Hillary has made a point of saying "the president has been reelected."

[flpoljunkie]

She just repeated this on CNN's American Morning regarding reports that Bush may ask Ben Nelson of Nebraska to be Secretary of Agriculture leaving Democrats with only 43 Senators!

On Larry King, she gave this same self-serving answer to another question when it is not really necessary to certify that Bush has been elected. She could have just said a president has the perogative to appoint whoever he wants.

Rubbed me the wrong way, to say the least.
 

[lancdem]

1. She did say he has that prerogative

[flpoljunkie]

4. She could have stopped there, but she didn't.

[Solitaire]

2. right...

and because of her and a few others, our country will be owned by Japan and China, even more than it is now.

I'm just livid that she was not there to vote.

Hilary for President? You have go to be kidding.

[lancdem]

3. What are you talking about?

Not there to vote for what?

[Karenca]

6. NOT THERE TO VOTE AGAINST RAISING THE DEBT CEILING

She's totally self-serving, I would Not want her to run for president.

[Solitaire]

20. S. 2986..

she was not there to vote against raising the debt ceiling.

We now can add 800 million to our national debt, thanks to those Democrats who voted for it and to Hilary who didn't vote at all.

[flpoljunkie]

21. The Democrats did not have the votes to stop it, Hillary or not.

Here is a link to the roll call vote. Breaux and Miller voted to raise the debt ceiling while Ensign, R-NV, voted against it.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00213

[CTD]

5. I really do not like her

She is just too transparent in her appetite for power. At least candidates like Kerry cloak their ambitions better and it can appear that they actually care about the greater good. Hillary's spoken words claiming to care about the greater good often sound so very hollow.

I'm not sure there is much of a difference except in their relative acting abilities. Still, when *I* can see it that clearly, I have a difficult time supporting the candidate.

[SnowGoose]

12. Any thoughts on Bush's "appetite for power"?

I guess Kerry never struck me as on a power trip, whereas Bush (who's said that he doesn't owe anyone any explanations because of his position) strikes me as on the mother-of-all-little-boy-power-trips.

[CTD]

16. Of course. But I thought that was assumed.

And, actually, it seems like some of Bush's henchmen are actually the ones with the lust for power moreso than he himself. But, yes, there is no comparison.

Still, it's what keeps me from supporting Hillary. Well, that and the hard fact that she is completely un-electable. Too many moderates cannot stand her. She would be crushed in a general election, Mondale-style.

[Donailin]

28. Not for nothing but. .

>>She is just too transparent in her appetite for power<<

I fantasize about being the president despite the fact that I'm a lowly commoner. I would so straighten the shit out, heads would roll. Repub and dems heads, that is. Level the playing field, level the playing field.
For starters:
Screw the oil/energy companies that profit from war.
Screw the pharmacuetical co.'s that profit from drugs that kill
Screw the "cancer industry" that profits from sick people and rejects anything close to preventive medicine ie. chemicals and drugs on and in our food supply and water.
Screw monsanto and their evil agenda to patent the worlds food supply.
Screw Dominionists that would crucify Christ right now if he uttered one word about mercy being the heart of the law.
Screw the politicians that think lying is an essential component for getting elected.

Ah, shoot, I gotta put the clothes in the dryer.

[prayin4rain]

7. I want to like her, but I don't. 'Course you'll never hear me say that

when a republican is around. ;)

[Kolesar]

8. yeah

There are no republicans around haunting this forum

[Lerkfish]

15. republicans hate hillary

shrugs....why I don't know. But its like giving them away, time and again.

I'm guessing none of these guys would be good spies.

[Silverhair]

27. Are you kidding me?

RWs read this just like we visit FR & other RW sites. I've seen Du quoted on RW sites.

[Kolesar]

30. yes, I am kidding you

Republicans are definitely to be found around here.

[BlueCaliDem]

14. I'm Total Agreement with You, prayin4rain! N/T

[ladjf]

9. I thought she "sucked up" to Bush during the entire King

interview. And discussed how "Bill" was ready to help the President
in any way he could. Please, that makes me sick. Why would any good
Democrat do anything that would validate the President, a known
psychopathic thug?

[malatesta1137]

11. AND election thief too

a man who rejoiced in seeing his party go after Clinton on a witch hunt for 8 unrelenting years.

[ladjf]

19. I'm over the entire Clinton thing. It takes more than talent

to make a person a great President. I don't think the Dems should
either take too much advice from the Clintons or spend too much time
trying to remake the Dem strategy along the lines Clinton used. He
won largely due to his extraordinary charisma.

[malatesta1137]

10. she thinks she's her husband

she's trying hard to please the evangelical nutbags, they'll spit on her face if she ever runs for President, it'll be worse than Mondale 84.

I hope this dubious Democrat never runs for President, let alone get the nomination.

[mak3cats]

13. Hillary's one of my senators...

and, while I will likely continue to vote for her, I don't like her much (for many of the same reasons I see already posted here). I think everything that she does, says, or thinks from here until 2008 (or 2012, if we're lucky enough to have JFK inaugurated in January)will be with an eye to a presidential run. Unless there is a sea change in this nation, that would be the surest way to engineer a Democratic defeat in 2012 (wishful thinking).

