If the recount is unsuccessful, shoud we push to repeal 22nd amendment?

[AJH032]

Thinking forward to 2008 incase Kerry loses: how possible is it to push for a constitutional amendment to repeal the 22nd amendment (limiting presidential term limits to 2)? The best candidate our party has is Bill Clinton, and if we could run him again, we'd win (even if the Republicans run George again). What do you all think?

[tk2kewl]

1. no

[7th_Sephiroth]

2. and spit in george washingtons face? never

:groinkick:

[IAMREALITY]

3. Leave the Consitution Alone

Don't Fuck With The Consitution, Ever..... Especially for ulterior motives such as giving our party an edge in the next election.

I would certainly hope there would be more constructive and creative ways to pull it out.

[futurecitizen]

4. HELL no.

Dude, what are you THINKING?

America needs no kings.

[Flagius]

8. Yeah!

Because FDR was the worst President ever! Oh wait...

[BlueCaliDem]

5. Nope. Term Limits is GOOD. If You Doubt This...

...just look at all that gerrymandering in Congress where these people never have to worry about their seats, and aren't as aggressive to do their jobs for the American people.
No. Term limits work perfectly, and, imho, there's been more than enough "amending" of our Constitution as it is.

[Red State Blues]

29. Go Bill!

Assuming we get the rest of this mess sorted out, which is WAY more important, we have term limits for all elected officials: they're called elections.

To be a little more contrarian, the idea of Arnold S. becoming president makes me sick BUT I'm not sure that letting people who have been citizens for at least 20 years run for president is such a bad idea.

[BlueCaliDem]

30. With Gerrymandering going on in Congress...

...and keeping their seats so damned safe they can even break the law (remember the Tom Delay, Texas redistricting that threw out two excellent Democrats, and won a much bigger share of the House for Republicans?) as they see fit!
No. Term limits can help stop shenanigans like this.
As for Aaahnold?
We've got a huge pool of Born-In-America Americans, and don't need naturalized ones to add to the pool.
I'm against the idea of amending the Constitution at this stage.
For heavens sake! We can't even do an Election properly, and with GOP corruption that threatens the very fabric of our Democracy, so shouldn't we fix this prob FIRST, before we take on another???

[Red State Blues]

32. Agree

Well, I said before that fixing the current mess was WAY more important. My point is that term limits are an imperfect solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist, but unfortunately does.

[newyawker99]

35. Hi peregrine42!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Red State Blues]

36. Thanks!

I've been lurking since Nov 4th, You guys really helped with a crushing depression after the "election". I wish that I had found this place much sooner.

[ParanoidPat]

6. Well first off, when you say "unsuccessful".......

.......what do you mean? :shrug:

In my mind, a successful recount means that all votes wind up going to the candidate that they were cast for. An "unsuccessful" recount would then imply that votes were assigned to the wrong candidate. In that case why the hell would I want to repeal the 22nd amendment? :crazy:

No, bad idea! :evilgrin:

[teach1st]

7. Reminds me of a Bush supporter ploy...

Earlier today somebody posted that the Arnold for president stink is not aimed at getting the California gov into the White House, but is instead a move to soften and eventually repeal the 22nd amendment in anticipation of the official coronation of King George the Whacked as president for forever. I don't know about that, but I do think King George would love to have a chance at being front man for perpetual corporatism.

I'm a true conservative when it comes to messing with our Constitution. Sure, sometimes the Constitution needs changing...as it may have when the 22nd amendment was adopted. But political considerations alone are not enough to warrant such radical revisionism. I suspect the radical right is really itching to change the Constitution, since they really do hate America because of its freedoms. Wouldn't you agree?

[sadman]

10. what difference does it make?

As long as we get back in power. That's the most important thing right now, isn't it? I hate to say the ends justify the means, but desperate times call for desperate measures, no?

[grannylib]

17. No. That would make us just like them. Theft is OK, as long as they're

in power; torture is OK, as long as they're in power; suspension and suppression of civil liberties is OK, as long as they're in power....get my drift? Do you REALLY want the Democratic party to be as slimy and filthy and whorish as the RePugnicans???
Not me.

[sadman]

25. But if we DON'T start doing something...

...pretty soon, we won't be in a position to do ANYthing. And even if we did use some of their tricks, we'd be doing it for good, while we all know what they do with THEIR power.

[AJH032]

9. Well, I think it needs some fixing

I think the 22nd should be fixed to restrict presidents to 2 consecutive terms, rather than 2 terms for a life time. This would eliminate the problem of one person perpetually in power, but would allow us to bring back an older president if we think he can do the job better (like Clinton). You really think George W. Bush could beat Bill Clinton?

