Cybernet we need to start researching it! A call for all DU'ers

[AnIndependentTexan]

[AnIndependentTexan]

1. their homepage

http://www.cybernet.com/

Cybernet Systems Corporation is an American Research and Development company that develops technology and commercializes products that combine software intelligence, network connectivity, robotics, and man-machine interaction. For over 14 years Cybernet has made significant contributions to the health, productivity, and security of America and the world. Our goal is to develop leading edge information-driven technology and incubate innovative products for the commercial and defense industries.

[yourout]

2. Wrong CyberNET.

Here is the link to the FBI bust and a link to the company.
http://www.cybernet-usa.com/

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1100796735184040.xml

The one raided is in Grand Rapids not in Ann Arbor.

[AnIndependentTexan]

4. ok so none of these cybernets are linked together ?

are they a common company or just share the same name?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

55. PLEASE READ!

I posted this this morning:
"Not sure if this means anything, but I came across the name INLUMINENT while searching on cybernet...I dont know what inluminent is all about exactly, but when I searched CYBERNET AND inluminent OR Diebold and inluminent, all I can say is that it led to hacking sites and blogs, evangelical stuff, porn, online gam(bl)ing, AND online sales of prescription drugs."

NOW, when I search Cybernet and Inluminent, NOTHING COMES UP. Only 30+ come up on a diebold inluminent search.

This morning there were hundreds.

[ewulf]

15. They just like the name in Michigan I guess? n/t

[ewulf]

18. So they took of the "used" labels on some computers

they were selling. Why do we care?

[vanboggie]

27. connection?

Hastings school district (MI) sued this CyberNET over those computers. Ignite software installed at Hastings school district. Not sure how many other Michigan districts have the software - Hastings comes up in Google, so I don't think use is widespread in that state.

[shraby]

54. Ignite software is Neil Bush's software.

[vanboggie]

66. Bingo n/t

[txindy]

71. Neil. Again. Why am I not surprised by this?

[seemslikeadream]

3. Regional Headquarters

Regional Headquarters
AMERICAS DIVISION
Headquarters

The CyberNET Group
25 South Division Avenue
Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
ASIA PACIFIC
Headquarters

CyberNET Asia-Pacific Ltd.
25th Floor, ICBC Tower
Suite 2501 - Citibank Plaza
3 Garden Road
Central, Hong Kong
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

AUSTRALIA
Headquarters

CyberNET Group (Australia) Pty Ltd.
CyberNET House
551 Pacific Hwy
St Leonard's NSW 2065
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[e-mail]
EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA
Headquarters

CyberNET Group, U.K. Ltd.
Gainsborough House
17-23 High Street
Slough
Berkshire, SL1 1DY
United Kingdom
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

PHILIPPINES
Global Data Hub

2275 Chino Roces Extension
Makati City 1231
Philippines
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[e-mail]

http://www.cybernet-usa.com/contact.asp


US firm buys majority stake in AyalaPort, renames data center
By melvin g. calimag

A Michigan-based outsourcing firm has taken over the management and majority ownership of data center AyalaPort Makati and has renamed it CNG Global Data Hub.

The CyberNet Group (CNG), an ICT and business process outsourcing services provider, announced early this week during a press conference that it has acquired a 60 percent controlling interest in the data center from Ayala Corp.

The Ayala Group was left with 30-percent minority share while the remaining 10 percent is owned by independent shareholder Internet Initiative Japan, according to Reynaldo Huergas, the new managing director of CNG Global Data Hub. Huergas, a former executive of Ayala-owned mobile phone operator Globe Telecom, replaced Mark Anthony Javier.
http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO2004111422434.html

Sales and Support

Regional Headquaters

Casino Systems Technology

[AnIndependentTexan]

5. Is this the same Cybernet group?

CyberNET Group Company Profile

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/126/126272.html

Key People
Chairman and CEO: Barton H. Watson
• President and COO: James Horton
• SVP Corporate Communications: Kris Kotlarz

CyberNET provides information technology services that include data center and storage management, security, and recovery services.

[mcg]

28. I think so, aka Cyberco Holdings Inc

CYBERCO HOLDINGS INC
25 Division Ave S
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-4229
616-913-9000

Barton Watson Chairman Of The Board
Jim Horton President
David Reopke Chief Financial Officer
Krista Watson Treasurer

Computer Systems Design, Computer Integrated Systems

[nashville_brook]

68. from Network Solutions:

CyberNET Engineering  (23238487O)
25 South Division Ave., Grand Rapids, MI 49503 US
  
AC9206-ORG
  
Cybernet Engineering  (AC9206-ORG)
[e-mail]
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503-4229 US  
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Domain Name: CYBERNET-USA.COM
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Cybernet Engineering  (AC9206-ORG)
[e-mail]
25 DIVISION AVE S
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503-4229US

Phone: [phone]  
Fax: [phone]

  
Record expires on 08-Aug-2008
  
Record created on 09-Aug-1996

  
Database last updated on 07-Jul-2004

 Domain servers in listed order:
Manage DNS

DNS1.CYBERNET-USA.COM
208.50.250.37
 
DNS2.CYBERNET-USA.COM
208.50.250.50
 
 Show underlying registry data for this record
Current Registrar:
NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.

IP Address:
208.49.57.3  (ARIN & RIPE IP search)

IP Location:
US(UNITED STATES)-MICHIGAN-DETROIT

Record Type:
Domain Name

Server Type:
IIS 6

Lock Status:
REGISTRAR-LOCK

Web Site Status:
Active

DMOZ
no listings

Y! Directory:
see listings

Secure:
Yes

E-commerce:
No

Traffic Ranking:
Not available

Data as of:
08-Jun-2004

[Hobbes199]

6. I keep getting links to porn sites

And although there are plenty of tie-ins with BushCo via a google search, I don't think that was the intention...

>> Cybernet Ventures, the parent company of the Adult Check age verfication system (AVS)

[AnIndependentTexan]

7. partner of Cybernet is Stryon? Is this information correct?

http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/mop/mop_PartnerDetails_IDX/1,2718,16278,00.html

http://www.stryon.com

25 S. Division Avenue
Grand Rapids
Michigan,49503
United States

Stryon is a global software services company based in Grand Rapids, Michigan with software development centers located in China and Pakistan. Stryon specailises in MS/Java interoperability.

[seemslikeadream]

8. World Headquarters Stryon, Inc.

World Headquarters
Stryon, Inc.
25 South Division Avenue
Grand Rapids, MI. 49503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email:[e-mail] Other Locations...

Oceania
The CyberNET Group (Australia) Pty Ltd.
The CyberNET House
551 Pacific Hwy
St Leonard's, NSW 2065
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Asia/Pacific
CyberNET Asia-Pacific Ltd.
25th Floor, Asia-Pacific Finance Tower
Suite 2501
Citibank Plaza
3 Garden Road
Central
Hong Kong
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Chang Sha
4th Floor, Shi Ling Da Sha
Guan Sha Lin Ban Shi Chu
Yue Lu Qu
Chang Sha, Hu Nan 410006
China
Tel: [phone]
Dong Guan
5th Floor, YuXing Road No. 2,
Dongguan,
Guangdong, 523106
China
Tel: [phone]
EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Africa)
The CyberNET Group, U.K. Ltd.
17 - 23 High Street
Slough
Berkshire, SL1 1DY
United Kingdom
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Oakland
7700 Edgewater Drive, Suite 803
Oakland, CA 94621
Tel: [phone]
Pakistan
Suite 1001
Park Avenue Building
24-A, Block 6
P.E.C.H.S.
Karachi, Pakistan
Tel: [phone]
http://www.stryon.com/contact.asp

[mcg]

22. Stryon CEO: Barry Prince

STRYON INC
25 Division Ave S
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-4229
Barry Prince, Chief Executive Officer
510-638-6586

[Magic_Cookie]

52. Stryon: Date: Dec 13 2002

http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2002/Dec/1005809.html

Stryon Instant ASP (iASP) Input Validation Flaw Discloses Files on the System to Remote Users

SecurityTracker Alert ID: 1005809
CVE Reference: GENERIC-MAP-NOMATCH (Links to External Site)
Date: Dec 13 2002

Impact: Disclosure of system information, Disclosure of user information

Exploit Included: Yes

Version(s): 1.0.9 and prior versions

Description: A file disclosure vulnerability was reported in Stryon's Instant ASP (iASP) in the Remote Console Applet. A remote user can view arbitrary files on the system.

Fate Research Laboratories reported that a remote user can connect to the applet on port 9095 and supply a URL containing '../' directory traversal characters to obtain files on the system.

A demonstration exploit URL is provided:

http://<hostname>:9095/../../../../../../etc/passwd
The vendor has reportedly been notified.
Impact: A remote user can obtain files from the target user's server while the applet is running.
Solution: No solution was available at the time of this entry.
Vendor URL: www.stryon.com/products.asp?s=1 (Links to External Site)
Cause: Access control error, Input validation error
Underlying OS: Linux (Any), UNIX (Any), Windows (Any)
Reported By: "ph33r" <[e-mail]>

[Carolab]

50. Stryon/CyberNET and Blue Cross Blue Shield

Blue Cross Blue Shield
Visit www.bcbs.com

Blue Cross Blue Shield are consumer health advocates that service families that are seeking quality health insurance. They are one of the largest healthcare insurance provider organizations in the world. They had experienced large write-offs taken in the prior fiscal year for inventory. They had also encountered an inability to find leased items at end-of-lease. The goal was to develop a business process that was easy to use, quick to update and accessible to those who needed it throughout the organization.

