Bev Harris in Volusia County Florida right now...

[AimeeMM]

She was in a 2hr meeting with the Supervisor of Elections this morning along with members of a new group, the Florida Fair Elections Coalition.

After the meeting, our founder came back to the office with bags of trash from the SOE because they found tapes from the op-scan machines thrown away that do not match the posted election results. Take a wild guess at who's favor the *extra* votes were in?

They went back to another meeting to show what was found. I'll post more when I know more. If you haven't already, please check out www.blackboxvoting.org and donate if you can. Bev is fantastic!

[eleny]

1. Thanks for the word!

[ewagner]

2. There's gotta be

some kind of official recognition or award we can nominate Bev for....she's tireless and dedicated.

Here's to you Bev :toast:

[Dora]

Like the Nobel Peace Prize?

I think she'd be a good candidate for that one!

[shaggy briard]

41. I hope she gets it

before that "accident" the repugs are planning

[Dora]

58. take that back!

No sense in vibing that juju towards our beloved Bev.

[shaggy briard]

63. taken back

just remember who we're up against

[Dora]

93. remembering every morning

every day

thanks.

[Hobbes199]

84. Absolutely

Nobel for Bev and a Pulitzer for Olbermann.

[goldengreek]

64. Pulitzer for sure.

And if she uncovers enough fraud to turn the election they should just hand it to her automatically over the next ten years.

[KansDem]

77. Good news and bad news regarding Pulitzer...

Good news is that the work of Bev Harris and her contributions fit into many PP catagories:

These are the Pulitzer Prize category definitions for the 2004 competition:

1. For a distinguished example of meritorious public service by a newspaper through the use of its journalistic resources which may include editorials, cartoons, and photographs, as well as reporting.

2. For a distinguished example of local reporting of breaking news.

3. For a distinguished example of investigative reporting by an individual or team, presented as a single article or series.

4. For a distinguished example of explanatory reporting that illuminates a significant and complex subject, demonstrating mastery of the subject, lucid writing and clear presentation.

5. For a distinguished example of beat reporting characterized by sustained and knowledgeable coverage of a particular subject or activity.

6. For a distinguished example of reporting on national affairs.

7. For a distinguished example of reporting on international affairs, including United Nations correspondence.

8. For a distinguished example of feature writing giving prime consideration to high literary quality and originality.

9. For distinguished commentary.

10. For distinguished criticism.

11. For distinguished editorial writing, the test of excellence being clearness of style, moral purpose, sound reasoning, and power to influence public opinion in what the writer conceives to be the right direction.

12. For a distinguished cartoon or portfolio of cartoons published during the year, characterized by originality, editorial effectiveness, quality of drawing, and pictorial effect.

13. For a distinguished example of breaking news photography in black and white or color, which may consist of a photograph or photographs, a sequence or an album.

14. For a distinguished example of feature photography in black and white or color, which may consist of a photograph or photographs, a sequence or an album.

http://www.pulitzer.org/


The bad news is PP judges vote using Diebold machines...

Hahahahaha, not really. Just kidding...:D

[jhgatiss]

79. Well...

Maybe if Keith Olbermann gets back from vacation to cover this, he can win one!

[loritooker]

87. you could nominate her for a MacArthur (genius) award.

[Dora]

95. Yes! Yes! Yes! YES!!!

Of course she deserves a MacArthur!

But, I understand the MacArthur foundation doesn't solicit nominations from just anyone. I think they have a pool of Especially-Talented-People-Who-Know to make the nominations, though I'm not sure of the process.


You are so freakin' smart, you deserve a MacArthur!

[Occulus]

3. Whaaa?

"...because they found tapes from the op-scan machines thrown away that do not match the posted election results."

Ick. Yikes.

Could you clarify? What did these "tapes" represent? What was on them?

[AimeeMM]

13. Sorry, should have clarified that a bit...

they are the tallies that the op-scan machines print at the end of the day. They look like register receipt tapes. They print all results for all elections in that precinct.

Basically, the precinct end results as printed by each Precinct Clerk at the end of the day did not match up with the posted precinct results by a lot more than could be considered some sort of weird, yet correctable and forgivable, error.

There could possibly be an explanation for this, but we don't know of one at this point and the SOE, Deanie Lowe, is not cooperative in the slightest sense of the word.

[crispini]

27. Yup, yup, we do the same with our opscan systems..

Got a register tape of my precinct's results here in my house. As do all judges in our county.

HEY, that's be someplace to look, FWIW.

[mzmolly]

127. Isn't it illegal to THROW AWAY THESE TAPES!?

Man alive! We have to keep tax records for 7 years ... :shrug:

[crispini]

155. Right-o, chap, and the judges

who keep the signed copies of the tapes in our houses have to keep them for TWO YEARS. That's the third of four copies we make.

PING! Someone tell Bev if she can't find the originals, IMO the judges there should have them... if they run their system like we do. Diff state, though.

