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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:10 PM
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MAJOR OVERSIGHT On Article Nominated For Front Page
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 PM by mermaid
I posted this in that article as well, but I wanted this to GET NOTICED, and so I am posting it HERE as a stand-alone topic...

The original post is titled "THAT IS NOT What The Article Said" and it was in the original Thread about a voting-machinne glitch in Franklin County, Indiana...

HERE is what it said...

This is DIRECTLY FROM the original link...bolds, italics and headings are MY ADDITION...

-------------cut and paste from original article below---------

A recently found computer glitch in the voting machines in Franklin County, Indiana has given a democrat enough votes to bump a republican from victory in a County Commissioner's race.



The glitch in the machines recorded straight Democratic Party votes for Libertarians.




The votes were re-counted last night, by hand.

The company who made the voting machine is also checking into programming of it's equipment in nine other Indiana counties.

-------------end of cut and paste from original article-------------

Anyone here notice they HAND-COUNT when a REPUBLICAN loses...but will they when a DEMOCRAT loses?? Hell, no!!

And still, no one has explained to me in what way this would have benefitted the Democratic candidate...or harmed the Republican one...after all this glitch

was peeling straight-ticket DEMOCRAT votes off and giving them to the LIBERTARIAN candidate!!



It was NOT peeling votes off the Republican...or giving Republican or Libertaian votes TO the Democrat...it was TAKING VOTES AWAY from the Democrat...and YET...the article makes it appear as though the computer glitch caused the Democrat to win!!

If anything, the Democrat woulda WON BY EVEN MORE without the glitch!!

Or is something wrong with MY math here??

Am I the ONLY person who bothered to READ THE ARTICLE??

READ IT!!! With my enhancements, I'm sure you shoudn't have any trouble seeing the inconsistency here...

HERE is the original article...and note the soure is FOX...
http://www.7onyourside.com/Global/story.asp?S=2558518&nav=7CPDT4VX
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 PM
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1. I'm Confused
"Anyone here notice they HAND-COUNT when a REPUBLICAN loses...but will they when a DEMOCRAT loses?? Hell, no!!"


The way I read this, everyone thought the Republican had won, they found this glitch and it turns out the Democrat won. If they didn't do a hand count, how did they discover the glitch?
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:21 PM
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2. The Way I Read This Is....
The glitch was discovered, triggering the re-count.

They blame the Republican's loss on the glitch.

And, BECAUSE the Republican lost...and BECAUSE they then found the glitch...they did a hand-recount.

Had the Republican WON, do you think they would have recounted after discovering the glitch?? I THINK NOT!!!

And, again, no one has yet answered HOW having votes PEELED OFF the Democrat, to the benefit of the Libertarian...benefitted the Democrat...or harmed the Republican...but to read the article, you'd think they were saying the only reason the Republican LOST was the glitch.

And the hand-count happened AFTER the glitch was discovered.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 PM
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3. Self-Deleted...Dupe. Got An Error Message Trying To Post The Original
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:24 PM by mermaid
Dupe.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 PM
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5. I agree with iamjoy, mermaid
the way i read the article was that the repub had won but when they discovered that votes for dems had been credited to lib party, they fixed the problem and the fix allowed a dem to bump the Repub out. can you imagine if this starts to happen on a grand scale? There will be some very unhappy elephants running around . . . and I bet they will be running around screaming, "foul, foul!" It will be a stampede! }(
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:28 PM
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6. I agree with Iamjoy, Mermaid
The way I read the article is that a Repub was basking in a victory and it was discovered that the dem votes had been accidentally credited to the lib party. When they fixed the problem it allowed the Democrat to bump the republican out.

Can you imagine what will happen if this starts to happen on a grand scale? There will be some very unhappy elephants running around and I bet they will be screaming, "Foul, Foul!" That's a stampede I don't want to miss. :o)


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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 PM
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4. Self-Deleted...Dupe. Got An Error Message Trying To Post The Original
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:24 PM by mermaid
Dupe.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:39 PM
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9. very sorry -
obviously i am relatively new at this but each time i tried to post that message i received an error message, and when i checked, they had not posted so i kept doing it again . . . and again . . . and again (obviously).

btw, where are we supposed to report error messages anyway? thanks.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:50 PM
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10. I notice the tortured wording
I knew of the incident or I would have thought that the votes had incorrectly been given to the Democrate.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:42 AM
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11. Well, The "Tortured Wording" Of The Article Causes A Lot Of Confusion
This is the way the article read to me...

series of events

1. The Democrat won
2. The glitch is discovered
3. The glitch is blamed for the loss by the Republican
4. This triggers the hand recount
5. The article is written, placing blame for the loss by the Republican on the glitch.
6. The recount is taken, shoing the Democrat still won.
7. The article is left as is, someone has a very bad editor.

Though, looking back VERY CAREFULLY...I see another possible series of events, which could be gleaned from the same words, and construct.

series of events
1. The Repuke "won."
2. The glitch is discovered.
3. Miraculously, they do a re-count (there'd be no question of a re-count if the Repuke had LOST)
4. The recount is done.
5. The re-count reveals that the Democrat, in fact won the election, when credited with the proper number of votes.
6. The article is written, saying the Democrat had bumped the Repuke from victory, and the reason why is the glitch.
7. They never BOTHER to say, in the article, that the Repuke never REALLY won in the first place...he only APPEARED to have won, because of the glitch.
8. Someone has a bad editor, the article is left as is...and left to imply the Democrats had just "stolen" an election from the RIGHTFUL victor, the Repuke (their perspective, not mine)
9. The article SHOULD have been written "A computer glitch, which was discovered to have recorded straight-ticket Democratic votes for the Libertarians was discovered in a county-commissioner's race in Franklin county, Indiana, leading to a recount. The recount showed that, in fact, the Democrat had won the seat. It had been believed and reported, earlier, that the Repuke had won, however, the recount showed the true winner to be the Democratic candidate, once the correct vote totals were ascertained by the hand re-count." NOT "A Democrat knocked a Republican from victory..." THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN NEVER WON IN THE FIRST GODDAMN PLACE!!

This is the problem with media spin.
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