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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:42 PM
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Hand Counted Paper Ballots in 2008


Although much has been published on the Internet, the mainstream media have mostly chosen to ignore or dismiss the questions of fraud and error raised in relation to electronic voting machines. Notable exceptions are discussions by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s “Countdown” and Mark Crispin Miller’s article “None Dare Call It Stolen” in Harper’s Magazine, in which he strongly suggests that the presidential election of 2004 was rigged, much of it by electronic voting machines.


HCPB are an alternative to the current widespread and increasing use of electronic voting machines. An HCPB system of voting has the following major advantages over electronic voting machines: (1) Counting of ballots is publicly done, observed and filmed by everyday citizens who are registered voters in the precinct where the counting takes place. (2) Security safeguards are much more easily built in to protect against tampering. (3) The cost is far less.


There have been two recent efforts to promote an HCPB system in the United States, and a third will take place later in 2006. In 2004, voting rights activists Sharona Merel, Kaen Renick, Ellen Theisen, and Kathleen Wynne proposed federal legislation for federal offices. In 2005, four voting rights activists (this writer and three members of CASE Ohio – John Burik, Phil Fry, and Dorri Steinhoff) began work on a protocol for HCPB. Some of this writing has been modified and is included in this paper in the specifics for HCPB. In November 2006, voting rights activist Joanne Karasak plans to promote a state constitutional amendment for HCPB in Ohio. There are 18 states where such constitutional amendments are possible.

The key elements of an HCPB system are as follows: (1) Electronic voting machines are not involved in this process in any way whatsoever. (2) Nothing used in an HCPB system is purchased from companies or vendors who have ties to partisan political groups or parties. (3) Each voter hand marks a sturdy paper ballot with a black felt pen provided at the precinct. (4) The counting process happens at each precinct immediately after the polls close. (5) Each ballot is hand counted by registered voters from that precinct in full view of other registered voters from that precinct. (6) The counting process is filmed. (7) A chain of custody of the ballots and ballot boxes is specified. (8) Ballot boxes are observed and filmed as they are opened and closed and move from place to place.

SNIP...Even with all these safeguards in place, the chance for fraud still exists. Therefore, immediately after the first count, there will be a 100% hand counted audit of the vote, carried out in the same way as the first hand count, but in the audit, the observers will be the counters and the counters will be the observers.

SNIP...It is time to make electronic voting machines a NIMBY (not in my back yard and not in anyone else’s back yard either) issue. To begin a movement for HCPB, ordinary citizens, registered voters, must begin organizing door-to-door with their neighbors to petition their local election officers and demand HCPB in their city or town. Although organizing could also proceed on a state level, going municipality by municipality is a good way to start, depending on your state’s laws.



http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/specials/article.2006-04-10.1693298872
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:50 PM
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1. One little suggestion:
Apply the same rules of chain-of-evidence to the video footage itself. The video is useless if it has been found to be tampered or doctored.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:16 AM
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3. Video? Its all crazy, Holt wants to fix a problem that neither Obama or McCain will
admit publicly exists

Two questions for Obama and or McCain

a) Should we pass Holts election reform bill, and

b) What problem will Holts bill solve?

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:59 PM
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2. Hand counted ballot fraud was way GOP controlled Downstate IIllinois for 50 years
Audits are the only control - and we lost that when Bev Harris got folks like Brad to support her fight to not have audits in 2008.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:28 AM
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:47 AM
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5. Well
It is folks that fight against our brothers and sisters, ie Brad, et al that are causing disunity in the movement. Instead of fighting the real enemy, they ankle bite the warriors on our side.

Shameful, don't you think?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:58 PM
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6. When our brothers and sisters fall for Bev Harris - aka GOP troll - shouldn't something be said?
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 09:59 PM by papau
Indeed the fact that paper cures nothing seems to be unchallenged - even by your snarky remark.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:43 PM
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7. Paper cures nothing?
Now that there is kin to real GOP trolling.

Paper helps, but if no human ever sees the paper then there is no cure. Isn't that what you meant to say?

Frankly, papau, your letting Bev ruin your image here. The real enemy is not Bev, but the GOP, and dis-uniting us plays right into their hands.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:00 PM
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8. Hey kster
Where are all the EI folks? You'd think the people who invented the term EI would be all over a thread like this, a thread that brings real Integrity back into our Elections.

Or does EI just mean that they want some intergrity in computerized elections? Even though not one computer whiz thinks that is possible.
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