[Ducks In A Row]

4. bags! in the trash!

oh but there isn't any EVIDENCE. CNN says so.


yeah Bev. Maybe Keith can get the producers to let you on the show when he gets back from vacation.

[musette_sf]

5. Happy happy joy joy

:kick:

[althecat]

6. Am fascinated... Here's a link to Volusia's place in the sun...

For people to catch up with...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

[Helga Scow Stern]

72. Breathtaking report about 2000.

I love this exchange:

"'Let me explain something,'Toobin quoted Gore as saying in his response to Bush. 'Your little brother is not the ultimate authority on this.'"

And then Bush hung up on Gore.

[IAMREALITY]

96. What I wouldn't give to have that soundbyte!!!! n/t

[Straight Shooter]

7. Tapes thrown away that don't match the posted election results?

On whose authority were those tapes thrown away, and just exactly from whom did they get their orders?

Without Democrats, democracy would die.

[wickywom]

8. What is up with this Bartcop claim...

that she settled the CA lawsuit so Diebold wouldn't have to make changes to the machines... and that she sold special impeachment cigars?

Anyone?

[ParanoidPat]

65. As usual, Bart is talking out his.......

.......:kick: :evilgrin:

Bev Harris, Jim March turn down California Qui Tam settlement

He owes Bev an apology!

There's a thread kicking around from July 2, 2003 where he made similar claims about Bev and DUers when we claimed that the machines were indeed hackable. He called us liars then and has never apologized since.

[wickywom]

118. Yes he does.

[bemis12]

9. From two weeks ago?

They found trash still there from two weeks ago? That sure seems odd.

[AimeeMM]

21. Very odd, but I went through it myself so I KNOW its true

[jsamuel]

117. They may have only recently thrown it away...

[Birthmark]

10. But Kerry won Volusia County

Last I knew anyway. If that's changed, then let me know, cause that would be a dead giveaway. This is a very Democratic county and very, very few Dixiecrats.

[AimeeMM]

17. Kerry BARELY won a very Liberal County...

Gore won by 14K but Kerry only won by 3K. No way that's right.

I'll post more later, have to go.

[Birthmark]

75. Please keep apprised of the situation.

Feel free to PM me.

Let me point out though, that the population of Volusia Co. has grown a lot in the last four years. But I have no idea what the demographic make up of the new residents is.

[spotbird]

18. Skimming my dear, skimming. nt

[Carolab]

29. Yes

all over the place--a little here, a little there, enough not to force recounts, etc.

But they needed a lot to get the "mandate", cuz the turnout was so heavy. A few hundred to a thousand per county all over the map and bingo you've got a 3.6 million margin.

[DoYouEverWonder]

56. Exactly, skimming is the word

much harder to notice or prove when it's across the board.

But the results of this election are too consistent. A plus 5, minus 5 in each direction reverses things quiet nicely.

[txindy]

73. That's one of the operative words right there -- skimming

The other being 'padding'. As in, skimming Kerry's votes and padding Junior's. Alittle bit there, a wee bit there. It all adds up.

I wonder how it feels to be J*b and have to risk everything to clean up after his older brother. Again. As if GW would ever do that for J*b. Never in this life.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. still could effect the overall state total

If he wins the county but not all votes are tabulated

[crispini]

11. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

go Bev go! go Bev go!

Jeez, if this comes out before it's too late, I'll get drunk for a week.

Hey, isn't Florida's election going to be certified today or tomorrow? I thought I heard that somewhere? So doesn't that mean that the clock is running for someone to ask for a recount? How can they say it's certified with all of this crap still going on?

[YellowDoginthehouse]

12. THANKS, AIMEE!

For the update!

:hi:

[blitzburgh55]

14. So they're were too stupid

to burn the evidence? LMAO.

[distantearlywarning]

36. *Crossing my fingers and hoping that this is true*

n/t

[Malva Zebrina]

15. Who is the founder of the Florida Fair Elections committee?

never heard of them. Members? Officials? got any? The trash was able to be carted off the premises with the blessings of the SOE? Or did they pick them up from the dumpster? Is that legal? Is this covered in any newspaper? Got a picture of that garbage and the bags anywhere?
Would love to know the answers to these questions before I contribute any money to BBV. How about if a reporter were sent to you or a neutral third party present to observe this garbage collecting that is proof, or not proof, of any fraud?

[AimeeMM]

20. Its the disgruntled members of the Volusia Democrats

who know the election was stolen.

[spotbird]

24. Is there a group like that in Ohio?

Where does one go to start it?

[YellowDoginthehouse]

45. CASE Ohio

They have website, google it.

[Malva Zebrina]

26. thanks but names? Leaders? Statement of purpose?

anything to give it credence at all?

