in_la.html

FROM OSU ELECTION LAW:

Cross-over voting under Ohio law

March 4, 2008

Edward B. Foley
Director, Election Law @ Moritz
Robert M. Duncan/Jones Day Designated Professor of Law
Moritz College of Law


Blogs at both the Plain Dealer and Dispatch are reporting Republican cross-over votes in the Democratic candidate for Senator Clinton on the ground that she would be an easier nominee for Senator McCain to beat. It is unclear how widespread this phenomenon is and whether, if calculable, could make a difference in either the statewide total popular vote or the awarding of delegates between Senators Clinton and Obama. There is also the question whether it is legal, and if not, whether it is remediable in any way.

Although it is widely reported that Ohio permits Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary (and vice versa), that is not technically true. Ohio law does permit voters to switch party affiliation on the day of the primary, but it has a rather awkward mechanism that attempts to ascertain that the switch is sincere—and to prevent insincere “party-raiding” of the kind that (as described above) is being reported today.

Section 3513.19 of the Ohio Revised Code states that it is the “duty” of poll workers in Ohio “to challenge the right of person to vote” in a particular party’s primary if a poll worker “doubts” the person’s eligibility based on the ground (among others) that the person is "not affiliated with or is not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote.” The same section further specifies that the poll worker is to determine the voter’s previous party affiliation by examining the voting records of the past two years. If those records show the voter to be a Republican, for example, then before giving the voter a Democratic ballot in the current primary, the statute then directs the poll worker to have the voter sign a “statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.”

This statement is supposed to be the test of the voter’s sincerity in switching party affiliation. Section 3513.20 of the Code make clear that a voter who refuses to sign the statement is to receive a provisional rather than regular ballot. Indeed, even if the voter is willing to sign the statement, but the majority of poll workers at the precinct believe the voter is not sincere in switching parties, then the poll workers are to give the voter a provisional rather than regular ballot.

-snip
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/freefair/articles.php?ID=367

From the Warren County BOE (Warren is a Republican stronghold outside of Cincinnati where the faux "Level 10 Homeland Security shutdown of the BOE occurred in 2004) web page and found that the democrats voted at 223% of the total Dems in the county. Some turnout!

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 57,396
REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRATIC 12,440
REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN 41,377
BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN 28,683
BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRATIC 27,855
source: warren county BOE http://snipurl.com/212z3



http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/ballot_1.html

Board of Elections Director Jane Platten said Democratic ballots ran out at the Grantwood Golf Course in Solon at 6:15 p.m. "A significant line of people waited 45 minutes to vote," she said. Nobody was turned away, Platten said.

There also was up to a 30-minute delay at the Lonnie Burten Recreation Center, on East 46th Street, in Cleveland, while more ballots were delivered, Platten said.

At least one precinct at Olmsted Falls High School ran out of Democratic ballots, according to Keith Smith, 27. He said he waited about a half-hour before leaving to tend to his family.




from an election integrity list serv:

On Monday Rush Limbaugh was advocating a "strategery" to his
listeners, suggesting that they should vote for Hillary where
possible to prolong Democratic in-fighting, reduce the coffers of the
Democratic nominee by having donors split between two candidates, and
force them to focus on each other rather than bloodying McCain all
the way until the convention.

I'm not at all surprised by crossover in Ohio because that state,
much like Harrisburg, PA where I currently live, is saturated with
stations that carry Limbaugh. I can get his hateful, ignorant
ranting on no less than 6 stations in and around the Harrisburg area.

I'm actually surprised no major news outlets have been talking about
this potential influence on the Ohio and Texas results since they
were so out-of-step with where the party is moving.


Ohio GOP roots for Hillary
BY HOWARD WILKINSON | HWILKINSON@ENQUIRER.COM
One of the worst-kept secrets of the Ohio presidential primary is that Republican party leaders have a candidate they are rooting for on the Democratic side.

Her name is Hillary Clinton, and they believe that if she wins the Ohio primary and goes on to become the Democratic nominee, she will be the one who unites their dispirited and divided party and give them their best chance of keeping the White House this fall.



It is a belief that the Clinton campaign says is wrong-headed and they will campaign across the state for the next three weeks making the argument that their battle-tested, experienced candidate is the only one who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee this fall.