Stryon is in the process of providing a complete asset management solution for BCBS including business process reengineering, software selection, enterprise application integration using middleware, baseline inventory and training for both users and administrators. This process which will be fully designed and implemented by CyberNET/Stryon will assist Blue Cross Blue Shield to appropriately account for their valuable inventory and to be able to find it when it's needed.

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/portfolio.asp

[AnIndependentTexan]

9. Primary Business of Cybernet Groups

http://www.varbusiness.com/sections/apps/2003v500_displaydetails.jhtml?VAR2003_RK=122

Systems Integrators Including But Not Limited To Telecom And Computer Telephony Integration Services

parent company is CyberNet Group

Primary Technology Vendors
(up to five)
Wyse
Stryon
Citrix
Microsoft
Cisco

Technologies Sold
(up to five)
Application Integration Software and Middleware
Enterprise Applications
Network Systems Management
Networking (LAN/WAN/Internet/etc.)
Storage Management Software

Key Vertical Industries Served
(up to five)
Accounting/Banking/Financial Services
Defense Contractor/Military
Entertainment/Media/Publishing
Healthcare/Medical/Dental/Pharmacy
Manufacturing

Industry Most Served
Entertainment/Media/Publishing

Executives
Barton Watson, Chairman & CEO
James Horton, President
Steven Gauld, Sr VP - Professional Services
David Roepke, CFO
Mark Harris, Manager Network Operations
Fabian Venter, Sr VP - GLobal Marketing
Scott Sarginson, Sr VP Sales

[txindy]

21. Visa PIN Entry Device Approval List

I don't know if this is the right CyberNet, but Diebold is also on the list. This was updated yesterday, too.

Credit cards, huh? I know I feel secure. :eyes:

http://international.visa.com/fb/vendors/pin/pedapprovallist.jsp

[txindy]

33. Your info. from 2003. Here is the 2000 cached version. Differences?

Any significant changes? Only the cached version of this is available, so thought I'd grab it, now.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:3zxpsXsDxU8J:www.varbusiness.com/sections/apps/2000var500_displayDetails.asp%3Fid%3D141+Kris+Kotlarz&hl=en

Name: CyberNET Engineering
Rank: 141 '99
Rank: 172 '98 Rank:
URL: www.cybernet-usa.com
CEO: Barton Watson
President: Jim Horton
COO: Kris Kotlarz
CTO: Dave Uselton
Type: Internet PSO
# Location: Mich. Find in Atlas
'99 Revenue: $185,649,376
Technologies: Internet, network/systems management
Verticals: Financial services, health care, manufacturing
Vendors: Compaq, Microsoft, Wyse, Citrix, HP

[eowyn_of_rohan]

48. Gambling and flight simulators...

see my "gambling" post below with some links (if interested)

[AnIndependentTexan]

10. CyberNET forms joint venture with Ayala

http://money.inq7.net/topstories/view_topstories.php?yyyy=2004&mon=11&dd=10&file=7

CYBERNET Group of the United States has formed a joint venture with Philippine conglomerate Ayala Corp. to offer information technology (IT) outsourcing services globally.

Michigan-based CyberNET is taking a 60-percent controlling interest in AyalaPort, an IT services subsidiary of Ayala Corp. to form a new firm called CNG Global Data Hub that will spearhead the company's expansion in East Asia.

[dweller]

11. HEY! I DIDN'T GET THE

memo....sorry for shouting.

what's up with Cybernet? Net? whatever.

dp

[AnIndependentTexan]

12. New e-business partnership Cybernets wins battle for B & N Software

http://www.aspstreet.com/pr/a.taf/idpr,11576

Munich, 5 September, 2000 – Against strong competition, the Cybernet Group has succeeded in its bid, to win a 25 percent stake in the leading German e-business software-house B & N Software in Göttingen. According to Bernd Buchholz, Executive Vice President, Cybernet exercised its existing option at an early stage. The cash paid will be used to increase the capitalization of the company. The proceeds will be used for the planned international expansion of the company and to further develop existing programmes. Further more, the company will be prepared for an IPO in 2001.

The number of employees for B & N is forecast to nearly double to 68 by the end of 2001. The purchase price was calculated using a multiple of 1.7 times the revenues of the company in 2001, which is forecast to be 7 million Euros. This demonstrates that the revenues are continuing to double each year.

B & N was founded in 1988 by students from the Göttinger Georg-August-University. With former employees from the software engineering and technology departments of the Max-Planck-Institute, the company has grown into one of the most innovative system providers for internet platforms and for the development of automated business processes. The software-house with its 38 employees has specialized in the development, implementation and maintainance of data exchange programs and transaction platforms using EDI, EDIFACT and XML standards. Around 600 installations have been realized including; Johnson & Johnson, Abbott, Krombacher, Lufthansa City Line, Panasonic, Honeywell and Gerry Weber. The pharmaceutical industry is a key focus, where the majority of well-known brands are customers.

The new partnership increases Cybernet‘s competance in the entire value chain of internet services for business customers. Cybernet was selected because of its ability to maximize the international potential of B & N.

With approximately 14000 business customers, the Cybernet group is a leading provider of internet Data Center services in Europe and operates with modern infrastructure for exchange of data services. Cybernet supports companies with the implementation of their own network solutions and offers solutions for efficient internet utilization.

[AnIndependentTexan]

13. CyberNet Group Acquires Ayala Data Center

http://www.fateback.com/news/web_hosting/data/CyberNet_Group_acquires_Ayala_data_center.html

CyberNet Group Acquires Ayala Data Center
Post Date: November 16, 2004; 16:35


CyberNet Group (www.cybernet-usa.com), a business process outsourcing company, announced that it has acquired a 60-percent majority interest in the AyalaPort Makati data center in the Philippines. The company assumed administrative control over the facility and renamed it CNG Global Data Hub. The Ayala Group preserved a 30-percent minority stake in the data center, the remaining 10 percent of which are owned by Internet Initiative Japan, an independent shareholder. Financial details of the deal were not revealed.

According to the new management of the data center, there would be no major changes in the way the facility is administered. CyberNet Group said that it initially examined properties in Australia and China, but finally decided to buy the AyalaPort facility in the Philippines. According to CyberNet group, the location of the data center can serve as the base for the company’s expansion in the Asia Pacific.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

14. The US Attorney General's office is coordinating the

investigation. So the likelihood that this has anything to do with the elections is small, I'll bet.

[AnIndependentTexan]

16. CNG Group has provided IT solutions for global companies

http://itmatters.com.ph/news/news_11102004a.html

CNG Group has provided IT solutions for global companies like Boeing, PepsiCo, Merrill Lynch, Ford Motor Co., and United Postal Service. -- Kerlyn G.

[AnIndependentTexan]

17. within same article

CNG Global managing director Reynaldo R. Huergas said the buy-in will position the Philippines as the company's headquarters in Southeast Asia, where it plans to roll out in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. Mr. Huergas believes the acquisition will push CNG Global close to its target 150% incremental increase in revenues next year, up from its expected US$1 million earnings by yearend 2004.

[AnIndependentTexan]

19. Stryon's iNET Allows .NET-Based Applications to Run on Any Java Platform

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-09-2004/0002228263&EDATE=

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., Aug. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Stryon(TM), a CyberNET
Group(TM) company, introduces iNET, a new application migration solution that
changes .NET-based applications into pure Java applications that run in any
Java-enabled environment.

[jbnow]

24. more Stryon

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=4

Stryon Merger Creates Global Leader in Legacy Application Migration
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., June 18, 2002 -

Stryon Inc. (http://www.stryon.com ) a former division of CyberCo Holdings, has merged with Halcyon Software, Inc. forming a new company dedicated to the demands for high quality software development with a special focus on the migration of business applications written in legacy languages. Both companies have combined their global expertise to help businesses that wish to match the performance, functionality and value of their existing applications and systems to the fastest and most proficient technologies.

"Many companies have a tremendous investment in mission critical applications developed in COBOL, RPG, Visual Basic®, C/C++ and other languages that represent impediments to the portability and deployability of those applications," says Don Hsi, Chief Technology Officer of Stryon. "Our mission is to develop the best solutions to minimize the costs and risks associated with major changes when migrating those applications to; for example, Java™ technology J2EE™ platform environments or the Microsoft® .NET environments."

The merger, which retained the name Stryon, has spent over 13-years managing international development activities and operating multiple software development centers in North America and Asia including China and Pakistan.

Utilizing an impressive array of proprietary tools developed by Halcyon, such as the revolutionary iASP and iNET products, Stryon is now able to provide accelerated deployment and conversion services based on proven quality control methodologies -- at significant cost benefits. According to Paul Blossom, Chief Operating Officer of Stryon, "Our distinction in the marketplace is to provide local, face-to-face systems analysis, project management and systems architecture services to our clients while sending the actual application coding offshore. This structure allows us to provide a high-touch client experience at an extraordinarily attractive cost."

The new company Stryon is closely affiliated with The CyberNET Group, a global systems integration firm headquartered in the United States specializing in thin client architecture, application deployment and data center outsourcing. The CyberNET Group has operations throughout North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia and Australia. "The merger with Halcyon brings tremendous capabilities to Stryon," said Barton Watson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The CyberNET Group. "Stryon can now provide a scope of application services never before available to middle market companies and enterprise accounts."