[AimeeMM]

152. It is a new group

There were several members of the Democratic base in Volusia Co. that didn't want to shut down the office and then try to regroup in 2006 before the Governor's election. They wanted to keep the momentum going instead. It is really just local people who are extremely dedicated to taking back our country beginning in our county. It has really just formed in the last week and the charter is currently being laid out. I'll be working on a website and will post a link when its ready for unveiling.

[fasttense]

161. Thanks for the Info

[BlueInRed]

163. self-deleted

um, never mind

[Wordie]

32. AimeeMM, do you have the physical proof?

[AimeeMM]

153. Bev Harris and FFEC have it in their hands. I saw it.

[Sanity Claws]

22. Trash

Trash is abadoned property. Sure, it's fair game.

[Malva Zebrina]

28. are you sure? Even if it is in a dumpster that is paid for by the party

in question? I know where I am, it is not permitted. Is that the way we are to prove voter fraud by rummaging in garbage and finding papers of which we know not a thing so far, except the titillation of a question of guess who benifitted? I think not. I think Bev Harris better provide something better than that to those who contribute to her garbage sifting operation with an ad hoc group of disgruntled Democrats

[tbuddha]

37. yes...garbage is fair game

I don't care where you are at. Garbage is garbage. No one OWNS it, it's garbage. PIs go through it all the time. Police use garbage all the time. Any detective worth his salt checks garbage. Sloppy criminals get caught this way all the time. Republicans are very sloppy criminals.

[Malva Zebrina]

44. If that is the way a recount is done

with nothing to show us except verbal accounts, aided by an ad hoc organisation of disgruntled Democrats, no account of how many of them, and with little teasers such as guess who benefitted, and followed by please donate to BBV, then I am out.

It is just silly drama at this point.

What was said at the two hour meeting Harris had with the SOE? That would have been better information

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[demodonkey]

61. This is the way investigation is done.

Black Box Voting is a registered non-profit organization. Look it up.

If YOU don't want to donate, then please, don't part with your money.

This fool wants to help.

[ParanoidPat]

86. Don't let the door hit ya'.......

.......:evilgrin: Buh bye! :hi:

Just a silly drama? Talk about fools!

[aquart]

151. Malva, you sound like talking points.

"Ad hoc."

"Disgruntled."

"Silly drama."


Why is that?

[DoYouEverWonder]

92. Plus FL is a Sunshine Law state

all records, whether they are in the garbage or not are public record.

[keepthemhonest]

16. how do you know this?

do you know her personally? I was wondering what she was up to ,no updates on her site since, nov 13(sat)

please tell us more it gives me hope to keep going.

this voter fraud is consuming me right now. I just can't stop thinking about it all. Definately addicted to this site.was in withdrawl when it went down last nite

[AimeeMM]

25. Because I was there. Saw her with my own eyes. Held the trash in my hands

[Wordie]

30. Somebody needs to notify all the media. Right away! Are there photos?

Or any other corroborating data? That would be important and more convincing than word-of-mouth. If true, this is it! This is the smoking gun!

[ParanoidPat]

112. The press doesn't need to know squat yet.......

.......until such a time as all of this has been sorted and matched with the posted and certified results and the actions of the county elections officials have been explained.

For reasons of confidentiality I can't comment on why I believe this happened beyond a doubt, but I do. :evilgrin:

Perhaps one day the entire 'behind the scenes' account of 'The Adventures of Bev and Andy' will be told but for now I'll just say that this fits in nicely. :)

To elections officials, Bev is the rabbit from "Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail" reincarnated.

Beneath that humble, grandmotherly exterior......trust me on this, you don't want to know what she's capable of!

Just be glad that she is, and that she's on our side. :toast:

[Wordie]

121. But the deadlines are coming up fast. If there is physical proof here, it

is just what is needed to convince those who call all of this "conspiracy theory." Consequently, if it really is proof, it needs to come out NOW.

Is this REALLY definitive proof? Or is it something that is simply suspicious? There is a big difference, obviously. I want this to be true, but am concerned it may not meet the tests for proof.

[AimeeMM]

154. Our little local paper was there. :)

The DeLand Beacon came in, they are very liberal. In fact, a photo of me going through the documents may end up in the paper. I'm sure the Daytona News-Journal will pick up on it soon and we'll see where it goes from there. I'm going to see who we can get in contact with tomorrow.

[ParanoidPat]

158. I found their web site.......

......I'll keep an eye on it! http://www.delandbeacon.com/ :hi:

[keepthemhonest]

67. can't get anymore definative than that

[tbuddha]

23. GO BEV GO!!

[colonel odis]

31. don't take a plane back home, bev.

if she's getting close to anything, they'll snuff her out like a bug.

never, ever forget the type of people in the white house. please be careful, bev.

[Carl Brennan]

100. Whew!! That's what worries me too!!

But no matter what the fascists try now the fight goes on.