[jhgatiss]

11. Scary!

You're not the first person to mention this though! If Iraq and the economy continue going as they have been, we may have country hungry for change of leadership in four years.

[verdalaven]

16. ????

You're not the first person to mention this though! If Iraq and the economy continue going as they have been, we may have country hungry for change of leadership in four years.

What do you mean, four years from now?!? We are hungry for change now! At least I am. I was ready for a change two years ago, in fact.

Actually, that first summer before 9/11 when * was on his kajillionth vacation, I was ready then.

Scratch that, I've disliked * from the getgo.

[DieboldMustDie]

12. As long as they own the voting machines...

who we run for President is of very little consequence.

[verdalaven]

13. Crazy

Then Bush can manipulate the vote to win again in 2008. I'm pretty sure I'd implode if that actually happened. Ick.

[genieroze]

14. Then we will never get rid of

You know who. Are you nuts? The elections will be Diebolded forever.

[forgethell]

15. If we can't

win a Presidential election, and lose seats in both Houses of Congress, how the hell do you think we will pass an amendment requiring a 2/3 vote in Congress and 3/4 (I think) of the state legislatures?

I don't mean to flame, really, but I see so many ideas of what to do that require substantially more political power than we currently possess. In 6 months, we won't even have a voice on the Supreme Court. Amendments? Impeachments? Recounts? Turning Electors? come back to Kansas, Dorothy. we need a better plan, a better candidate, and better ideas. A few black boxes going our way probably wouldn't jurt, either.

[AJH032]

18. But

Who's to say the idea would only get Democratic support? I know Rep. DeLay of Texas (R) supports changing it.

[forgethell]

21. That's true, of course, as

long as the opposition doesn't catch on to what it's really about.

[fasttense]

23. Repub think nothing of changing the constitution

The Repubs are pushing to change the Constitution to allow Schwaz....(however you spell his name, Gov. of Cal.) to run for president. Just what we need the Terminator in the White House. What is with Actors and Repubs anyway?

[forgethell]

26. Yeah, they will change the Constitution,

but not to please us!. And so what? There is nothing inherently wrong with changing the constitution. I'm not against eliminating term limits particularly. I just don't think this is a realistic goal, at this time. We don't have the power.

Of course, that's what they said about the ERA once, and now, see it there, enshrined in the Constitu..., no wait, it didn't make it. And that was at a time when liberalism was pretty triumphant, too. It's a hard thing to do, amend the constitution.

[mzmolly]

19. Why? So they can steal it again?

NADA chance!

[Overseas]

22. I agree!! They stole this one so easily, with so little struggle,

even managing to bully some otherwise progressive media into submission, that I would hate to allow Republicans to continue this lock on power.

[Rev_Karl]

20. Without the 22nd amendment

The reanimated corpse of Ronald Reagan would still be president today.

[genieroze]

24. LOL

ABB

[suston96]

27. The Twenty Second

Repeal it.

It is the only negative to our rights in the Constitution.

All term limits violate the right to self-governance.

Term limits are and have always been voter control devices and NOT incumbent control.

[Carl Brennan]

28. Mind if I puke?

In my very fucking humble opinion this topic was designed to get Du'ers off track from dealing with 2004.

:puke:

[ima_sinnic]

31. curious that there are about 3 ultra-newbies in this thread

who are the MOST ardently supporting this idea.

what's that smell? :eyes:

[Red State Blues]

33. Thanks for the warm welcome.

Look, I'm here because I'm upset over the voting irregularities and this seems to be the place where the action is. Hypothetically, if Clinton could run again I would vote for him. Hypothetically, if the rest of our electoral system was working properly then I would see no reason for the 22nd amendment. Realistically, overturning the 22nd amendment would be a really silly thing for the Democrats to focus on. Why did I post on this topic? Because it was there and I had something to say.

[aprillcm]

34. After a few moments of daydreaming about this..

I have to say my Husband and I are both frequently guilty of shouting Clinton For King :)

So what I am about to say pains me greatly, In order to put Clinton in I would do this but, since I vote for the future of my children I would have to say what happens when we get another control hungry monster like Bush in and there is no Clinton to oppose him and his forces of Evil, that thought in its self is enough to make me say not a good Idea, all our Presidents do not love this Country and ALL her people the way Clinton does for evidence look no farther than Bushes smirky face! We can never risk our children like this.