Stryon saves money for companies wanting to get the most out of their existing software applications by effectively cutting the costs associated with staff re-training, support, operations interruptions and errors which can be encountered when upgrading and integrating both customized and packaged software over various operating environments.



www.securitytracker.com :
Stryon Instant ASP (iASP) Input Validation Flaw Discloses Files on the System to Remote Users. Read More

http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2002/Dec/1005809....
Category: Application (Generic) > iASP Vendors: Stryon
Stryon Instant ASP (iASP) Input Validation Flaw Discloses Files on the System to Remote Users

SecurityTracker Alert ID: 1005809
CVE Reference: GENERIC-MAP-NOMATCH (Links to External Site)
Date: Dec 13 2002

Impact: Disclosure of system information, Disclosure of user information

Exploit Included: Yes

Version(s): 1.0.9 and prior versions

Description: A file disclosure vulnerability was reported in Stryon's Instant ASP (iASP) in the Remote Console Applet. A remote user can view arbitrary files on the system.

Fate Research Laboratories reported that a remote user can connect to the applet on port 9095 and supply a URL containing '../' directory traversal characters to obtain files on the system.

A demonstration exploit URL is provided:

http://< ;hostname> 095/../../../../../../etc/passwd

The vendor has reportedly been notified.

Impact: A remote user can obtain files from the target user's server while the applet is running.

Solution: No solution was available at the time of this entry.

Vendor URL: www.stryon.com/products.asp?s=1 (Links to External Site)

Cause: Access control error, Input validation error
Underlying OS: Linux (Any), UNIX (Any), Windows (Any)
Reported By: "ph33r" <[e-mail] >

[AnIndependentTexan]

20. ayala homepage

http://www.ayalaport.com/default.asp

[AnIndependentTexan]

30. New name CNG Philippines Global Data Hub

[AnIndependentTexan]

23. Can I get a search from DU'ers on these people

Chairman and CEO: Barton H. Watson
• President and COO: James Horton
• SVP Corporate Communications: Kris Kotlarz

[txindy]

29. Kotlarz wrote this article

http://theezine.net/articles/8/CyberNET-Engineering-Releases-SourcePlus-IT-Managers-Use-Purchasing-Power-To-Add-Stafffor-Free.html

CyberNET Engineering Releases SourcePlus™, IT Managers Use Purchasing Power to Add Staff--for Free

By Kris Kotlarz

SourcePlus™ is an innovative program designed to simplify the life of IT managers and stretch recently slashed budgets GRAND RAPIDS, MI -- October 24, 2001 -- CyberNET Engineering, Inc. announces SourcePlus™. Unlike typical computer hardware vendors and information technology providers, SourcePlus™ combines fair prices and free services from one convenient place. Companies that sign up for this program will be invited to see CyberNET's actual product costs online, choose their own margin on every product purchased then utilize that margin to choose from a full menu of IT engineers, software/web developers and project management services.

According to James Horton, CyberNET's President, "In our 12 years of business we have never created a product that has been so aggressively embraced by our enterprise class clients. It seems that everyone wants to get on this bandwagon."

The program offers competitive product pricing bundled with free professional services that can be used to deploy network infrastructure hardware and software. Choose from CyberNET's full suite of services to augment the expertise of busy information technology departments in areas such as rolling out new technology initiatives, implementing complex projects, maximizing existing IT systems or filling the need for additional help desk staff. For more information on SourcePlus™ and CyberNET Engineering visit or call [phone].

About CyberNET Engineering, Inc.
Founded in 1989 and headquartered in Grand Rapids, MI, CyberNET Engineering Inc. has offices throughout the U.S., Asia and Australia. CyberNET has been repeatedly chosen as one of the SmartPartner 100's and VARBusiness 500's top IT solution providers specializing in thin client, storage and ASP services. Stryon, a CyberNET subsidiary, architects and implements sophisticated web and database applications. The company's proven project management methodology enables timely and efficient execution of large scale IT implementations.

CONTACT:
Kris Kotlarz
Senior V.P. Corporate Communications
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Phone: [phone]

[txindy]

31. Kris Kotlarz also rescues horses

Okay, that was a surprise! Phone numbers and email at the bottom.

http://www.horses-and-horse-information.com/articles/horse-rescue.shtml

Michigan

Horses Haven
A Non-Profit Organization dedicated to the welfare and humane care of horses, ponies, donkeys, and other large animals. C.A.N.T.E.R.
A nonprofit corporation that provides a free service to racetrack trainers to help them locate non-race buyers for their retiring racehorses. Second Career Racehorses
Helping racehorses find new careers after their racing days are over.
Kris Kotlarz - CyberNET - Executive Offices
25 S. Division - Grand Rapids, MI 49503
PH [phone] - FAX [phone]
[e-mail]

[mcg]

Some info on Watson, Stryon, CyberNET Group

Barton Watson III
Chairman, CyberNET Group and Chairman, Stryon

Mr. Barton Watson has been the Chairman and CEO of the CyberNET Group since its inception. He is recognized as an industry leader and much sought after speaker. His vision and clear goals have set the tone and pace for CyberNET Group success. Mr. Watson brings a unique combination of expertise based on his experience as an investment banker, technologist, entrepreneur, investor, and large company CEO. Mr. Watson holds an MBA from Stanford and a BA from the London School of Economics. He has also served on several industry advisory boards. Prior to forming the CyberNET Group, he was responsible for executing large-scale leverage lease transactions for a major bracket Wall Street firm and had founded several successful companies

http://www.aamasv.com/general_popupB.php?pop_type=speaker&theID=164

HI My Name is Barton Watson and I split my time between Grand Rapids, MI and Vail, CO. After a 10 year career as an investment banker with a global firm, I left to form my own companies. I am the Chairman and CEO of The CyberNET Group which we use to create technology companies world wide. As a result of this geographic diversity, my travel plans tend to cover 6 continents and keep me on the road 3 weeks per month. I am 43 years old, married and breed horses as a hobby. I tend to spend most of my time on the AA, NH, UA, SQ, CX and BA boards since these are my primary airlines.

http://members.shaw.ca/deercroft/wwaa.xls

Stryon Inc. (http://www.stryon.com) a former division of CyberCo Holdings, has merged with Halcyon Software to form a new company dedicated to the demands for high-quality software development with a special focus on migrating business applications written in legacy languages. ...

The merged company retains the Stryon name but is now an independent company affiliated with The CyberNET Group (http://www.cybernetgroup.com/), a global systems integration firm specializing in application deployment, storage architecture, data center outsourcing, thin client, I.T. security and disaster recovery. The CyberNET Group has operations throughout North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia and Australia.

"The merger with Halcyon brings tremendous capabilities to Stryon," said Barton Watson, chairman and chief executive officer of The CyberNET Group.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2002_July_11/ai_88770197

[txindy]

41. Photo of Barton Watson

I can't seem to capture a photo on a .pdf file, so here's the link. Look for the pic between the two paragraphs seen below.

http://www.testarossa.com/news/sept_2004.pdf

Throughout cyberspace, two international
Internet visionaries–Jerry
Yang, cofounder and Chief Yahoo and
Director of Yahoo! and Barton Watson,
Chairman and CEO of The CyberNET
Group–together bid an all-time record
$75,000 for Testarossa’s Santa Lucia
Highlands vineyard tour, dinner, and
wine auction lot at the Bay Area’s 22nd
Annual Vintage Affaire Charity Auction.




Left to right: Diana, Jerry Yang,
Krista Watson, Barton Watson, Rob,
Nancy Yewell, David Yewell

[txindy]

25. Diebold lawsuit in CA references CyberNet -- 2003

I don't know if this is relevant. How can we differentiate the CyberNets?
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0yHPu7OpxXQJ:www.eff.org/legal/ISP_liability/OPG_v_Diebold/plaintiff_reply_prelim_injunct.pdf+diebold+cybernet&hl=en

[Roger_Otip]

44. think that's a different cybernet

the case referenced there is about age verification for porn sites -
http://www.phillipsnizer.com/library/cases/lib_case269.cfm
http://ainews.com/Archives/Story1564.phtml
"Cybernet Ventures, Burbank, CA - Apparently, I had been charged every 30 days since April 2003" - http://www.complaints.com/directory/2004/april/17/13.htm

[eowyn_of_rohan]

45. Do we KNOW they are different? -nt

[TumorSupressor]

26. Is this the right CyberNET?

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2578803&nav=0RcdTEfx

[AnIndependentTexan]

32. yes it is and important information

Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud. Diebold is also connected to Bank One that could be the bank fraud connection. That is to much tinfoil and I'm not going to claim anything just yet.

[txindy]

36. Ooops. CyberNet and IRAN in 2002

Iran?! Two years ago? Different CyberNet?

http://www.epnn.com/epaynews2824.html

Tuesday, November 26, 2002

CyberNet wins landmark order in Iran

Korean terminal manufacturer CyberNet has closed a substantial order of over 2,000 JadeFAST terminals to Bank Mellat Iran, based in Tehran.


That's all it says. You have to subscribe to get the article.

[AnIndependentTexan]

38. U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Investigation

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/strategy/wn052301.asp

U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation


The FBI and Department of Justice are joined by the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) today to announce that criminal charges have been brought against approximately 90 individuals and companies as part of a nationwide series of investigations into Internet fraud, code named "Operation Cyber Loss," initiated by the Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC). Subjects are facing a variety of Federal and state criminal charges which include fraud by wire, mail fraud, bank fraud, money laundering, and intellectual property right violations. The fraud schemes exposed as part of this Operation represent over 56,000 victims who suffered cumulative losses in excess of $117 million.