[ParanoidPat]

33. Dumpster diving for democracy!

That's why I love her! :loveya: :evilgrin:

It would seem someone attempted to eliminate part of the public record of the vote count. :(

Now why oh why would they do that? :shrug:

[nolabels]

66. Dumpster diving is a way of life for some

As a truck mechanic I once took up a job working for a garbage company. The Drivers were some pretty smart folks in many ways. They would find some real treasures just about everyday (but man was it a nasty job otherwise). Be careful what you throw away, it might end up in someone else's hand who might want it more than you ever did.

[saddemocrat]

34. holy crap

Will she be releasing this info on her website soon? Do you have any idea of how big of a difference in votes it was?
WOW!

[jhgatiss]

40. My thought...

If you have something tangible, scan it to make electronic copies and post it so many people on here can have backup copies in case something "happens" to the originals....

[GregD]

35. AimeeMM - Get the election night "Cumm Reports"

as well as the "vote tablulator audit logs" please.

Please contact me. I want to get this to someone I'm working closely with.

[republikkkon]

38. if this is true you just made my day n/t

[Mister K]

39. This is gonna take some time people....

I think we are all being a little impatient here. If this were a trial, we would be in the Discovery phase. Nothing more. I would love to see all of this stuff hit the press and make everyone take notice, but it won't happen yet.

Bev is collecting evidence, hordes of it...and pretty soon she will create a front so thick that you could not cut it with a flamethrower.

Keep in mind, we only need to prove fraud, yes fraud, in one district. Or at least have credible evidence that could be a foundation for a trial. If this happens, the people in that district will get outraged and demand that something be done about it. After that, district, after district will demand an investigation and the lawsuits will fly...and then the criminal investigations with follow.

Patience people. Patience.

[jhgatiss]

43. This certainly adds credence...

To the need for a FL statewide recount. The original ballots still exist right? Rescan or handcount and check versus official totals. Disagreement and... Voila! Fraud proven! (If you can show intent... :()

[Mister K]

52. Is finding evidice in a garbage can proof?

Could be.....

At minimum, its destruction of public property. Voting logs.

[jhgatiss]

55. Well...

I just looked it up and Velusia County does use precinct based counts of the optical scan ballots. From what I understand, these tapes recovered from the trash are the printouts created at the precinct before or immediately after the votes were transmitted to the central Board of Elections office. If someone were going into the GEMS central tabulator software and changing those numbers then you wouldn't expect them to agree with the precinct printouts. It certainly jives with some of the thoughts I've had about how this could happen.

It really could be the break we've been looking for...

[Mister K]

59. Yep. I think we will be seeing more of Bev in the coming days.

This should get some national exposure by the end of the week. I hope she is ready when it hits the fan.

[jsamuel]

82. Screw a trial! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH HASTE!

[neohippie]

42. Take out the papers and the trash, Yackety Yak Let's Talk Back!

So we are a throw away society, where even your vote gets thrown away!

[Straight Shooter]

51. LOL!

Now I'll have that song in my head for an hour :)

[Mister K]

60. When I hear that song..

I have an image of Arnold singing that song on a plane from the movie Twins.

[John Q. Citizen]

99. That's agreat meme, neohippie!

[IAMREALITY]

46. The Plot Thickens...

Bev is just amazing... Anybody have a picture of her that can be posted? I'm curious to see the face of one of the only people I have come across in life worthy of true admiration.

[jhgatiss]

47. You can watch her in action...

at votergate.tv!

[althecat]

48. Here's a wee un

[YellowDoginthehouse]

49. NO!!!!

Don't anyone post photos of Bev, PLEASE! Let's keep her safe in her anonymity. The people who want to stop her will do ANYTHING to do so!

[Mister K]

53. I am sure she is being watched closely by both sides

[IAMREALITY]

54. Let's Be Real Here

The last thing Bev has done is made herself anonymous LOL I'm sure her adversaries know her quite well already, especially since she even went on TV with Dean and showed the world how easy it is to hack Evoting.

[ramblin_dave]

89. Photo of Harris...

Here she is, track her down, chase her around the block...

[mirandapriestly]

91. It looks like she had work done. n/t

[loritooker]

98. Honey, that's not Bev Harris

[Stephanie]

101. LOL!

God, Cruella had a makeover. Brand new nose!!

[mahina]

106. bwahahahaha

thanks, I needed a smile...

[ParanoidPat]

116. ROTFLMFAO!

Good one! :evilgrin: :thumbsup: :toast:

[DURHAM D]

119. I laughed out loud. Thank you so much. n/t

[YellowDoginthehouse]

123. Yep, that's her!

;)

[life_long_dem]

137. yuk, looks like someone that got run over by a car . N/T

[KatieB]

166. Bev's face

Watch the video--> www.votergate.tv/
She is a graceful sole

[juajen]

177. She's a graceful fish!!!

I know, I know, I'm such a pest.

