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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 08:51 AM
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The best reasons why mainstream media should cover vote fraud?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 09:16 AM by tommcintyre
I have read many posts where people are sending emails to national media contacts, demanding that they cover voting irregularities adequately - and that they do it fairly (no more conspiracy and "tin foil hat" angles please!).

To be effective, we need to present both the most convincing AND credible arguments. And we must do it in a concise manner. Reporters and editors receive hundreds of emails everyday, and (initially) they won't read through (or check) a large quantity of info to determine if a potential story deserves more attention.

So I'm asking Duers to list what they think are our most convincing and credible links here; and how they should be presented (i.e. what "attitude" we should take in approaching the MSM).

I'll start with a few I believe would fit this criteria:

1) The University of Pennsylvania study that concluded that there is a 250 million to one chance for the exit polls and the election results to have turned out as they did.

"250 million to one! That's the odds against Bush having actually garnered as many votes as he is credited with in OH, FL and PA. The exit polls are accurate, the vote count isn't, according to this analysis. (actual link) <Right-click and save target as>"
<From my web site - under 11-10-04 section> http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud_statistical_analysis.htm

2) 11-12 "Washington Post's Sloppy Analysis" "...signaled their determination to put questions about Bush’s victory outside the bounds of responsible debate. Yet, if they hadn’t been so set in this agenda, they might have avoided sloppy mistakes and untrue assertions.
In an example of their slipshod reporting, Roig-Franzia and Keating state that we focused our data analysis on rural counties in Florida. They suggest that Bush’s gains in these rural counties might be explained by the greater appeal of son-of-the-South Al Gore in 2000 than Bostonian John Kerry in 2004.
But we didn’t focus on rural counties in Florida. Rather we looked at the vote tallies statewide and zeroed in on Bush’s performance in the larger, more metropolitan counties of southern and central Florida, where Bush got the vast majority of his new votes over his state totals in 2000.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/111204.html
<A good example of analytical journalism, done by Robert Parry, a former "insider". It is also valuable since it debunks the "debunkers".>

3)The Keith Olbermann shows from last week. I particularly liked where he compared the Caltech/MIT study to the one from U of Penn. The former found no significant statistical aberration on a state-by-state basis. However, Olbermann pointed out that they included ALL states; as where the U of Penn study only included the swing states, and it showed a significant statistical aberration (250 million to one odds!). Keith concluded that this study is more relevant in determining whether potential voting fraud occurred, since it wouldn't be necessary to "jack up" the vote totals in non-swing states. <Plus MSNBC adds mainstream credibility.>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

4) "FBI denies warning officials of any special threat" Warren County officials, facing scrutiny of their decision to lock down the administration building on election night, say they were responding to a terrorist threat that ranked a "10" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The information, which Commissioner Pat South said was previously deemed confidential, is coming out a week after the public was barred from viewing the Warren County vote count. The Ohio Secretary of State's office doesn't know of any other county in the state to impose such a restriction.

County officials initially said they feared that having reporters and photographers present could interfere with the ballot counting. They subsequently cited homeland security concerns.

Now, they say an FBI agent told them that Warren County ranked a "10" on a terrorism scale. However, state and federal homeland security officials said Tuesday they were unaware of any specific threat against the county.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/10/loc_warrenvote10.html
<This story should have made national headlines and became a HUGE scandal. This story, above all else, has convinced me that there is a news "lockdown" on presidential election voting fraud.>

5) "UC Berkeley Research Team Sounds 'Smoke Alarm' for Florida E-Vote Count" Statistical Analysis - the Sole Method for Tracking E-Voting - Shows Irregularities May Have Awarded 130,000 - 260,000 or More Excess Votes to Bush in Florida.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-18-2004/0002464301&EDATE=
<This story has the credibility of a top-notch university behind it. This should be becoming a MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT for MSM - considering their lack of coverage!>

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This brings me to my last point. What attitude we should take when contacting the MSM? I think that we should unequivocally DEMAND that they "do their job"! They are expected to be the "guardians of truth" in our republic - our founding fathers expected it! After all, it is the only private Enterprise group that is mentioned - and protected - in the constitution ("freedom of the press").

