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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:31 PM
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So how do you recount electronic voting?
What is to stop if from getting messed up further?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:45 PM
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1. Is someone recounting electronic voting?
I hadn't heard that
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:52 PM
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2. What may happen
...and has already. The machine spits out different numbers than the first time.

Who knows, the program to take votes away from one may not be running anymore and so you end up with a different count. One thing you can count on... as screwed up as these machines are, there's no telling what a recount may reveal. Looks like we're fixing to find out, eh?
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:38 PM
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3. Yeah, I'm hoping that some folks got sloppy.
Given that they were probably in a hurry and had very little help in the design and testing areas, I'm betting that they screwed a few things up royally.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:00 PM
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6. Just found this bit of history
"Bev Harris, author of Black Box Voting and the
BlackBoxVoting.org web site, has
documented numerous cases of electronic disasters. One occurred in
Volusia
County, Fla., in 2000 in which county election officials hand recounted
more than 184,000 paper ballots used to feed the computerized system,
after the central ballot-counting computer showed a Socialist Party
candidate receiving more than 9,000 votes and Al Gore getting minus
19,000. Another 4,000 votes were received for Bush that should not have
been there.

"Election officials eventually tallied Gore beating Bush by 97,063
votes
to 82,214. But the wrong numbers had already been sent to the media,
which
were used by FOX and other networks to erroneously call the election
for
Bush and swing the public relations part of the recount battle in his
favor."
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not fooled Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:47 PM
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4. can a computer expert...
...reconstruct a log of any hacking/alteration of votes?
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rfrrfrrfr Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:56 PM
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5. suposedly
There error we are looking for did not take place on the touch screen machines but on the optical scan and other types of machines that do have a paper trail.

Thats one of the reasons Nader was asked to recount New Hampshire as some of the counties there exhibit some of the same symptoms as elsewhere.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:11 AM
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7. Impossible with DRE machines. You simply can't.
Direct Electronic Recording voting machines leave no paper, punch cards, or any other physical device to hand count.
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