Right now, Bev is the most beautiful person I know, and she will remain so. Brave, courageous and, possibly, in danger. If they smite her in any way it would be so obvious that I think she's safe. Take no chances, though, please Bev, be very careful.

[dkofos]

50. I'm shocked

[YellowDoginthehouse]

57. Kick

:kick:

[ElementaryPenguin]

62. Bev Harris is America's Lech Walesa!!!

We can't possibly heap enough praise on this incredibly patriotic woman!!

Thanks, Bev!!!

:toast:

[RagingInMiami]

68. I live in Miami

And I want to join the Florida Fair Elections Committee. I'm a former newspaper reporter who knows how to fight for public records. Let me know how to join.

[ElementaryPenguin]

69. Go to blackboxvoting.org!

And Welcome!!!

[RagingInMiami]

70. I did send them an e-mail about a week ago

But they never got back to me. I understand they're probably swamped right now, but if they're in my area, I can just meet them in person.

[ParanoidPat]

Please re send that e-mail!

Bev's server was hacked last week and crew the database and e-mail archives were partially destroyed in an attempt to slow down the recount efforts. The server has since been moved to an ISP that specializes in high profile 'targeted' web sites. :)

[Carl Brennan]

102. The Erin Brokovich of Election Fraud.

[IndyPriest]

71. Where are the Dems???

Who the hell runs elections in Volusia County?! Aren't there any Dems on that committee??

[sce56]

74. http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22

Yes. Something very strange happened in Volusia County on election night November 2000, the night that first Gore won Florida, then Bush, and then as everybody can so well remember there was a tie.

Something strange indeed. But what exactly? In the above report ( click for full version), written days after the election, hotshot Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank goes on to attribute the strange 16,022 negative vote tally from Volusia's precinct 216 to an apparently innocent cause.

"…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed," he wrote.

But thanks to recent investigations into Black Box Voting by Washington State writer Bev Harris we now know this explanation is not correct. In fact it is not even in the ballpark.

According to recently discovered internal Diebold Election Systems memos, Global Election Systems' (which was later purchased by Diebold) own technical staff were also stumped by the events in Volusia County/

In Chapter 11 of her new book "Black Box Voting In the 21st Century" released early today in .PDF format at Blackboxvoting.com and here at Scoop Ms Harris observes.


"If you strip away the partisan rancor over the 2000 election, you are left with the undeniable fact that a presidential candidate conceded the election to his opponent based on a second card that mysteriously appears, subtracts 16,022 votes, then just as mysteriously disappears."
Working in parallel with Ms Harris Scoop has also been inquiring into the events on election night in Volusia county. Much of the material that follows is similar to that which appears in Chapter 11 of her book.

The starting point in this shocking discovery about election 2000 came in a series of internal Diebold ES technical support memos.

The following is an abbreviated version of the exchange concerning the peculiar events in Volusia county. For the purposes of research the exchange is included in full as an Appendix to this report (APPENDIX TWO). The discussion took place in early 2001 as an audit was underway in Volusia county into the events.


**********
(NOTE: The names below each extract link to the full text of the emails in the appendices below.)


I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here "looking dumb".
Lana Hires – Volusia County Florida - January 17, 2001 8:07 AM

My understanding is that the card was not corrupt after (or before) upload. They fixed the problem by clearing the precinct and re-uploading the same card. So neither of these explainations washes. That's not to say I have any idea what actually happened, its just not either of those…

The problem is its going to be very hard to collect enough data to really know what happened. The card isn't corrupt so we can't post-mortem it (its not mort).

Ken Clark – Diebold ES R&D Manager – January 18, 2001 1:41 PM

- the negative numbers on media display occurred when Lana attempted to reupload a card or duplicate card. Sophia and Tab may be able to shed some light here, keeping in mind that the boogie man may me reading our mail. Do we know how this could occur?

[truehawk]

94. Good Grief!!!

[renate]

120. OMG!!! I never heard of this

and I've been following everything to do with this election since August 2003. How did this story not make every front page in the entire free world??
Stupid CNN....:mad:

[bobbieinok]

140. this has been an ongoing drama for months, covered here at DU

the weirdest thing was that an incredibly large nos of internal Diebold memos and emails were dumped on the internet and then downloaded by various groups and people over the world.

Student groups at various colleges had them at their web sites; Diebold threatened the schools with lawsuits if the adms didn't shut down the web sites. I think Swarthmore was the first school up and threated.

Has/will anyone write a book about this???

[renate]

167. thank you, bobbieinok...

...for the update! I had of course heard about black box voting and Diebold and everything, but I mean this specific story about the 2000 election was new to me. It seems so outrageous. But then I guess we'd need real media if we expected this to get much coverage.

[keepthemhonest]

76. we definately need more evidence like this

yup BEV is a hero in my book.good work

[HEAVYHEART]

81. Absolutely

She's my hero no doubt. Go Bev!!!!!