Among the fraud schemes targeted are those involving on-line auction fraud, systemic non-delivery of merchandise purchased over the Internet, credit/debit card fraud, bank fraud, investment fraud, multi-level marketing and Ponzi/Pyramid schemes. Internet fraud can be defined as any fraudulent scheme in which one or more components of the Internet, such as Web sites, chat rooms, and e-mail, play a significant role in offering nonexistent goods or services to consumers, communicating false or fraudulent representations about the schemes to consumers, or transmitting victims' funds, access devices, or other items of value to the control of the scheme's perpetrators. Many of these cases were initiated as a result of fraud complaints the IFCC received from individuals and businesses.

"Just as neighborhood watch programs keep watch over their neighborhoods and report suspicious activity to law enforcement, Internet users now have a 'cyber community watch' program. When individual citizens, businesses, and consumer agencies work with law enforcement at all levels, we help ensure the safety and security of the Internet," said Attorney General Ashcroft.

Director Louis J. Freeh stated, "The criminal charges being announced today demonstrate the critically important role that the IFCC plays in combating crime in cyber space. It is essential that law enforcement, e-commerce, and victims of crime have this electronic clearinghouse to expeditiously disseminate Internet fraud cases to the appropriate agency for investigation.

The IFCC became operational on May 8, 2000. The IFCC’s mission is to address fraud committed over the Internet. For victims of Internet fraud, the IFCC provides a convenient and easy way to alert authorities of a suspected criminal or civil violation. Victims of Internet crime are able to go directly to the IFCC web-site at www.ifccfbi.gov, to submit their complaint information, relieving considerable frustration for them in trying to determine which law enforcement agency should receive their complaint. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies, the IFCC offers a central repository for complaints related to Internet fraud. All complaints are sent through an internal quality assurance process and are referred to the appropriate law enforcement and regulatory agencies. The IFCC uses the information to quantify fraud patterns, and provide timely statistical data of current fraud trends. The IFCC, located in Fairmont, WV, is a joint operation between the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C). It is the first project of its kind, a partnership between a federal law enforcement agency, and a non-profit private organization, serving Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies .

The accomplishments of this Operation are a direct result of the close working relationship law enforcement has developed with the private sector and e-commerce companies. As an example, Pay Pal, Inc. and Motley Fool have provided great assistance in identifying individuals engaged in wrong doing and reported that to the IFCC. The support and cooperation provided the FBI by other private sector companies such as Microsoft has also been instrumental in the success of Operation Cyber Loss.

[AnIndependentTexan]

34. BTW can someone research all information on this company [internet]

The creation of or software that has improved the internet.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

51. eek! What is this code?

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:MDO16oSYhgoJ:www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg_raw.php3%3Fmsg_id%3D1070849++%22cybernet+systems%22+porn&hl=en

FROM: Mark J. TaylorDATE: 03/10/1999 16:47:53SUBJECT: ccd driver problems with > 2GB segments, +fix

I`ve found, and corrected, a serious problem with the ccd driver
with regards to large segments. The bugs were discovered while
developing our NetMAX system, under FreeBSD 2.2.x.
The problems still exist in 3.x, and are easily repeatable.

Creating a ccd with a segment that is greater than 2048 MB bytes
in size will cause a kernel panic.

Fix:
The ccd driver has a variable "bcount" that is a long: it needs
to be a u_long. And, a 64 bit int is shifted into a 32 bit int
in ccdbuffer(): the 32 bit int must changed to be a 64 bit int.

This second change has already been made in NetBSD (somebody else
figured it out), where the ccd driver originated from. It was
rather tricky to find: the math involving block numbers and ccd
segment size had to work our just right, which generally meant
that I had to create thousands (or tens of thousands) of files
before the kernel would hang. But once I found that block, it
was infinitely repeatable.


Please, don`t ignore this one. I`ve sent patches before, and made
PRs, and they`ve just ended up in a black hole.
I`ve got more patches to FreeBSD, but I feel reluctant to submit
them, because nobody cares to either review them or commit them.


Here`s the patch to 3.1`s /sys/dev/ccd/ccd.c, followed by a sequence
of commands to generate a panic using the original ccd code:


*** ccd.c.orig Thu Feb 25 23:07:51 1999
--- ccd.c Tue Mar 9 21:11:01 1999
***************
*** 196,204 ****
static void ccdintr __P((struct ccd_softc *, struct buf *));
static int ccdinit __P((struct ccddevice *, char **, struct proc *));
static int ccdlookup __P((char *, struct proc *p, struct vnode **));
static void ccdbuffer __P((struct ccdbuf **ret, struct ccd_softc *,
! struct buf *, daddr_t, caddr_t, long));
static void ccdgetdisklabel __P((dev_t));
static void ccdmakedisklabel __P((struct ccd_softc *));
static int ccdlock __P((struct ccd_softc *));
static void ccdunlock __P((struct ccd_softc *));
--- 196,204 ----
static void ccdintr __P((struct ccd_softc *, struct buf *));
static int ccdinit __P((struct ccddevice *, char **, struct proc *));
static int ccdlookup __P((char *, struct proc *p, struct vnode **));
static void ccdbuffer __P((struct ccdbuf **ret, struct ccd_softc *,
! struct buf *, daddr_t, caddr_t, u_long));
static void ccdgetdisklabel __P((dev_t));
static void ccdmakedisklabel __P((struct ccd_softc *));
static int ccdlock __P((struct ccd_softc *));
static void ccdunlock __P((struct ccd_softc *));
***************
*** 764,772 ****
ccdstart(cs, bp)
register struct ccd_softc *cs;
register struct buf *bp;
{
! register long bcount, rcount;
struct ccdbuf *cbp<4>;
/* XXX! : 2 reads and 2 writes for RAID 4/5 */
caddr_t addr;
daddr_t bn;
--- 764,772 ----
ccdstart(cs, bp)
register struct ccd_softc *cs;
register struct buf *bp;
{
! register u_long bcount, rcount;
struct ccdbuf *cbp<4>;
/* XXX! : 2 reads and 2 writes for RAID 4/5 */
caddr_t addr;
daddr_t bn;
***************
*** 819,831 ****
register struct ccd_softc *cs;
struct buf *bp;
daddr_t bn;
caddr_t addr;
! long bcount;
{
register struct ccdcinfo *ci, *ci2 = NULL; /* XXX */
register struct ccdbuf *cbp;
register daddr_t cbn, cboff;

#ifdef DEBUG
if (ccddebug & CCDB_IO)
printf("ccdbuffer(%x, %x, %d, %x, %d)
",
--- 819,832 ----
register struct ccd_softc *cs;
struct buf *bp;
daddr_t bn;
caddr_t addr;
! u_long bcount;
{
register struct ccdcinfo *ci, *ci2 = NULL; /* XXX */
register struct ccdbuf *cbp;
register daddr_t cbn, cboff;
+ register off_t cbc;

#ifdef DEBUG
if (ccddebug & CCDB_IO)
printf("ccdbuffer(%x, %x, %d, %x, %d)
",
***************
*** 902,914 ****
cbp->cb_buf.b_vp = ci->ci_vp;
LIST_INIT(&cbp->cb_buf.b_dep);
cbp->cb_buf.b_resid = 0;
if (cs->sc_ileave == 0)
! cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount = dbtob(ci->ci_size - cbn);
else
! cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount = dbtob(cs->sc_ileave - cboff);
! if (cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount > bcount)
! cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount = bcount;

cbp->cb_buf.b_bufsize = cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount;

/*
--- 903,914 ----
cbp->cb_buf.b_vp = ci->ci_vp;
LIST_INIT(&cbp->cb_buf.b_dep);
cbp->cb_buf.b_resid = 0;
if (cs->sc_ileave == 0)
! cbc = dbtob((off_t)(ci->ci_size - cbn));
else
! cbc = dbtob((off_t)(cs->sc_ileave - cboff));
! cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount = (cbc < bcount) ? cbc : bcount;

cbp->cb_buf.b_bufsize = cbp->cb_buf.b_bcount;

/*



How To Repeat (using a vnode instead of a disk slice):

1) create a vnode that we can use as a ccd:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/XXX bs=1m count=2049
2) configure the vnode and label it:
vnconfig -c -s labels /dev/vn0 /var/tmp/XXX
disklabel -w -B vn0 auto
3) edit the disklabel to set "c" to type "4.2BSD"
disklabel -e vn0
4) config this vnode as a ccd:
ccdconfig -c ccd0 0 0 /dev/vn0c
PANIC...


With the patches above, the ccdconfig will not cause a panic, and
the ccd should work as expected.



