Why is Kerry afraid to speak on vote fraud?

[jmc777]

I had a quick look to see if this has been posted before but I couldn't find anything. If it has, please provide a link to the appropriate DU thread, thanks!.

I know it'll be dismissed as "kookery", but I thought the numbers in the charts were interesting (hand count % vs machine count %).

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303703.shtml

[OneBlueSky]

1. I have no idea whether or not that is true, but . . .

the fact that Kerry continues to maintain complete silence on the whole election fraud issue is more than puzzling . . . it's infuriating . . .

[sandnsea]

3. There's NO PROOF

I just don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about proof. There isn't any. There's lots and lots of voting problems, not one person who has been proven to have done anything illegal. That's why he isn't saying anything. Prosecutors rely on PROOF.

[el_gato]

9. Hence the reason Diebold opposed a paper trail

[OneBlueSky]

14. there may be no PROOF, but there's plenty of evidence . . .

and the reason there's no PROOF is because the Republicans rigged the system so that there CAN'T be any proof . . . and THAT's what Kerry should be talking about . . . among other things (e.g. massive efforts to suppress voting in minority districts -- for which PROOF does exist in the form of flyers that were distributed, etc.) . . .

[sandnsea]

16. That's not true

If all we had was paperless voting machines, you might have a point. But it's not true, there's plenty of voting peculiarities in areas WITH paper trails. Most of Ohio is punch card and optiscan. So the paper trail line is just not valid, not at this point.

Voter disenfranchisement. That's not new. That has been going on in this country for 200 years or more. Seen Gangs of New York? Boss Tweed? Democrats voting over and over again? LBJ? Daley? Democrats aren't totally innocent in Republicans feeling the need to monitor voters. Of course, Republicans have taken it to extremes, that's absolutely true too.

Voting is a serious problem in this country, no doubt about it. But approaching it with a little objectivity would go alot further to fixing it than jumping to conspiracy theory conclusions that might never be proven and sink the effort to change anything in the long run.

[sandnsea]

2. The insane left

Why they're ignored. Why Democrats in general have a helluva time being taken seriously. The craziest thing the right does is believe in the Bible. Our crazies want our Presidential candidates to blame Bush for terrorist attacks. Yeah, I offended a bunch of people around here, but geezo, the left gets fucking annoying. Fish feelings. Need I say more.

[el_gato]

8. You can always go become a republican

If you don't like digging under the surface quit hanging out in a place where people don't buy into the "official" story.

[sandnsea]

12. Or keep posting facts

And hope people learn to have real evidence before they go off on a tangent. Digging is good and I help as much as I can. Jumping to conclusions before the digging is done is what I have a problem with.

[Karmadillo]

4. Rest of title: KERRY USED ES&S/DIEBOLD E-VOTE RIG TO OUST DEAN!

This article will be dismissed as "kookery"? You may be right.

[woodstein]

5. Where there's smoke...

...there's fire.

It seems that the stories are becoming more frequent recently. Take a look at the Yahoo Elections page and you'll see several stories about voting "irregularities". Some of them saying we're nuts and some...well let's just say they are saying there are problems.

Always remember that Watergate was a "third-rate burglary" for nine months before the story broke wide open.

Maybe we won't change the outcome of the election. But it sure is fun as hell to try!!!!

[Mike Nelson]

6. I THINK...

They looked at the numbers late election night and didn't see a way to win. I think they were under a lot of pressure to throw in the towel because of the "popular vote" (which I don't think rings true, btw).

Then, there's the "for the good of the country" thing.

I imagine Kerry would change his tune very quickly if the tide changes.

AND, if Kerry should re-open the election due to votes showing he won, Bush will fight it like there's no tomorrow (because that's what Bush thinks).

[Ducks In A Row]

7. maybe because...

FOX NEWS: Today Kerry endangered our troops by casting doubt on President Bush's credibily. Kerry is giving aid and comfort for our enemies, while our soldiers are dying, by fighting against the will of the people. Remember, Kerry lied about his purple hearts, and we can see how much he hates America with all the fraud talk.



etc, etc, etc


so it's all be done in secret and we'll kick ** ass out of the WH before the media can take a breath.

[emulatorloo]

10. Because the Aliens took Teresa to their planet and are holding her

makes about as much sense as this article.

Skull and Bones, please. Don't tell me you like everybody in what ever Bridge or Chess club you belong to.

[txindy]

11. It's very simple

Because "Yee-hah!" and "Bring it on!" are not good strategies for investigating and evidence-gathering.

If silence is the price we pay for a positive outcome, I'm more than willing to put off my own emotional comfort until then. It's more than worth such a small price.

[Village Idiot]

13. The message here is OBVIOUS

The USA has a fucked-up electoral process - and this is BY DESIGN.

No offense to you USAsians, but in the Canadian National Election in April of 2004, we had a paper ballot system and had the result within four hours of the polls closing. We only have about 30 million people, however...

Paper ballots are the most tamper-proof and easiest to accurately count. There are fewer spoiled ballots than e-Voting or Optical scanning.

If the US electoral process is not FLAWED DELIBERATELY by design, why then the move to e-Voting without ANY paper trail? The answer is, as you have always known, the outcome of a US Presidential Election is much too important to leave in the hands of the electorate.

[OneBlueSky]

15. "and this is BY DESIGN" . . .

absolutely . . . and this is what Kerry and the Democrats should be raising holy hell about . . . unless, of course, Nader is right and they're all one and the same . . .