[lawladyprof]

78. Is it even legal to throw those tally-thingies away? eom

[ParanoidPat]

83. No, they constitute part of the 'public record'.......

.......regardless of any subsequent documents that were produced. They were created by State employees while working 'on the clock' in the public interest. I'm quite sure they would be covered by public records retention policy.

I think we all should be headed down to our local board of elections offices to do a little "dumpster diving for democracy". :)

[markusd]

80. Thanks! / What organization are you with?

Thanks for the info - this is VERY intriguing. I have found the Florida results to be not credible ever since election night, I know a lot of people in Florida and nobody there expected a decisive Bush victory. I just don't buy it, so this post makes a lot of sense to me.

You said "our founder" in your post - can you clarify what organization you're with, if you don't mind my asking?

[demo dutch]

85. Vote was certified very quietly

in Florida over the weekend. How does that impact Bev's investigation?

[truehawk]

97. I think the vote has to be certified before Recount

[demo dutch]

105. Once certified you have to challenge in court

That was the problem in 2000. Harris certified the vote count pending the results of oversees absentee ballots. She rejected manual recounts in four Florida counties because they were not justified according to Harris and thus she did not accept the results. Gore then had to challenge the certification in court, and we all know what happend after that.

[lthuedk]

109. Can't this "challenge" circumvented by criminal prosecution?

[demo dutch]

113. Propbably

but it's going to take a large "defend fund"

[burn the bush]

104. bev had to wait til they were certified to act

you can't object to the election results until they call them final. Then I think in Fl. u have ten days to object to them. Bev knew all that before she went there.

[demo dutch]

107. It will become another court battle

Ok so it will end up in court if she finds substantial evidence. I think there is a deadline of Dec. 12 for the whole thing.

[bobbieinok]

139. read somewhere at DU 'behind closed doors'

[milkyway]

88. Thanks, AimeeMM. To clarify, when you say "our founder" came back, are

you speaking of the founder of Florida Fair Elections Coalition, or are you speaking of Bev?

Also, do you know if these discarded tapes had any date/time indication?

I know Bev had posted recently that she had planned on making her findings available to the public as they occur, but she changed that policy because it made officials more reluctant to speak with her. Is she o.k. with you posting this information? No offense, but I just want to make sure you're aware of the issue.

Thanks again. It's great to see some Florida Dems are going after these guys.

[JohnnyCougar]

90. can this be verified?

[confusa]

103. Look what I found in my desk?!?!?

While Bev is down there, might want to check in people's desks!!

http://stpetetimes.com/2004/11/16/Tampabay/Pinellas_ballot_box_s.shtml

Can't post a new thread yet sadly.

[demo dutch]

111. Only the tip of the iceberg

It is only the tip of the iceberg! There are tons of articles!!

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/11/10/s1a_provisional_1110.html

http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=3834

[CantGetFooledAgain]

115. This is exactly the kind of thing that concerns me most...

Paper records discarded...
Misplaced ballot boxes...
Who knows what other shenanigans are going on!

Our effort can't succeed unless all existing paper records are preserved! What is being done to secure them?

Thank God for Bev Harris. She seems to know where to go and what to look for at all times. Go Bev!

Anyone that would throw out documentation, any documentation, that pertains to election results SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.

On the other hand, this might be planted disinformation. I'm sure that Bev will proceed with caution.

[Shalom]

108. 2000 Volusia 53/45 for Dem vs. 2004 Volusia 50.5/49.9

I hope someone checks my math, but it appears that while Gore's margin over Bush in Volusia 2000 was about 8%, Kerry's margin in Volusia 2004 was only about 1.65%.

This means that Kerry margin was about 6.4% lower than Gore's.

If Kerry had the same 8% margin as Gore, he would have had about another 15,000 votes.

Just something to ponder....

[jbnow]

147. Here are my notes

Volusia county:
Optical Scan: Precinct-Based Diebold Election Systems
Bush +4 Kerry/Gore -2
2000
GORE 97,313 53%
BUSH 82,368 45%
2004
Kerry 114,986 51%
Bush 111,263 49%

[pa28]

110. Bev, I have a little message for you.

:yourock:

[Baja Margie]

114. Thank you & done.

[BlackVelvet04]

122. The Next Big Thing?

I thought this was very interesting. This is an excerpt from a Maureen Farrell article entitled The Next Big Thing.


Scandal: Though the scandals bubbling beneath the surface of this administration do not yet rise to Presidential penis level, they nevertheless involve matters of national security (Plamegate), the rule of law (Abu Ghraib), threats to democracy (Votergate) and war and peace (Yellowcakegate). "At some point in the next four years there will be a great scandal that will make Watergate look like a fraternity prank. All the elements are already in place," Salon.com recently asserted. " has never been so beautifully set up than now for a cataclysmic, Nixon-like fall," Mark Morford wrote.