Mark J. Taylor Networking Research
Cybernet Systems <EMAIL: PROTECTED>
727 Airport Blvd. PHONE [phone]
Ann Arbor, MI 48108 FAX [phone]
http://www.cybernet.com/ http://www.netmax.com/

[eowyn_of_rohan]

35. Gambling

Cybernet Systems Corporation
Our Real Time Intelligent Routing technology provides a low cost, high performance solution that is easy to implement. Real-time on-line applications for this technology include:
Multi-player games
Stock market interactions
Gambling
Internet-based classes
Chat rooms
Video Teleconferencing

http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~upe/ events/past_events/archive/speakeropenskieswinter2003.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... Beast -- Beast Is DIRECTOR Master Hacking & Hack And Hackers Home ... blackjack, poker, gambling, and card counting information site for ... Brazil) BTR MOLDOVA -- Commercial bank in Republic of Moldova BTREE ... for your computer in Montreal, Quebec, Canada Cybernet Systems Corporation ...
Go To : http://karma.mcc.ac.uk/gallery/cgallery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Simulation and Gaming - Using the Internet for Simulation and Gaming.
The Cybernet OpenSkies™ project has delivered the first HLA compliant scalable Massive Multiplayer Online Gaming system that supports both Military Simulation and Training and Commercial Network Gaming. Furthermore, OpenSkies™ graphics and simulation engines implement state-of-the-art, open three-dimensional simulation environments suitable for both training and recreational/gaming systems.
http://www.cybernet.com/info/about.html
~~~~~~~~~~
Immersion Corporation of San Jose, California, a leading provider of tools and technologies that allow users to physically feel their software, today announced the acquisition of Cybernet Haptic Systems of Ann Arbor, Michigan, a subsidiary of Cybernet Systems Corporation.....
Cybernet has developed force feedback technologies for many industries, including medical simulation, computer gaming, computer aided design, military simulation, molecular modeling, and automotive .....
engineering.http://www.openskies.net/training/news/immersion.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cybernet has entered into a strategic alliance with Immersion Corporation. The firms target market was mainly the gaming sector and flight simulators. However, instead of pursuing that market and competing with Immersion Corporation, we instead decided to join forced with them.
Patents:
http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/successes/ss/9-025text.html

[txindy]

37. Russia pops up again and again when searching both Diebold & CyberNet

A Google search returns over 2,000 hits, many in Russian.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=diebold+cybernet+&btnG=Search

Anybody read Russian?

[BlueDog2u]

53. I noticed that also

and I bet its significant. Who reads Russian and can do some translating?

[GregD]

72. Russian translator on their way

I passed this to a Russian friend and he will have a look.

:)

[GregD]

74. This is another option: http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[Roger_Otip]

80. babel translation of lanit.ru page

from http://www.lanit.ru/news.html?newsID=1488

On THE COMPANY LANIT

Holding LANIT (laboratory new information texnologies) - the most important Russian company, is more than fourteen years working on the market for information texnologies. Basic directions of activity - distribution, system integration, the instruction of specialists in the region IT. The spectrum of proposals covers all directions of information- technological services - from konsaltinga and reinzhiniringa of the business- processes of purchasing organization to the delivery of firmware means and instruction of specialists. LANIT is the partner of more than forty leading world companies, which specialize in the region of information texnologies. Dilerskaya network counts about 600 stably working partners practically in all regions of Russia and countries OF THE CIS.

LANIT since 1994 renders services to the banks, which realize projects with the use of plastic maps, and is partner and supplier of the resolutions of the leading world companies - Diebold, Hypercom, Cybernet and others. At present holding leads on the market for the delivery of equipment and development of software for the systems of the clearings according to the maps.


CONTACT INFORMATION

Dmitriy sivokon', the Department Director of the bank technologies of holding LANIT
Bodies: [phone], 967-6650, the fax: [phone]

[Roger_Otip]

81. not sure if this is the right cybernet though

but just in case lanit.ru is relevant here's an english page - http://www.lanit.ru/english.html

don't feel like i'm getting anywhere here.

[GregD]

76. Apparently all ATM stuff.

If someone wants to do more searching, use Babelfish. But I have a friend in Kyrgystan, and he searched Google for only articles in Russian and he only saw a bunch of ATM articles.

[txindy]

83. The FBI raided them as part of an investigation into wire and bank fraud

The ATM connection might have something to do with it. There's another article from a journal (linked to in this thread, I believe) that says they are being investigated as running a fraudulent company, a shell that exists merely to funnel money. To Russia, maybe? China? They have major equity funds like ChinaVest investing in them.

[LiberalAndProud]

39. Moneycentral usergroup - gone now.

Xcybernet Engineering (1 member)
The primary focus of XCybernet is to be a forum where both consumers and employees or x-employees of Cybernet Engineering, Cyberco Holdings or Stryon can either submit their stories for perusal by others or to discuss on the message board their problems with Cybernet amongst other people

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:MTSD1L8LPtIJ:moneycentral.communities.msn.com/browse.msnw%3Fcatid%3D3%26sortby%3D2%26alphastart%3DX+cyberCO+Holdings&hl=en

Cached page. Group no longer exists at this site:
http://moneycentral.communities.msn.com/browse.msnw?catid=3&sortby=2&alphastart=X

[txindy]

40. ChinaVest, CyberNet & Styron

http://www.globalprovince.com/chinavest_diary.htm

Halcyon Software merges with Stryon; creates leader in legacy application migration software and services

Stryon press release

18 Jun 02

For full release, see http://www.stryon.com/company.asp?s=4

Stryon (www.stryon.com) has merged with Halcyon Software. The new company will focus on developing software that will help businesses move their older software, called legacy software, to newer operating environments. The merged company, retaining the name Stryon, is closely affiliated with The CyberNET Group, a global systems integration firm with operations throughout North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia, and Australia. CyberNET CEO Barton Watson comments, "The merger with Halcyon brings tremendous capabilities to Stryon" as it "can now provide a scope of application services never before available to middle market companies and enterprise accounts." Halcyon is a portfolio company of ChinaVest.(ChinaVest is one of the oldest and largest private equity firms exclusively targeting the rapidly growing Greater China market; China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Since 1985, it has raised more than US$300 million and developed a balanced portfolio of more than 40 companies.)

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=4

ABOUT STRYON INC.
Stryon, an affiliate of The CyberNET Group, architects and implements sophisticated web and database applications and full application migrations. Backers and support include ChinaVest and H&Q Asia Pacific, veteran private equity investors in growth companies tied to Asia. The company's proven project management methodology enables timely and efficient execution of large-scale technology implementations. Visit our web site located at http://www.stryon.com or phone us at Corporate Headquarters 616.913.2727.

PRESS RELEASE CONTACT:
Kris Kotlarz
The CyberNET Group
616.913.2700
[e-mail]

[Roger_Otip]

49. diebold + stryon

article titled "Code reuse gets easier" at http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;140930134;relcomp;1

'Diebold in North Canton, Ohio, is getting better results from its reuse program than the aerospace company did. Richard King, a senior software applications support engineer, says Diebold has seen a whopping fivefold improvement on the speed of development of new applications by using its "toolbox of reusable assets."'

down at the bottom of this article, among a list of companies is:

Code migration tools:

iNET and iASP, to migrate applications developed in Microsoft-based environments to execute in Java-enabled environments

- Stryon.

www.stryon.com

diebolds voting machines are on a microsoft windows platform, so seems like stryon might have helped them out with their code??

is this the sort of thing we're looking for?

[Carolab]

42. CyberNET and FDA (510K registration database)

http://google.fda.gov/search?q=cache:d9KsFJymjVY:http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfRL/registration.cfm%3Fstart_search%3D1%26EstabRegNum%3D3004198411+CyberNET&restrict=&site=FDA&output=xml_no_dtd&client=FDA&access=p&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&oe=


http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfRL/Registration.cfm?ID=23035

SEE ABOVE POST concerning Blue Cross Blue Shield.

CyberNET has FDA and Medical insurance industry connections.

[AnIndependentTexan]

43. What is CyberFone? CyberNet Group makes it

http://www.tmcnet.com/articles/itmag/0700/0700labs_awards.htm

CyberNet Group, is providing the communications solution for the future in one package called CyberFone

CyberFone is the ease of installation and use. Creative new technology in a familiar form results in a product that does not require extensive training to operate. The core of the CyberFone unit consists of a 233 MHz Cyrix processor with 32 MB of RAM, an integrated 8" display screen with a 640x480 resolution, and 16-bit color. Also included are a laptop-sized keyboard and a touch screen with a stylus pen for easier data entry and system navigation.

[LiberalAndProud]

46. halcyon software

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=2

Management Bios
James Stewart
Chief Executive Officer
Mr.James Stewart is currently serving a dual role as CEO of Stryon and Vice President of Strategic Alliances for CNG. Like other key CNG executives, Mr. Stewart has excelled in both the entrepreneural and large technology company environments.

