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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:02 PM
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I also calculated the probability of GOP fraud in the 2002 Senate races.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:11 PM by TruthIsAll
The same phenomena as today: The last weekend of polling heavily favored Dems who lost big to Repubs. The "anomalies" in that election (Max Cleland- GA, etc) forecast the 2004 election farce.

Past is Prologue.

THREE STOLEN ELECTIONS IN A ROW- 2000, 2002, 2004

WHEN THE HELL ARE THE DEMS GOING TO FIGHT BACK?

Will our so-called Democratic leaders stick their heads in the sand again? If they do, there won't be a Democratic Party in a position to be scammed in 2006 and beyond.


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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:09 PM
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1. Right on, dude!
There's also good research on 2002 at:
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/voting_machines.htm
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:34 PM
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2. Oh Truth is All. . .you're just so "reality based"
You and all these silly statistics. "Why should I bother my beautiful mind with those*?"

You're truly incorrigible.

Keep it up !

*(Mama Bush speaking on a morning show about all those unsightly and inevitably tragic body bags 3/03-for anyone-like anyone here hadn't heard. . . ?)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:47 PM
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3. The theft from Max Cleland was the canary in the coal mine
But most Americans were running around with their fingers in their ears and yelling, "la la la la la la la la la."

I knew it stunk. I could smell it all the way over here, and I'm in Oregon.

Thanks, TruthIsAll, DU's very own Diogenes.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:51 PM
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4. History repeats itself as the Ruling Elites laugh at our passivity
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:55 PM by Petrodollar Warfare
Apparantly VNS was so shocked by the exit polls versus the reported vote tabulations in Georgia that they actually halted the reporting of exit polls on election day. They held an emergency meeting that afternoon to figure what was happening, but could not figure out why their data was suddenly so off in the Senate and Gov. races...and I think around 5-6pm they made a statement:


VNS cites problems with exit polls
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/elec02.e... /

"VNS issued a statement saying it was "not satisfied with the accuracy of today's exit poll analysis and will not be in a position on election night to publish the results of state and national surveys of voter attitudes."

"CNN.com is committed to bringing you full exit poll results when available. However, Due to problems with exit polls from Voter News Service (VNS), no exit poll data is available for the 2002 elections."

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They assumed the results of Gerogia's brand-new Diebold machines were legitimate, and of course the VNS was disbanded soon after the 2002 election.
Hint:

"USA Today reported on Nov. 3, 2002, ‘In Georgia, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll shows Democratic Sen. Max Cleland with a 49%-to-44% lead over Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss. ‘Cox News Service, based in Atlanta, reported just after the election (Nov. 7) that, “Pollsters may have goofed” because ‘Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Max Cleland by a margin of 53 to 46 percent. The Hotline, a political news service, recalled a series of polls Wednesday showing that Chambliss had been ahead in none of them.’” Nearly every vote in the state was on an electronic machine with no audit trail."

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Importantly, VNS had accurate exit polls in Georgia and elsewhere from 1990 to 2000 (except in FL), but 2002 was a different story in both Gerogia and Minnesota, etc. Only one variable changed in GA - Diebold's auditless/paperless e-Voting technology. Hence, it was this very issue in Georgia that prompted Bev Harris to begin her research, start her website, and write a book: "Black box voting."

Remember, for two years Delay and Hastert killed in committee the provision to add paper audit trails to the HAVA bill...and unless we do something now we will soon be a happy-one Party nation in 2006 and 2008 where the Democrats are methodically relegated to 20% minority status in order to prop-up the image of democracy.

The ruling elites must be laughing at us here on DU, as we type away without engaging in action or holding Hastert, Delay or the media Execs accountable, they are probably smirking to themselves: "See, even the Little People know that all votes are equal, but SOME votes are MORE equal than others." Afterall, isn't that how it should be?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:42 PM
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6. Thanks, Petro. You do great work.
I forgot that VNS claimed a "glich" in the exit polls and never released them.

What an ongoing fiasco/nightmare.
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:34 PM
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5. Kick!
To all those who still doubt that this year's circus was a fraud, I recommend a crash course in recent U.S. history. This is what truly convinces me. Georgia 2002 stinks all the way to Tierra Del Fuego in the South to Baffin Island in the North.

This certainly doesn't prove fraud 2004, but it does affect how any rational person would go about assessing the probabilities. Notice that VNS's response was to hide their own data from the public. Obviously, we need to be protected from the facts. I wonder why?
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