"Faithless Electors" = electors from OH and FL who vote for BUSH

[scottxyz]

Just a little reminder.

[Kolesar]

1. ?

[scottxyz]

2. You really don't get it?

nt

[Kolesar]

3. faithless as in ...

... psychotic, antisocial planet destroyers?

[anamandujano]

4. electors can vote for whoever they want

Even if Kerry wins the state, the republicans can give it to Bush.

They had planned to do this in Florida in 2000, if Gore somehow managed to get the votes counted.

[Fortunato]

5. Electors don't flip-flop.

There is not one group of electors, who is then told who to vote for. (if that was the case, maybe they'd listen to reason.)

There are TWO groups of electors. One is chosen by the Republicans. One is chosen by the Democrats. Both parties each have their own slate.

The winner of the state gets to choose which group of electors goes to Wash to place the vote for that state. See what I mean?

This is why a slate of electors does not flip and "vote for the other guy" -- they are not "neutral third-parties" but are as partisan as they come. And the state general-populace vote determines which partisan group gets to "vote for president" for that state.

Would Hillary Clinton flip Republican? Would Bill Frist flip democrat? Nope. And the people chosen as potential electors for their party for a state are even more fervent.

[Carolab]

7. There are other states

that we can recount/contest, remember?

[heliarc]

11. Lett Simmons

From DC Flipped to a blank vote in protest over the 2000 election... and did it against the laws which bind electors to the popular vote in the District of Columbia...

Don't think its impossible. In fact this is precisely the thing the electoral college should protect us from.

Heliarc

[anamandujano]

14. Sorry, there was some talk in the Florida senate in 2000

which was televised, and I watched. Perhaps they were going to not certify in time or do something that insured that Bush got the votes, throw it into the house of reps which is repuke.

But as others have pointed out, in some states they are not bound. It seems there's always a new way that we find out that we can be nullified.

[Kolesar]

16. Congress can "reject" the electors as sent up by a state

If a noble gop elector decides that the future of the human race depends upon him flipping to Kerry, the gop congress will overrule him. It is as in the early scene of F9-11 when the black representatives were trying to get a Senator to join them in objecting to Florida's electors.

[Silverhair]

19. A Republican congress is going to reject a slate of Republican Electors???

Not in this reality.

[Kolesar]

21. read my post again

If a noble gop elector decides that the future of the human race depends upon him flipping to Kerry, the gop congress will overrule him.

[Silverhair]

20. You have it wrong.

The state legislature sends a body of electors to the electoral college. In FL the state legislature is Rep, so they were going to send a body of Rep electors anyway. The electors are ultra partisans.

[bemis12]

22. I saw someone

describe trying to get electors to flip as "trying to get 12 Sean Hannity's to vote for Kerry" yesterday. That's exactly how it ought to be viewed. It's purely not going to happen. There's a far better chance that Flordia will fall off into the ocean before selecting electors.

You people on the states bordering Florida, start digging a big trench around the boundary!

[anamandujano]

23. that was it, thanks

I watched on TV for hours and hours. I remember that the outcome was going to be republican, just not how they were going to do it.

Thanks again for setting it straight.

[silvershadow]

6. Anybody know if the names of the electors are public record ?

Just curious.

[SittingInTheMiddle]

8. Certainly.

I've seen 'em in other threads, but I didn't bookmark 'em.

[PeterPan]

9. the electors are

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORs
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY
FOR GEORGE W. BUSH 2004
ELIZABETH WAGNER
3020 DAYTONA AVENUE
CINCINNATI, OH 45211-7021