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. She's up for re-election in less than 2 years now

consider this part of her mainstream, middle of the road, positioning for it.

[flpoljunkie]

18. Nice try.

I'm not buying. She did not need to say this.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

32. Huh??? She is showing she is not a conspiracy fan

and playing to the middle.
Sorry, I am not selling anything, she is.

[Pooka Fey]

22. Um, don't you have to be elected before you can be re-

elected? * was appointed, not elected.

[lthuedk]

23. She's lost my vote.

We need an undiluted fighter to take on an undiluted fascism


period

[lthuedk]

24. Wow, first she's reborn and now this? Did anyone notice a large

pod being delivered to her home? She's history.

[Razorback_Democrat]

25. Okay, I'm Becoming Convinced That Hillary and

Bill and their political machine are not pushing this fraud issue because it is in their interest NOT to do so if they have plans for Hillary in 08.

I remember watching Carville on CNN election night when the media was talking about long lines and provisional ballots being handed out to get people done voting sooner, and Carville makes the statement that he'd talked to people on the ground and just didn't see how Kerry could win. I remember wondering what the hell he was talking about because all the votes hadn't even been cast, much less counted and he was surrendering.

But Carville is first and foremost a Clinton ally.

I got this e-mail from the Democratic Party today and it made my blood boil, but it all seems to fit into my theory!
Last week we asked for your feedback about the 2004 election, and tens of thousands of you responded with your positive experiences, your negative experiences, and your advice for what should come next.

One thing was clear: Democrats are deeply committed to fighting for our values, and the disappointing results of this year's election can't change that.

We're taking in all your comments and ideas and factoring them into the Democratic Party's strategy moving forward. If you'd like to read a sampling of the comments we've received, or if you haven't left your comments yet, be sure to visit our website:

http://www.democrats.org/thanks/

Here's what's coming up next. As you've been reading in the news, the Bush administration is in the midst of a big staff shakeup. A half dozen cabinet members have announced their resignations, and the White House has already started announcing nominations for their replacements.

But the biggest nominations are just around the corner. We have every reason to expect that very soon, George W. Bush will have the opportunity to appoint at least one, and possibly three, Supreme Court justices (including the chief justice), decisions that will affect every aspect of our lives for decades to come.

The Court fight encompasses the values we stand for and fought so hard for during the Election. The Democratic Party will not stand by and let President Bush use the Supreme Court to placate the most extreme members of his party. We will fight for a nominee who will protect the rights and values we hold dear, and you will be a crucial part of that fight.

We'll write you next week to tell you more about how you can get involved early in our fight to protect the Supreme Court.

Thanks for all that you do,

The DNC Internet Team

[Cookie wookie]

26. I suspect you are correct

I'm definitely not a Hillary fan to begin with. We need opposition to the * regime, unequivocal opposition. We need them to fight him every chance they get. When they don't we need to find replacements who will.

That is, after we take back our voting.

[lthuedk]

29. Don't bother with the Clintons

We don't want a dilution, only full strength. Their time passed years ago. The fascists have arrived and posturing nicely won't get it.

Get it?

[nolabels]

31. But they haven't

They don't live in our world, they neither feel the effects or are able to understand the consequences. Many literally got it a while back

[NicRic]

33. If Hillary runs in 2008 ,look for 4 years of Jeb ! n/t

.

[empathy]

34. Hillary

Newbie here.

Just wanted to put one message on Hillary's side. I don't know if I would vote for her over other Dems in 08 - that would depend who the others are, but I would have no problem supporting her in general. Like Bill, I think she truly tries to accomplish things she thinks are important for the country. Of course she is in the political game pretty deeply -- f she weren't, she would be long gone. She seems to have great political skills, which of course puts her motives in question at times, but thats an issue with all politicians. Generally, I think she balances survival with actually trying to make things better extremely well.

One more little thought - I don't think the Clinton's wanted Kerry to lose whatsoever. A while back Bill's office was letting it be known that he would love to be the next head of the UN. He could get a lot of support for that around the world, despite the fact that it has been assumed that next it is time for an Asian to head it. However, he will never get that job while Bush is in office. And since the job opens up in two years or so, Bush's re-election ends any thoughts of him getting that post. So even if we think the Clinton's are self-motivated more than party-motivated, still I think they would want Kerry in office.

Anyway, sorry if I rambled. I really enjoy reading what others write here. Its great to see the enthusiasm, anger, activism and motivation that I often think are missing from the democratic party these days.

g

[Justathought]

35. I do not agree

that was what she was saying. She was bringing out a very obvious point. Ben Nelson is our Senator from Nebraska and will be appointed by bushie to strategically take away another senator who is a democrat. She is pointing out the real evilness of this administration. It is well known Nebraska's economy is agriculture and giving him this position would not cause an uprise in Nebraska. Also, in Nebraska, we currently do no have a viable democrat who could easily replace Ben Nelson. The only viable candidates would be our governor who is republican or our house representative who is also repbulican. This is the evilness of the bushie administration at its best. Hillary sees that and since Kerry conceded she is stating how bushie is trying to take away as many Democrats as he can from the Senate whereby his dictatorial agenda is passed.