Loyalty - which party rules?

[eileen from OH]

Okay, since the election. . .

Bush has rewarded the loyalty of his obedient servants with new jobs and given the shake-up-guys a heads up to clean house.

We,on the other hand, have already started on the Trashing of Kerry, complete with the He Betrayed Me By Conceding and the I Really Wanted The Other Guy Anyway stuff. We have the move-on-we-lost faction competing with the wait-a-min-Ohio-isn't-over-faction.

What we really need is to join the take-a-breath faction. A lot of this will shake out in the next few weeks or months, one way or another.

In the meantime we need to remember that just two short weeks ago we trusted John Kerry to be our President and we trusted the Democratic Party to be the vehicle for our ideas and ideals.

Seems to me that if we were that determined to give them that kind of trust two weeks ago, when a lot of us stood in the Ohio rain for 8 hours to make sure people got to vote, and when a lot of us busted our collective butts in other states in similar efforts, we also ought to be loyal enough to give 'em another few weeks so they can figure out what's up as well.

Bush overvalues loyalty. We need to start valuing it a little more.

eileen from OH

[GRLMGC]

1. Republicans are more loyal

They generally stick together which is why they're so powerful in spite of their evil ideals. The Democratic Party is in constant conflict. There is so much bickering that its hard to get anything done. That's why we lose elections, in spite of voting irregularities.

[eileen from OH]

2. Well, I'm not sure if that's a virtue or not

but you've caught what I'm trying to say. I don't WANT their kind of blind loyalty - it's freakin' dangerous.

I guess I would plead for loyalty, but even more for PATIENCE. And that's in really short supply on the Dem side.

eileen from OH

[GRLMGC]

5. Oh, I totally agree

I guess i'm referring to the nasty backbiting that seems to occur on a regular basis. Patience would definitely be helpful too.

[Lone Pawn]

3. Agreed

But agreed as a member of the move-on-we-lost, but still think JK is a good man, but think he ran a terrible campaign, but said so during the campaign, but still a Democrat so can't ever put differences aside to actually win elections faction.

[phlesh]

4. I am not sure its fair to compare such a thing...

Let me preface this by saying that as far as the official registry goes, I am not registered as a democrat or republican, but as an independent... but I tend to favor democrats when I vote... I don't want to claim a party myself, but the democratic party has my loyalty when it comes to voting for president.

The whole problem I have with the republican party is that its about everyone thinking the same idea it seems. Its almost like a religion, bound by ideology... ofcourse a party of this nature will more than likely produce more loyalty as a whole... thats part of being a republican, very very rigid...

On the other hand, the Democrats tend to be a more assorted type of people if you will... there is more free thought and a lot of different ideas that aren't bound to a rigid set of doctrines. This is also probably a downside to the party because of all the "different ways of looking at things" might have some effects on the strength of the party leadership. Sometimes the message isn't as clear because there are a lot of different viewpoints on the message. In effect, you may see less "blind loyalty" towards the party than you would see in the republicans.

Ofcourse, this is also the reason I tend to favor democrat candidates... I am turned off by the more rigid platform of the republican party. The positive side of all the different ideas is that it encourages more innovation and doesn't tend to shut out the truth of things.

I guess the real question is, does "more loyal" mean "better party"... Hitler had a LOT of loyal followers.

[burn the bush]

6. pugs are loyal like a pit bull. Once they latch on to an idea, they

just can't get rid of it. They refuse to be objectionable and madly hold to their guns that the ship aint sinking even as the water covers their heads. They are like the OJ people who "knew" he was inocent no matter how much evidence wracked up against him. Refused to open their eyes to the other point of view no matter what.

[eileen from OH]

8. and of course, that stinks

but loyalty as a virtue, outside of the distortions that the Reups use, is still a virtue. And one which we need to cultivate.

eileen from OH

[Califooyah Operative]

7. republicans-stricter more disciplined, and less numbers and pluralities nt