LESLIE SPAETH
389 CLOVERWOOD DRIVE
MASON, OH 45040-2155

CARL WICK
861 DEER RUN ROAD
CENTERVILLE, OH 45459-4873

KARYLE MUMPER
1195 CHANTELOUP DRIVE
MARION, OH 43302

JOYCE HOUCK
4506 SHERMAN-NORWICH ROAD
WILLARD, OH 44890

DAVID JOHNSON
570 HIGHLAND AVENUE
SALEM, OH 44460

KATHARINA HOOPER
627 EAST WHEELING STREET
LANCASTER, OH 43130

OWEN HALL
7408 STATE ROUTE 703
CELINA, OH 45822

BETTY JO SHERMAN
19380 WEST ARTZHEIM LANE
ELMORE, OH 43416-9793

ROBERT FROST
37 KENSINGTON OVAL
ROCKY RIVER, OH 44116

PERNEL JONES
7204 CEDAR AVENUE
CLEVELAND, OH 44103

MEROM BRACHMAN
311 NORTH DREXEL AVENUE
COLUMBUS, OH 43209-1430

GARY SUHADOLNIK
15046 FORESTWOOD DRIVE
STRONGSVILLE, OH 44149-5903

ALEX ARSHINKOFF
466 WEST STREETSBORO STREET
HUDSON, OH 44236-2059

HENRY O’NEILL
3050 CARRIAGE LANE
COLUMBUS, OH 43221-4900

KIRK SCHURING
1817 DEVONSHIRE DRIVE NW
CANTON, OH 44708

RANDY LAW
1446 CLEMMENS AVENUE NW
WARREN, OH 44485-2105

PHIL BOWMAN
20 ROBIN HILL LANE
JACKSON, OH 45640-9300

WILLIAM DEWITT, JR.
5825 DREWRY FARM LANE
CINCINNATI, OH 45243-3441

BILLIE JEAN FIORE
995 BUCKEYE AVENUE
NEWARK, OH 43055-2558


PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY
FOR JOHN F. KERRY 2004

STEVE HUFFMAN
4129 HUSTON AVENUE
NORWOOD, OH 45212

CHARLOTTE DAVIDSON
548 ASPEN GLEN DRIVE
CINCINNATI, OH 45244

TERRENCE LARRIMAR
1755 ARLINGTON AVENUE
COLUMBUS, OH 43212

ROBERT HAMILTON
600 DOROTHY MOORE AVENUE, UNIT 14
URBANA, OH 43078

BRENDA GRIFFITH
1216 MAGNOLIA
DEFIANCE, OH 43512

WILLIAM E. MOORE
114 1⁄2 MAPLE AVE.
WOODSFIELD, OH 43793

RICHARD HENRY
11405 LOWER VALLEY PIKE
MEDWAY, OH 45341

RONNIE WARDRUP
6535 TAYLOR TRACE LANE
HAMILTON, OH 45011

DAVID E. GIESE
5029 MAPLEVIEW DR., P.O. BOX 10
VERMILLION, OH 44089

SHERROD BROWN
2628 S. ERIE
LORAIN, OH 44053

DEAN DEPIERO
6020 KELLEY LANE
CLEVELAND, OH 44134

DAVID STALEY
85 OAK HILL AVENUE
DELAWARE, OH 43015

JOHN BENDER
2346 ROXBURY ROAD
AVON, OH 44011

CAPRI CAFARO
600 WARNER ROAD
HUBBARD, OH 44425

FRAN ALBERY
2281 LANE RD.
UPPER ARLINGTON, OH 43220

SHANNON LEININGER
219 T.R. 2602
LOUDONVILLE, OH 44842

CHRIST MICHELAKIS
7780 MICAWBER RD.
WARREN, OH 44484

SANDY COX
920 THIRD STREET NE
NEW PHILADELPHIA, OH 44663

JOE RUGOLA
4771 POWDERHORN LANE
WESTERVILLE, OH 43081

JOYCE BEATTY
2344 WOODWARD AVENUE
COLUMBUS, OH 43219

[heliarc]

10. OHIO legally binds electors

Only some of the states in the union (26?) have no laws binding electors to the popular vote... Unfortunately Ohio is bound by law... but if we can turn 12 votes to Kerry or into blank votes we have a win or draw situation... The following are the red states this election that DO NOT BIND their electors:

ARIZONA - 10 Electoral Votes
ARKANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
GEORGIA - 15 Electoral Votes
IDAHO - 4 Electoral Votes
INDIANA - 11 Electoral Votes
IOWA - 7 Electoral Votes
KANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
KENTUCKY - 8 Electoral Votes
LOUISIANA - 9 Electoral Votes
MISSOURI - 11 Electoral Votes
NORTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
SOUTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
TENNESSEE - 11 Electoral Votes
TEXAS - 34 Electoral Votes
UTAH - 5 Electoral Votes
WEST VIRGINIA - 5 Electoral Votes  

Please help me find the list of electors for these states. We should create a paper campaign to really reach out to these voters and FAST.

Heliarc

[St. Jarvitude]

12. Electors are almost always hard-liners in the party

People who won't suddenly decide to change their vote, even if evidence of mass voter fraud is revealed to them.

[Carolab]

15. How about those in states where we KNOW it was rigged?

Where we can actually explain it in a critically sound manner, and where Kerry was SUPPOSED to win per the polls?

Where it was so close that they can't argue the logic?

Which states on the list would those be?

[m berst]

17. don't be ridiculous

The parties put together their slate of electors. The state decides which slate to send. No one is going to flip, and no one is going to be influenced by a letter campaign. If anything it would be in the media as an example of desparate Dems harrassing people.

[henslee]

13. Sorry, Scott but heard this same talk back in 2000. Only to get bummed out

[Silverhair]

18. Won't happen. Here is how the system works:

When you voted for Kerry, you were actually voting for an elector who was pledged to vote for Kerry. That elector was an ultra dependable Democratic Party stalwart that had been in the party for generations.

Works the same for the Republicans. Now what is the chance of a super solid red Republican Party ultra loyalist voting Democrat?

You can forget any idea of any electors switching sides.

It ain't gonna happen.

[heliarc]

24. Half the states have no legal restrictions or pledge

In half the states the electors are bound either legally or by a pledge, in the rest there is no such legal restriction. Yes, these are party regulars, BUT there are historical precedents for Electors who flip their votes. It happened in 2000 and it could happen this time.

[bemis12]

25. Nonsense

It's never happended in a meaningful way to influence an election. Sometimes a protest vote has been posted when it made no difference.

And there was a mass defection in the 1800's(?) when the candidate was dead.

No thinking person believes this can happen. Focus on the things that CAN happen.