In a successful career dating back to 1970, Mr. Stewart has held sales, marketing and technical management positions with Texas Instruments, Sun Microsystems/I-Planet. Mr.Stewart has also held the positon of Vice President of Dealer Sales for Cascade Data and Presidnet and General Manager of Stewart/Turner Inc. a computer services company providing innovative marketing programs to the auto industry. Mr. Stewart brings to CNG a unique combination of management, market, industry, channel and technology knowledge.

Paul Blossom, PhD
Chief Operating Officer
Paul Blossom came to Stryon from CyberNET engineering where he was Senior Vice President of Operations, leading the engineering and development organizations, as well as facilitating the management and executive committee deliberations. Previously, he led Bristol Software's strategic planning, management and technology development as VP of development. Since coming to Stryon, Paul has focused on building the corporate infrastructure needed to maintain Stryon's rapid growth as a company and on ensuring that quality remains high while product development cycle times are kept to a minimum. Paul's CyberNET Group experience culminated a 20-year record of achievement as an Internet strategist, entrepreneur, professor and operations guy from the factory floor to the boardroom. Paul's well-seasoned perspective perfectly complements Stryon's needs as a young and rapidly growing software developer with a unique corporate culture. Prior to his appointment at Bristol Software, Paul was a professor teaching information systems and quantitative analysis. Before joining academia, Paul held a variety of increasingly more responsible positions at General Motors. Paul has a bachelor of science degree in Psychology, and a master's in Operations Research and Ph.D. in Operations Management from the Michigan State University.

[MominTN]

47. My previous posts

I was posting in the earlier thread at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x61397
You have most of the same info here. I got my posts from Hoovers.
They are into Casino systems in Las Vegas, and I was trying to remember the voting problem in Las Vegas. But that might be a long shot.
Also the news about them acquiring the company in Phillipines was about a week after the election. I think it would take a considerable amount of money.
The news I posted quoted a manager from "CNG Global". There is a link to CNG Global Services but I am not sure if it is the same company. The link is in my earlier post. After a search on CNG Global, I became aware that there are MANY links to companies all over the world with CNG in their name.....communications, services, and even energy.
What are the companies similar to Hoover's to do research on companies? It would be better to have a subscription. Check out "CNG Global".

[HeeBGBz]

56. This one seems ominous

http://www.cybernet.com/

"Cybernet Systems Corporation is an American Research and Development company that develops technology and commercializes products that combine software intelligence, network connectivity, robotics, and man-machine interaction. For over 14 years Cybernet has made significant contributions to the health, productivity, and security of America and the world. Our goal is to develop leading edge information-driven technology and incubate innovative products for the commercial and defense industries."


A client of Sterling Communications, Inc. "The inside agency"

http://www.sterlingpr.com/sterlingpr/home/clients/current/

[shraby]

59. CyberNet + Diebold

ATM Exchange

ATM Exchange
Visa Approved PIN Entry Device (PED) Identifier1
with: Model name, hardware #2, firmware #,
and application #
Approval
Number Approval
Class3 Renewal
Date PIN Entry
Option TDES
Capable4 EMV
Level 15
3DES Plus hardware # : 09-y1xx-00
("y" denotes a country code and
"xx" denotes model code for kit)
firmware # : 414-0224 R2x (EPP),
1.4x (PERI),
1.8x (daughter card),
2.4x (co-processor)
applic # : For use with Diebold models: 106x,
107x, CSP 400;
NCR models: 5070, 508x, 5305,
567x, 568x, 587x, 588x, 5890

[shraby]

61. From smoke to fire is the gop stealing another election?

this was in the google description:
... The CEO of Diebold, maker of one such machine ... Florida in 2000, Direct Recording
Electronic (DRE) voting ... Cybernet software systems (css) announces the release of ...


(snip)

Going to the website for Hart InterCivic, I look at the list of officers and directors. This is a Texas company spawned from a commercial printing background. Big, successful commercial printers typically do a lot of business at election times. After branching out into government services and now into DREs, Hart InterCivic was spun off into a venture capital situation. That is, sophisticated Texas-based money people smell more than just smoke, they smell big money.

I go through the list of directors and find all outside directors are venture capital people, money bags for Hart InterCivic. I look a bit further and I note that these directors and Hart officers smell like a campaign committee for George Walker Bush.

(more)
<http://www.itnowonline.com/222/5880.htm>

No date that I can see on this.

[indigo11153]

78. And then this

Director John G. Farmer is "Co-Managing Partner of Stratford Capital Partners. . . affiliated with the Hicks, Tate and Furst organization."

Do you know who these folks are? Hicks made Bush with Texas Rangers deal.

See here
http://www.partytown.com/cmp/hicksmuse.htm

[Carolab]

57. Stryon former division of CyberCo Holdings

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=4

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


Stryon Merger Creates Global Leader in Legacy Application Migration
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., June 18, 2002 - Stryon Inc. (http://www.stryon.com) a former division of CyberCo Holdings, has merged with Halcyon Software, Inc. forming a new company dedicated to the demands for high quality software development with a special focus on the migration of business applications written in legacy languages. Both companies have combined their global expertise to help businesses that wish to match the performance, functionality and value of their existing applications and systems to the fastest and most proficient technologies.

"Many companies have a tremendous investment in mission critical applications developed in COBOL, RPG, Visual Basic®, C/C++ and other languages that represent impediments to the portability and deployability of those applications," says Don Hsi, Chief Technology Officer of Stryon. "Our mission is to develop the best solutions to minimize the costs and risks associated with major changes when migrating those applications to; for example, Java™ technology J2EE™ platform environments or the Microsoft® .NET environments."

The merger, which retained the name Stryon, has spent over 13-years managing international development activities and operating multiple software development centers in North America and Asia including China and Pakistan.

Utilizing an impressive array of proprietary tools developed by Halcyon, such as the revolutionary iASP and iNET products, Stryon is now able to provide accelerated deployment and conversion services based on proven quality control methodologies -- at significant cost benefits. According to Paul Blossom, Chief Operating Officer of Stryon, "Our distinction in the marketplace is to provide local, face-to-face systems analysis, project management and systems architecture services to our clients while sending the actual application coding offshore. This structure allows us to provide a high-touch client experience at an extraordinarily attractive cost."

The new company Stryon is closely affiliated with The CyberNET Group, a global systems integration firm headquartered in the United States specializing in thin client architecture, application deployment and data center outsourcing. The CyberNET Group has operations throughout North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia and Australia. "The merger with Halcyon brings tremendous capabilities to Stryon," said Barton Watson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The CyberNET Group. "Stryon can now provide a scope of application services never before available to middle market companies and enterprise accounts."

Stryon saves money for companies wanting to get the most out of their existing software applications by effectively cutting the costs associated with staff re-training, support, operations interruptions and errors which can be encountered when upgrading and integrating both customized and packaged software over various operating environments.

###
ABOUT STRYON INC.
Stryon, an affiliate of The CyberNET Group, architects and implements sophisticated web and database applications and full application migrations. Backers and support include ChinaVest and H&Q Asia Pacific, veteran private equity investors in growth companies tied to Asia. The company's proven project management methodology enables timely and efficient execution of large-scale technology implementations. Visit our web site located at http://www.stryon.com or phone us at Corporate Headquarters 616.913.2727.

PRESS RELEASE CONTACT:
Kris Kotlarz
The CyberNET Group
616.913.2700
[e-mail]

[stirringstill]

58. Broaden search to Blass's CV

If people are eager to dig, it may be worthwhile to examine the CV of Piotr Blass. It is possible that CyberNet is just a dead end or at least not very promising. I'm lost as to why Blass was at Baypoint Schools, given his publications and experience. There may be a good sound reason; nonetheless, if he is somehow involved or linked to vote manipulation, some other leads may be present in the information below. Just a thought.______


(snip)
2004- Professor of Computer Mathematics at Keiser Career College in South Florida.

Implementing state of the art school for professional students. Presiding over Ettinger University for staff development. The School is well known in Florida as one of the best career schools in the state.


2003- Professor of Computer Mathematics at Baypoint Schools in South Florida.

Implementing state of the art school for teenagers at risk. Presiding over Ettinger University for staff development. The School of sponsored by the Governor

of Florida as one of the best in the country.

Chief Architect, Alenet Inc. Miami, Florida. Designed and constructed a complete CRM system using PHP and Mysql. Several major contracts resulted from this work.


2001- Computer Science, Florida Atlantic University, Devry University Orlando

Teaching the class of Data Base, Principles of Software Engineering and Data Structure and Algorithms


Chief Architect, Zeosync Inc. Data Compression, Financial Software, Controlled Fusion

Research. Video on Demand, HDTV. Simultaneously teaching Software Engineering and Data structures classes at Florida Atlantic University as well as Mathematics classes at Broward Community College. Several patents are in progress. Developed software for Time Warner AOL and for Sony. Lead a group of developers including top national and international experts in data compression, financial computing and controlled fusion research. Multimillion-dollar revenue for the company resulted. Chairman of Zaamen Inc a newly established industry leader.