[TexasChick]

148. Wow! n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

124. Here is a report from Volusia County

After a day of furious auditing Bev, Andy and Kathleen of Black Box Voting have found discrepant results in Volusia county. At this time we have had an attorny LOCK DOWN all poll tapes, memory cartridges and the GEMS central tabulator. The discrepant results were concentrated in mainly minority areas. We are currently going through trash obtained early this morning by Bev and Kathleen Wynne via a FOIA request. At one point they were threatened with arrest but avoided it narrowly (Bev will do a full report later). Black Box Voting will be issuing a press release later today. This is it folks...the first crack in Florida.

Andy

[noonriser]

126. Woohoo!!!

And a big KICK!

:kick:

[michigandem2]

129. Go Bev GO!!!!! Thanks for the update...

[ParanoidPat]

131. Andy, Andy, Andy.......

.......You BAD DOG you! :spank: :evilgrin:

Now look what you've done! Now you've got them picking up your bad habits! :)

I don't know how we can ever thank you guys. (and gals!)

Just for reference, Bev likes a good Merlot, Andy likes Tequila, and I'm not sure what Kathleen drinks but I'm sure someone will let us know. ;-) :toast::toast::toast:

[mzmolly]

133. Wow Andy.

GO GET EM! :toast:

YOU GUYS SO ROCK!

[sled]

125. COLLIER COUNTY, FL: Software glitch blamed for delay in election results

Sorry, if this has been posted somewhere, before...I forgot about it, but it showed up, right after the "election".

***********************************************

Software glitch blamed for delay in election results

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/article/0,2071,NPDN_14940_3303306,00.html

By CATHY ZOLLO
November 4, 2004

The touchscreen voting machines were fine in Collier County's general
election.

It was the software on a separate computer that is used for tabulating
results that was home to the problem.

That problem delayed election results in the county by about three
hours Tuesday night.

The glitch went something like this:

Elections officials pulled voting information off the ES&S IVotronic
machines and fed it into the Dell computer where it would be made into
a report about voting results.

The Dell had been used to go through some dry runs ahead of balloting
on Tuesday, but those numbers were supposed to be deleted from the
machine, or "zeroed out." But a file containing numbers that had not
been deleted was added to the vote totals, throwing off the results.

The problem showed up when officials compared the first report off the
Dell with another report pulled together from the same sources of
information but on a different computer.

"It made my numbers look weird, and I said OK stop, we're not going to
pump out a bad report," said Gary Beauchamp, deputy assistant
supervisor of elections for Collier County.

[aquart]

175. A Dell?

Which would be how hard to break into?

[sled]

178. First I've seen

That's the first report I'd seen, where bogus numbers were actually reported to be on the "tabulator", and added to the actual total count. Wondered if that might point to the "hack", everybody seems to believe, occurred.

[Digit]

128. It would be interesting to get fingerprints.

Ya know what I mean?

[BevHarris]

130. I will post a short report in General Discussion right now

on what really happened in Volusia County so far.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting (.ORG)

[ParanoidPat]

132. Thanks Bev!

:kick:

[bleever]

134. Kick!

[joeunderdog]

135. I gave at your office.

YOu're my Hero(in)

[TexasChick]

141. Bev, you are making history! You're a Supastah!!!! n/t

[Malva Zebrina]

143. So where is the post? I have been looking and waiting and see nothing

at all from Bev Harris on the GD explaining what is being done in Florida except for reports of garbage sifting on this thread by a group of ad hoc disgruntled Democrats.

It has been two hours since we were promised this explanation and report that you said was going to be "right now"

???

[rockedthevoteinMA]

145. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2704906

[Malva Zebrina]

146. thank you nt

[fearnobush]

165. Bev's post is now up at BBV.org

<http://www.blackboxvoting.org/>

[JD Lau]

172. I could not get in to BBV tonight.

Will try again through your link.

[JD Lau]

173. Still can't. eom

[EndElectoral]

136. Can see why Bev's there after looking at the figs

Seems Kerry's margin should have been at least 10,000 to 12,000 higher.


114,986 – Kerry – 48.85 - a 3,500 diff in repub and dem votes in 2004
111,263 – Bush – 51.49

District Age Analysis for Volusia on 11-02-04 under Voter Registration Totals from Volusia County site.

126,405 – DEM’s
111,372 – REP’s
62,640 – NON-P
9.513 – OTHER
309,930 – TOTAL - A 15,000 dif between registered Repubs and Dems.

2000 Vote Totals - Notice a 15,000 diff in repub and dem votes in 2000

Bush 82,368
Gore 97,313
Nader 2,910

1996 Totals - A 15,000 diff in repub and dem votes in 1996

Clinton 78,905
Dole 63,067
Perot 17,319

[genieroze]

138. Contact Kerry

[jasmineblue]

142. Kick!!

[Jimdish25]

144. Get Ready!

As the cracks begin to appear in the scandal, expect a few people to get nervous and go on the attack just like DeLay's thugs did to shut down the recount in 2000.