She’ll need to do some convincing, fast. For Clinton, Ohio’s March 4 primary is looking more and more critical.

-snip

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS01/302130097







Tuesday, March 4

Don't Call Ohio Too Soon
That's my advice to the news media tonight, in the event of a close Democratic primary. As returns start to come in from Ohio this evening, we should keep in mind circumstances that will probably result in more outstanding ballots on Election Night than in other states, and maybe even more than is typical for Ohio. If that's true, a margin that appears insurmountable on paper -- even with all precincts nominally reported -- may actually be smaller than it appears.

Here are the big things that might cause there to be a large number of yet-to-be-counted ballots than usual on election night:

- Provisional Ballots. Ohio heavily relies on provisional ballots, which are used for people who've moved, who don't have required ID, and whose names don't appear on the registration list when they go to vote, among other things. Most of us probably remember the delay in calling the 2004 election, when Bush led Kerry by some 136,000 votes with approximately 158,000 provisional ballots left to be verified and counted. When these ballots were eventually counted, they cut Bush's margin by about 18,000 votes. In November 2006, an even higher percentage of Ohio voters cast provisional ballots, over 3%. In light of Ohio's new ID rules, still not completely familiar to many voters, and potential problems with its statewide registration list, we can expect lots of provisionals today as well. Voters have 10 days after the election to bring in their information, and it will be a while after that before we know how many of the provisionals will be counted and who they're cast for.

- Residual Votes. These are ballots that don't register a valid vote, at least when they're run through automatic tabulators. They include undervotes (a ballot that doesn't register a choice) and overvotes (a ballot that registers more than the allowed number of choices). Both can sometimes result from ambiguous marks with paper-based voting systems, but some of the undervotes may be recoverable through a manual recount. Under Ohio law, a ballot on which a voter circles the candidates name or makes a mark with an instrument that can't be recognized by tabulating equiment should eventually be counted. As I explained in Sunday's post, we can expect a significant number of residual votes in Ohio today, because a large number of voters will be voting with central-count optical scan equipment that doesn't allow voters to check for mistakes before casting their votes. Cuyahoga County will be especially hard hit, but other counties will also be affected given that voters in touchscreen counties are allowed to vote a paper ballot on request. If the race winds up being tight, it will be important to know how many residual votes there are -- especially in the Cleveland area.

-SNIP
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/blogs/tokaji/2008/03/dont-call-ohio-too-soon.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:54 AM
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37. Thanks, mod mom. I knew about the RW radio stuff
but it's amazing that it can translate into all those votes!
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:50 PM
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40. It's actually not hard to think of doing this on your own, most Ohioans have never voted a primary
I haven't. It never made a difference before. so the true numbers of Ds vs. Rs absent formal declaration would be extremely hard to ascertain. You would ahve to extrapolate from voting historical voting trends
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:43 PM
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39. unless you wanted to cast a symbolic vote for huckabee there was no reason for the Rs to vote at all
as it made no difference
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 AM
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42. So true. I was just thinking that it's hard enough to get people to vote
for someone they like. Let alone, getting Republicans to vote for someone they can't even talk about without spitting. And, in the thousands and in several counties.

There's something here that makes no sense to me, any way. I believe that there was an effort to meddle with the Dem primary. The numbers just seem so high to me. :shrug:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:08 AM
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43. Now there's a very interesting question indeed...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:43 AM
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35. LIMBAUGH ADVOCATES HILLARY TO PROLONG DEM IN-FIGHTING:
FROM A LIST-SERV:

On Monday Rush Limbaugh was advocating a "strategery" to his
listeners, suggesting that they should vote for Hillary where
possible to prolong Democratic in-fighting, reduce the coffers of the
Democratic nominee by having donors split between two candidates, and
force them to focus on each other rather than bloodying McCain all
the way until the convention.

I'm not at all surprised by crossover in Ohio because that state,
much like Harrisburg, PA where I currently live, is saturated with
stations that carry Limbaugh. I can get his hateful, ignorant
ranting on no less than 6 stations in and around the Harrisburg area.

I'm actually surprised no major news outlets have been talking about
this potential influence on the Ohio and Texas results since they
were so out-of-step with where the party is moving.

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