2000- Chief Scientist, Grasshopper Central Inc.

Distance learning universal patented software. Web enabled courses and universities. National

Traffic Safety Institute course for all fifty states. SQL Server 2000, ASP, Cold Fusion, E Commerce, XML.Data Warehousing and Data Mining. Assured a long-term multimillion-dollar contract for the company with NTSI. Coded data driven Search Engine software. Responsible for a team of developers, academic consultants, visual artists and business leaders working on creating, testing and implementing the proprietary educational software. Developed a new proprietary web highlighter using MFC. Implemented web enabled asset allocation and options trading software. Designed a proprietary inventory control system.

1999- Senior Developer, Claimcard, Inc.

Stored Value Card Authorization. Data Warehousing SQL coding, OLTP and OLAP Systems design and implementation. Created a system with several million credit cards on line. Database tuning. Index tuning. Query optimization. Normalization Issues resolved. Constructed from scratch a complete data warehouse using SQL Server 7 OLAP tools.

Used ROLAP, MOLAP and HOLAP techniques. Radical simplification of the system resulted from this work. Considerable revenue and recognition for the company followed. Used Platinum ERWIN tool for data modeling and presenting the terabytes of data necessary for this project

1998 - Chief Technical Officer and Database Administrator, Airtime Technologies, Inc.
Designed and coded a proprietary SQL 7.0 database for POS Transaction processing. Interface with Verifone terminals and printers. This system is currently processing up to a million transactions daily. It is flexible enough to accommodate a variety of terminal loads and to sell a large selection of products such as cellular phones, calling cards, foreign exchange cash cards, etc. Patent is pending. The system is also implemented using Oracle and UNIX environment. Created, coded and delivered a complete reporting system for merchants, carriers and ISO’s.


1998 Systems Analyst and Senior Developer, ADT, Inc.
Implementing CORBA Solutions in the context of a very large ORACLE database. Testing financial interface with Melon Bank. Tools used were IDL, PS/SQL, C++, Developer 2000, and FTP Servers, UNIX Shell scripts.

1998 Senior Developer, AIE, Inc.
Developed a system applicable to lotteries and options trading. Three tier architecture including an MS SQL 7.0 database, IIS Server, ASP, ISAPI programming, seamless integration with Macromedia. and Shockwave multimedia interface. Considerable revenue resulted, several patents are pending.

1998 Webmaster, Search Engine Analyst, Director of Scientific Marketing Research,
Web Marketing, Inc.
Designed and developed Websites for a variety of products and companies and maximized web traffic by developing a proprietary analytical statistical tool focused on the AltaVista and Infoseek Search Engines. Considerable increase in web traffic was achieved. Daily work with Windows 98, MS Office 97, PFT, UNIX web servers. Multiple Statistical Regression tools, clustering analysis tools and web traffic analysis software.


1998 Database Project Director, Bank Rate Monitor, Inc.
Designed an industry wide database to describe the entire financial industry in the U.S. including BRM Publications, Financial Institutions, and Financial Products. The database is being implemented using SQL Server 6.5, Visual Interdev 6.0, Visual FoxPro 6.0, Visual Studio 6.0, Visual C++ 6.0, J++ 6.0, and Visual Basic, 6.0. Coordinated a seminar of users and database administrators. Added new products such as variable annuities, exchange rates to BRM products. The database is producing for example for Federal Reserve, New York Times, Kiplingers, Money Magazine, etc. Created proprietary asset allocation software. Performed statistical studies of bank concentrations. Developed new timing and scheduling implementations. Coordinated training of students by BRM from top universities and high schools.


1998 Director of Engineering, Click Flood Express, Inc.
Developing a system for electronic commerce nationwide in scope. Distributed databases. Verisign credit card security Internet faxing gateways. Coordinating work with subcontractors. Access Crystal Reports, Cold Fusion, Active Server Pages, Actibase, Oracle, JavaScript, VB Script, Java, JDBC, ODBC, and Database normalization and optimization techniques are among tools used. Organized scientific advisory board including top scientists. Active in shareholder relations and fundraising for the company. Worked closely with artists and webmasters to maintain artistic appeal of the GUIS multimedia, streaming video, streaming audio and advertising tickertape were employed with state of the art compression methods. Designed an event tracking method for advertising and accounting purposes.




1998 Director of Computer Science, Digital Crossover Systems DXO
Development of the backbone structure for a large telephone and data network. Utilizing PBX, ADSL, ATM and compression techniques. Design of global routers and other aspects of the network topology. Coding in C, C++, UNIX, PSOS, and Linux. Programming microcomputers and chips. Coordinating scientific advisory board collaborating with local phone contractors and with Sprint scientists. Effective fundraising work for the company.


1997 Developer and Project Manager, Galacticomm, Inc.
Developing a Web enabled database super system, Actibase, based on ODBC, Visual C++, Data Base SDK, and Visual Basic. Production Manager for Actibase. An application to catalogues and finance. Work with major companies including AT&T, Simon & Schuster,
and Standard & Poor. Techniques used include ISAPI, Active HTML, CGI, Cold Fusion,
advanced SQL, Borland C++, Microsoft and Netscape Browser, IIS, Windows 95, NT and 98, Oracle. Writing an Actibase White Paper. Lead Actibase education work. UNIX administrator.


1997 Professor and Coordinator, Coordinating a Seminar for IBM
Sound Compression, Multicasting, Visual Basic Database Applications, Lotus Notes, Electronic Journals, Supercomputers, Parallel Processing, Data Warehousing,
Industry Wide Databases, Artificial Intelligence.

1997 Developer and Director of Research, Pipedreaming, Inc.
Developing a new patented broadcasting system for the Internet. Data compression, TCP/IP, C, C++ programming, Mathematica, and database development. JAVA development, HTML, Web pages.


1997 Systems Analyst, Atlas Audiotex, Inc.
Computer Technology. Programming in C, C++, Visual Basic, SQL Server 6.5, FoxPro. Developed joint computer telephony projects with major multinational companies GTECH, SPRINT. Considerable revenue resulted from this work.


1995 Senior Programmer, Pension Research Institute
Developed and designed Asset Allocation software to be used by a major Michigan bank. New proprietary techniques created and introduced. C, C++, Visual Basic programming. Major investors currently use the software.

1995 Professor, Palm Beach Community College

1993 Senior Analyst, Noble Investments, Inc.
Asset Allocation software, trend prediction software.
This work is in progress as we develop collaboration with
Standard & Poor’s headquarters.

1993 Consultant, Florida National Bank
Developed consumer loan software for the bank.
C, C++, Visual Basic and oracle programming.

1991 Consultant, Teledata, Inc.
Software for measuring effects of oil leaks at gas stations.
EPA approved product. UNIX development.

1989 Editor in Chief, Ulam Quarterly Journal
Founded and created the first peer reviewed electronic mathematics
journal. Nationally and internationally recognized achievement.
FTP, Mosaic, Gopher WWW development.
Current site: www.ulam.usm.edu.

1989 Summer II Associate Professor, University of Michigan

1988 Consultant, Merck, Inc.
Developed software for the study of pharmaceutical prices in
different countries. Adopted by OECD for use by the European community. C, C++, Visual Basic, FoxPro, programming

[Roger_Otip]

64. joseph klock

jeff fisher says that piotr blass is protecting attorney joseph klock because he defended his son or something.
on his cv at http://www.steelhector.com/attorneys_display.php?id=75
it shows "Bay Point Schools; Leadership Seminar 2001 - Present"

[Magic_Cookie]

67. Klock

Mr. Joseph P. Klock Jr.
Chairman and Managing Partner
Steel Hector & Davis LLP
Miami, FL
[e-mail]
[phone]


Other Titles Held
Chairman of International Executive Committee

Additional Current Employment
National Beverage Corp
Board Memberships and Affiliations
Miami, FL Esq. (past)
Miami City Club Board Member
Barry University Trustee
New Hope Charities Inc Board Member
Collins Center Member of Board of Trustees
Miami Children's Hospital Board Member
Miami Art Museum Board Member
Free Trade
Florida Trustee (past)

Past Employment History
State Katherine Harris Florida Secretary

On the list of The 100 Most Powerful People in South Florida in 2002

[Magic_Cookie]

65. Blass

Dr. Piotr Blass
Chief Technology Advisor
ZeoSync Corporation

Dated January 2002:
Dr. Piotr Blass, chief technology advisor at ZeoSync, said "Our recent accomplishment is so significant that highly randomized information sequences, which were once considered non-reducible by the scientific community, are now massively reducible using advanced single-bit- variance encoding and supporting technologies."
http://backseatdriver.com/clients/ZeoSync/docs/drblass.htm

[bleever]

60. OK guys, maybe the tinfoil hat's on a little tight, but does anyone else

get the feeling that maybe this big enterprise is possibly fueled by money from (drumroll please)...porn? Isn't a huge portion of internet commerce actually porn? And they make their money selling security for online commerce.

Crazy? I don't know. Crazy like funding an illegal Central American war with cocaine money? Crazy like letting a country you just bombed back to the stone age re-establish itself with billions from the heroin trade?

Not that I have anything against porn, you understand. Just the titanic irony of the fact! See this excerpt from an earlier post (#9):


"Key Vertical Industries Served
(up to five)
Accounting/Banking/Financial Services
Defense Contractor/Military
Entertainment/Media/Publishing
Healthcare/Medical/Dental/Pharmacy
Manufacturing

Industry Most Served
Entertainment/Media/Publishing"


I'm not sure if I've added anything to the conversation here, but I will say this: when it comes to the moral values conversation, everyone has a clear (public) position on PORN.

[HeeBGBz]

62. DoD Awards Cybernet Systems $750,000