We need to be prepared to do two things:

1. Support the vote counters through donations, volunteering and pressure on the media.

2. Be prepared to bang on some doors to make sure they don't drop the curtain on this entire project by sending in their goons the way they did last time.

If there's a widespread vote-skimming fraud this is likely to be a long and ugly battle. How's your stomach?

[TexasChick]

150. It's been sour for the last 4 years! So, I say, let's rock!!! n/t

[aquart]

168. Rumbling. Wants red meat.

[jhgatiss]

149. I'm worried....

I'm worried this is getting out there so soon. Is this too much too soon? What if people are destroying similar evidence in other counties? Shouldn't we be talking about injunctions and lockdowns on a statewide scale?

[Bonescrat]

156. Agreed.

But she did post it on DU and she must know how many
people read this stuff...lets hope it was well thought out....

[Bonescrat]

157. Agreed.

But she did post it on DU and she must know how many
people read this stuff...lets hope it was well thought out....

[KnowerOfLogic]

164. Yeah, they're gonna say it was "just this one precinct, or one

county."

[CementDude]

159. Bev Harris -VS- Volusia - Round 2?

(I posted this as a reply to another thread, but this may be a better place to ask)

I've been following the BBV site and was surprised this latest development hasn't been posted there yet. Regardless, I have a couple of questions upon which I hope some can shed some light:

1) I understand Bev Harris has been to Volusia after the 2000 fiasco because of a similar issue:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

quote - "…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed,"

At the time it was Precinct 216. Now the problem seems to be "next door" in Precint 215 and may very well be blamed on a "faulty" memory card, as was the excuse in 2000. So my question is, since we're dealing with the same cast of characters over at Valusia, are we (mostly Bev) assuming that they (Volusia's BOE) didn't learn their 2000 lesson and are continuing to commit fraud? If so, why didn't Bev Harris' 2000 fraud audit produce enough evidence to convict someone?

2) To the issue of all these "polling tapes" being found in the trash, with apparently different versions or "sets" of the same data, I found this article:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Politics/LocalGov/03AreaHEAD02LOPOL110504.htm

quote - "Post-election 2004 in Volusia County churned into its second day Thursday, with a 228,000-vote recount and concerns about possible voter fraud."

Seems Volusia already did a machine recount of *all* ballots (228,000+ ballots - all precincts) because of a disputed local election. Would this recount produce a new set of tapes? If so, how does this factor into Bev's recent account of what she found.

-- OK, another question --

3) Are Bev Harris's efforts better served at this "scene of the crime" which was a fruitless effort in 2000, or perhaps are her services more needed in Ohio where there is a more likely chance to overturn the electoral votes?

Thanks all!

[caligirl]

162. Your article isn't available on line at the posted addy

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New


Why don't you post the date and more of the article since it doesn't come up at the addy you gave.



:evilgrin: :

[CementDude]

160. Bev Harris -VS- Volusia - Round 2?

Sorry about the bad link (Recount of Volusia) so I fixed my posts. Here is the link again:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Politics/LocalGov/03AreaHEAD02LOPOL110504.htm

Weird - the link isn't coming up right!

Here is some info on the article if you want to google it:

****************

Recount officials wary of fraud

By JAMES MILLER
Staff Writer

Last update: November 05, 2004

DELAND -- Post-election 2004 in Volusia County churned into its second day Thursday, with a 228,000-vote recount and concerns about possible voter fraud.

.....

****************

[truehawk]

169. I think that all the logs are supposed to be retained.

It will be interesting to compare the Recount with the original too.

Can't wait to compare the two sets of data.

[vet 65 69]

170. on election night close of polls

they only had 209,052 turnout, i have this saved in ms word if you want a copy. a few days later when i checked again they had added 20,000 more to the turnout i new then they were f%&king with the vote

[YellowDoginthehouse]

171. You guys have to see this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/16/225713/53

They're talking about Chuck Herrin's Hack the Vote website.

[JD Lau]

174. I like it on the bottom of Herrin's website where he

states: All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.

No smiley available for clapping hands....

[regularjoe]

176. Kick!

[sled]

179. BREAKING NEWS: Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia

Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Politics/Headlines/03PoliticsPOL03111704.htm

Staff Report

Last update: November 17, 2004

For those who thought the 2004 election was over: Surprise.

Representatives of a Seattle-based organization investigating possible
election fraud visited the Volusia County elections department Tuesday
after being provided reprints of voting machine records instead of
originals.

The activist group, Black Box Voting, is conducting investigations of
voting records throughout the United States, said Bev Harris, its
executive director. Volusia County is its first Florida stop.

"We just look at it as an audit," she said Tuesday afternoon as a
British documentary crew filmed officials securing records for review
today.

[JudyM]

181. The Brits are filming a documentary on this? Excellent! n/t

[RhodaGrits]

180. kick