If fraud can be shown, then a new election is the only solution!!

[Road Scholar]

IMHO nothing less will do to restore faith in democracy.

[MrUnderhill]

1. How does one GET a "new election"?

Our system only allows for a failed election to be decided by the Congress.

There simply isn't time for a "do over".

[Road Scholar]

4. It would get messy if fraud could be shown, therefore it would

seem that amendments could be made for calender exceptions for the electoral college.If fraud IS shown, it IS REALLY gonna get excitin' around here.

[Lone Pawn]

2. Sorry, it's not going to happen.

It's never happened before. If it can be proven that JK won OH in time, his electors would switch over after a court battle. But that's not going to happen. If the electors don't switch before the college votes, Bush gets in. Hell, we could find out the day after the college votes him in that he only got 3 votes in America and constitutionally he'd be our president.

[truehawk]

3. The petition thread is for REVOTE

[ima_sinnic]

5. I agree . . . and by writing a name on a piece of paper, folding it,

and putting it in a slot in a locked box.
--nothing more, nothing less--

[damntexdem]

6. The Bushistas could care less about that.

And in any case, so long as there is an Electoral College, there is no democracy, anyway.

Even if fraud is shown to have swung the election (in either Ohio or Florida, or both), nothing will be done. There will certainly be no new election.

Dubya may well use his 'political capital' to ensure that there's no election in 2008, either.

[nmoliver]

7. A better solution than a new election

I don't agree with calling for a new election if fraud is established.

First of all, it won't happen, as there is no constitutional authority for it. A disputed election is resolved by the House of Representatives, which will install Bush again.

The candidates would re-campaign? Bush would raise issues like "sore loser" and so forth, possibly convincing gullible voters.

Let's use a solution that is tried and true. It's constantly being used against minority voters.

If the votes are no good, THROW THEM OUT!

They are called "spoiled ballots". In 2000, there were 2 million "spoiled ballots", half of them from black voters.

When they throw these votes out, they don't say - Oh! x number of African-Americans lost their franchise because of those hanging chads or butterfly ballots! Better hold a new election!

They just throw them out. Tough beans, colored folk. Pick a number from 1 to 10. Wrong - you lose.

If a precinct's results are proved fraudulent, and there is no way to recount the actual tallies, then the totals for the whole precinct have to be THROWN OUT, just like spoiled ballots always are.

If a precinct that really went for Kerry is submitted as 53-47 for Bush, and fraud is proved for that precinct, THROW THE VOTES OUT FOR THAT PRECINCT.

I wonder how many precincts will get junked that went for Kerry, that should have gone for Bush? Minus three?

- Nina

[newyawker99]

14. Hi nmoliver!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[republikkkon]

8. if fraud can be shown

the perps should get their asses thrown in prison. are you serious that you would want to give them another chance at being (s)elected?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Only after Bush & Co are marched off to jail

then the remaining remnants of the REP party can figure out what to do with themselves, while we clean up the big mess they've left us.

[KnowerOfLogic]

10. Using what kind of voting machines? Every Black Box should

destroyed. We need hard, paper copies of every vote; and they should be of a form that would be very difficult and time-consuming to mass-produce or alter.

[savetheuniverse]

11. UN Convention on Genocide

United States became a member in 1988, when Ronnie finally signed us up for that...
Frankly, I am tired of looking at them, thinking about them, pursuing them.
The case has already been made. They did not win the election and we have already wasted far too much of our own time and money.....
Kick them out.
Move on.
Get on with our lives
Start building cleanup crews (we certainly have gotten some practice there; some more than others;)
Consider trying members of the press for complicity in the crimes.
Force them to reimburse us for every penny they have cost us...
Do not do them the favor of given them the death penalty
Rikers or bust, baby! Better yet...you know where.
I have deadlines to meet. Books to write. The time to Moveon is now.
i'm sick and tired of no child left alive.

Some of these questions are now on pen. -- pls go for the gold, fuck the chimp change and let justice rain down now.

[AJH032]

12. If Bush himself is found to be connected to the fraud...

he may be impeached or forced to resign.

[nmoliver]

13. If Bush is found connected ...

I'd like people to get a better understanding of what is going on.

First of all, Bush personally is a front man for these crimes. His operatives have committed them. He squeaks thru on everything.

Second of all, who would impeach him? The Republican congress?

Third of all, who would force him to resign? If this had been possible, it would have happened hundreds of times over.

The whole point of this regime is that they can commit any crime in broad daylight - Valerie Plame, lying about the war, Abu Ghraib - and get away with it. Not even the Supreme Court will hold Bush accountable for the crimes of his regime.

They have learned this since Florida 2000.