http://www.cybernet.com/news/releases/CYB05-03-04.pdf

Virtual Prototyping Simulation Software

[Roger_Otip]

63. wrong cybernet

http://www.cybernet-usa.com

[4democracy]

69. Is someone coordinating all this info to send to BBV?

[mcg]

70. There are many different Cybernets, I don't see a proven tie-in ...

...to the election.

Is there any connection between Cybernet Group (the company raided) and Cybernet Ventures or Cybernet Software Systems? The fact that
their names start with Cybernet doesn't necessarily mean there is
a tie-in.

Here are some companies whose names begin with Cybernet:

CYBERNET 1911 NW 40th Ct Pompano Beach, FL 33064
CYBERNET 5137 Ming Ave Bakersfield, CA 93309
CYBERNET 1 Inc 222 N 2nd St Hamilton, MT 59840
CYBERNET AD CONSULTING 1401 N Vine St Victoria, TX 77901
CYBERNET Associates 3115 Turniptown Rd, # 4049 Ellijay, GA 30540
CYBERNET Associates 47 High Ridge Rd Brookfield, CT 06804
CYBERNET Associates Inc 28 Van Riper St Staten Island, NY 10302
CYBERNET AUTOMATION SYSTEMS 229 Lodestone Cir Cedar Park, TX 78613
CYBERNET BREVARD Inc 4680 Lipscomb St NE Palm Bay, FL 32905
CYBERNET CAFE 760 E Rand Rd Arlington Heights, IL 60004
CYBERNET CAFE 4740 N Cumberland Ave Chicago, IL 60656
CYBERNET CAFE 2000 422 Broadway Chula Vista, CA 91910
CYBERNET Communications 2801 E Vernon Ave Los Angeles, CA 90058
CYBERNET Communications 270 N Canon Dr Beverly Hills, CA 90210
CYBERNET Communications Inc 424 W 45th St, Apt 2W New York, NY 10036
CYBERNET Communications Inc 1745 114th Ave SE Bellevue, WA 98004
CYBERNET Communications Inc 7520 Ponce De Leon Rd Richmond, VA 23237
CYBERNET Communications Inc 2932 Wilshire Blvd Santa Monica, CA 90403
CYBERNET Communications Inc 122 Oldwick Rd Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
CYBERNET COMPUTER TECHNOLOGIES 2413 Long St Greensburg, PA 15601
CYBERNET COMPUTERS 215 N Decatur St Montgomery, AL 36104
CYBERNET CONSULTANTS Inc 6 N Rich Rd Denville, NJ 07834
CYBERNET CONSULTING Inc 3934 Murphy Canyon Rd San Diego, CA 92123
CYBERNET CORPORATION Inc 7549 179th St Flushing, NY 11366
CYBERNET ENGINEERING 1620 W Fountainhead Pkwy Tempe, AZ 85282
CYBERNET ENGINEERING 1745 Hummingbird Rd Carlsbad, CA 92009
CYBERNET ENGINEERING 843 93rd Ave N Saint Petersburg, FL 33702
CYBERNET Enterprises Inc 42 Taft Ct Staten Island, NY 10314
CYBERNET ENTERTAINMENT LLC 942 Mission St San Francisco, CA 94103
CYBERNET FINANCIAL Inc 710 Oakfield Dr Brandon, FL 33511
CYBERNET FUNDING 3409 S Georgia St Amarillo, TX 79109
CYBERNET HOSTING 1215 E Colorado St Glendale, CA 91205
CYBERNET INFOSYSTEMS Inc 7501 W Oaklan Fort Lauderdale, FL 33319
CYBERNET INNOVATIONS Inc 26156 Timber Trl Dearborn Heights, MI 48127
CYBERNET INTERNATIONAL Co Inc 601 E Pratt St Baltimore, MD 21202
CYBERNET INTERNATIONAL Inc 4141 Pestana Pl Fremont, CA 94538
CYBERNET INTERNET MKTG Inc 30495 Canwood St, Ste 101I Agoura Hills, CA 91301
CYBERNET LLC 160 E Park Ave Long Beach, NY 11561
CYBERNET LOGIC Inc 6871 Simms St Hollywood, FL 33024
CYBERNET LOUNGE 1606 Monteval Ct San Jose, CA 95120
CYBERNET MANUFACTURING Inc 5001 Birch St Newport Beach, CA 92660
CYBERNET MARKETING Houston, TX 77269
CYBERNET MARKETING LLC 288 Simmonsville Ave Johnston, RI 02919
CYBERNET PROCESSING Services 7850 Mission Center Ct San Diego, CA 92108
CYBERNET PRODUCTIONS 49932 SW 45th Rd Odell, NE 68415
CYBERNET PUBLICATIONS 5303 Pacific Hwy E, Ste 20 Tacoma, WA 98424
CYBERNET QUEST 4809 Churchill St Saint Paul, MN 55126
CYBERNET REAL ESTATE Inc 3830 Wilderness Trl Indianapolis, IN 46237
CYBERNET REALTY LLC 7301 Mission Rd, Ste 230 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208
CYBERNET SERVICES Inc 704 Edgewater Ave Dayton, TN 37321
CYBERNET SERVICES Inc 4391 N Cottonwood Trl Hoffman Estates, IL 60195
CYBERNET SOFTWARE SYSTEMS Inc 350 5th Ave, Ste 1806 New York, NY 10118
CYBERNET SOFTWARE SYSTEMS Inc 3031 Tisch Way, Ste 1002 San Jose, CA 95128
CYBERNET SOLUTIONS 1200 N Veitch St, Apt 536 Arlington, VA 22201
CYBERNET SOLUTIONS Inc 1619 Wandrei Ct Commerce Township, MI 48382
CYBERNET SOLUTIONS Inc 511 N Hartland Ct, Apt 3N Chicago, IL 60622
CYBERNET SYSTEM MANAGEMENT 1100 E Woodfield Rd Schaumburg, IL 60173
CYBERNET SYSTEMS Corp. 727 Airport Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48108
CYBERNET TECH GROUP Inc 73 Circle Dr N Elmont, NY 11003
CYBERNET TECHNOLOGIES Inc 2601 SW 31st Ave Hallandale, FL 33009
CYBERNET VENTURES 237 W 35th St, FL 12A New York, NY 10001
CYBERNET VENTURES Inc 17328 Ventura Blvd Encino, CA 91316
CYBERNET WORLDS Inc Danville, AR 72833

[bmoney07]

73. More fuel for the fire

I pulled this off of BBV - thought you all would be interested

Auditors
Crew
Nov-19-04, 12:23 PM (PST)

36. "But then it gets interesting....So what is voting machine doing with Linux?"
In response to message #35

"So what is voting machine doing with Linux?" I then thought, so I started checking out and sniffing around alot more...

I decided to check out and do a whois search on Guitterez...

What did I find? Surprise surprise, family is on the ranking district committee and every single voting election network there is...

http://www.nic.uk/Members/VotingRights/AllocationOfVoti...
http://chat.forclark.com/story/2004/11/4/173429/001
http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2004/Senate/Calend...
2PhbEFyiOAJ:www.bufferoverflow.it/+Alan+Gutierrez+es%26s&hl=en " target="_blank">http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache2PhbEFyiOAJ:www.buffe...

But then why is Cybernet stressing Linux so hard?
http://news.com.com/Linux+firm+CyberNet+planning+IPO/21...

VA Linux right...Who owns VA Linux? Sequoia systems....(the third e-vote business...)
http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=Cybernet+gives+Linu...

Here's a strange article about Cybernet when they were at an all time low.....(election?)
http://www.mtusysadm.mtu.edu/cgi-bin/minutes?minutes=mi...


And what do we have here but something more odd?
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Nxr6xc1jW24J:www.cyb...

The executive board have familiar names...

And what do we have here?
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Election_C...

More of those familiar names, on the board of NASED, and Sequoia etc being accused of being a front group....Maybe thats all they are...

Oh yeah, why are they listed on the allocation of voting RIGHTS?
http://www.nic.uk/Members/VotingRights/AllocationOfVoti...

CyberNET Systems (Ventures Inc.) is about the furthest thing from voting rights there is, and after all, the guitterez family....Just look it up, its the writing on the wall

[momzno1]

75. wtf is this? Is this BS?

none of those links work. Are you for real?

[nolabels]

77. somebody must of pasted the link missing data

skip it

[Blue in the face]

79. Can I get the info to the link at BBV?

Nevermind, I found where everyone at BBV is discussing their research

[BamaBecky]

82. http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/cyb111904.cfm

However, sources say the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud

[RubyCat]

84. Lawsuit filed against The CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2591580&nav=0RcdTLbg


(Grand Rapids, November 19, 2004, 6:01 p.m.) A lawsuit has now been filed against a Grand Rapids Internet company after federal agents raided the building.

On Wednesday, federal investigators shut down The CyberNET Group on South Division Avenue and locked employees out. Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 that investigators were looking for evidence of wire, mail, and bank fraud. They hauled away computers and financial records linked to the company.

Employees returned to work Friday for the time since the raid. They entered through a backdoor of the world headquarters facility on South Division Avenue.

Now 24 Hour News 8 has obtained copies of a lawsuit filed Thursday against CyberCo, the parent company of The CyberNet Group. Fraud is one of the allegations outlined in the lawsuit.

In the lawsuit, Charter One Vendor Finance of Illinois says it loaned The CyberNET Group $3 million so the company could buy 66 computer servers. But in the lawsuit, Charter One said it could only find evidence of 25 servers at the company's Grand Rapids' headquarters, and The CyberNET Group could not provide an explanation. Charter One believes The CyberNET Group misused the loaned money and used false information to secure the loan.

Charter One says in the lawsuit that The CyberNET Group CEO Barton Watson has a longstanding and uninterrupted history of perpetrating fraud.

Barton Watson was not around during the raid, not in his office, or not at his million dollar home in Ada. He served time in prison in 1994 after a federal judge sentenced him to one to three years for fraud.

According to court documents obtained by 24 Hour News 8, at the time of that sentencing Watson told the judge, “I suffer from a great deal of concern about how I got from A to Z. I have a lot of regret about what happened, not just because I stole a great deal of money from a number of people, but particularly in that I abused their trust and their friendship.”

Later, he said, “I'm still only 26, moving on to 27-years-old, and I'd like a chance to live life, and forever I will have this felony hanging over my head.”

After prison, Watson went on and found The CyberNET Group, an international Internet company. Since the federal raid and subsequent news reports, 24 Hour News 8 has been flooded with e-mails and calls from former employees, alleging years of misconduct.

Although back on the job, employees admit being worried if The CyberNET Group will remain open and operating. Employees were expected to get a more detailed description and explanation Friday about why federal investigators came to their place of business.

[vanboggie]

85. kick

:kick:

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

87. kick

[jbnow]

90. And a fake company noted

http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/cyb111904.cfm

CyberNet Group Offices Raided
November 19, 2004 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) --

According to one report, a lawsuit against The CyberNet Group was filed in Kent County Court on Thursday, charging the company with fraud and breach of contract. The suit alleges that The CyberNet Group’s founder and chairman Barton Watson and chief operating officer James Horton are operating a fake company, based in Delaware, to funnel money.

Good to know CyberCo is parent company from article you posted.

[lavendermist]

86. Kick

:kick:

[BamaBecky]

88. history

http://www.cybernetww.com/pages/offices.html

http://www.cybernetww.com/pages/about.html history

http://www.cybernetww.com/pages/team.html management

[Roger_Otip]

89. wrong cybernet

http://www.cybernetgroup.com or http://www.cybernet-usa.com (same site)
this is the one based in grand rapids MI that was raided.