So I suggest that we present an angry, even threatening tone, in our contacts with the MSM. We should make it clear that we will not tolerate this negligence on their part, and they do it at their "risk and peril"! If this continues, they will totally lose their credibility (and public following) as the general public becomes more aware of the truth in spite of their inaction! It is becoming increasingly clear that, one way or another, "truth will prevail" since "we" the Internet community will never let go of this until the truth is revealed!
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:28 AM
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1. kick
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:45 AM
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2. 250 million to 1 too sensational
it's too easy to debunk a figure like that, and i think in his updated exit poll discrepency paper steven freeman is no longer including it (though may be wrong on that). the mystery pollster says:

"Kerry's standing in exit polls exceeded the actual result in 15 of the 16 states for which Slate's Jack Shafer posted results at 7:38 EST on Election Night. Freeman's data show the same pattern in 10 of 11 states. This is akin to flipping a coin and having it come up heads 10 of 11 times, an outcome with a probability of 0.6% or 167 to 1. So when Freeman is right when he says it nearly impossible to explain these discrepancies by sampling error alone. Having said that, his 250 million to 1 statistic is exaggerated."
http://www.mysterypollster.com/

using the analogy of tossing a coin is good, a lot easier for people to understand and sounds more believable - people are often suspicious of statistics, especially when they contain very large numbers.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:05 PM
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3. Thanks Roger, this is very useful info... Anyone else?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 04:14 PM by tommcintyre
what you say makes a lot of sense, and I will modify my proposed MSM email accordingly.

Anybody else?
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:30 PM
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4. btw : welcome Roger! Any other input from anyone else?
I'm putting together a MSM email for mass consumption. Before I finalize it, any other critical input would be more than welcome.
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:33 PM
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5. I've posted this thought elsewhere but
I really think we need to do something besides email - like make phone calls and physically deliver some of this stuff to our local reporters. Like you said, they are very busy - why not make it easy for them to see the information right in their hands? Also, a phone call asking them to commit to look at it might help get them to actually look at it.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:11 PM
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6. Or boycott the MSM
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:18 PM
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8. Yes.. many here already are, but...
most of the general public is still getting their info from MSM. So we need to try to get them to cover this story to reach the masses with the truth. And we need to take MASSIVE ACTION to get them to do it. If they STILL won't cover it, an organized Boycott is certainly in order.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:14 PM
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7. Great idea for local media.. some of it can apply to Nat media too
Like the phone call follow up. What we need more than anything else is MASSIVE action!
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:22 PM
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9. 9) because if you break this story, you'll become what woodward
and bernstein were 25 years ago.

you'll become bigger than a rock star, richer than croesus, and get more p*ssy than frank sinatra.

(we're talking to journalists. let's appeal to their true motivations.)


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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 07:17 PM
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10. "get more p*ssy.." Yeah.. but I can't put that in a mass email can I? ;=}
but maybe the "fame and fortune" can be worked in tho. ;~}
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 08:52 PM
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11. I'm adding the "House Dems Seek Election Inquiry" article. Any more?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 08:55 PM by tommcintyre
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65623,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_3

I just Google News'd "Conyers/GAO" - three paltry pages and NO MSM headline! Disgusting!
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:33 PM
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12. C'mon peeps... any more ideas?
Or don't complain when I make the mass MSM emailing available that "you shoulda"... ;-)
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:55 PM
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13. Maybe Kerry is also asking the media to keep silent -for now???
so that he and his lawyers, and us, and Bev can really snoop around before coming out with this. And then Hit them WHAM!! when they least expect it. I mean really, just like I don't believe Kerry betrayed us like some people are saying -he's wanted this his whole life, I also believe that most reporters do what they do because they like it -can you imagine for them NOT GOING AFTER THE STORY OF A LIFETIME!!??
These people risk their lives in war zones for a good story. They are just waiting for a signal- I think -I hope.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:31 AM
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14. It is more likely that Kerry wants this to break out BIG in the news
I don't think he folded either. I think he couldn't fall in the same trap Gore fell into. They were ready for him to yell and holler, and then make that the issue (sore loserman all over). So they are hoping not only 3rd parties investigate but also that the public rise up in rage about what happened. Who can blame him then?

This may actually be the last piece of the puzzle. Others have (and are) uncovering the dirt, now we must force it into wide coverage in the media - then bye bye bush.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:15 PM
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15. if kerry asked the media to be quiet, that would be the headline.
the corporate-owned mainstream media is definitely in bed with the right. have been since the lapdogs that covered reagan.
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:01 PM
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17. Yeah, I guess you're right,
I guess I was tired when I thought that one through. :)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:34 PM
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16. VOTERGATE.TV
I don't have the quicktime editing software, but if somebody did, they could pull the clip from the votergate video where Bev Harris shows Howard Dean how to hack an election in 90 seconds. A sixth grader could understand it.


Then burn it to disk and snail mail it to them.

Since I lack that technical capacity, I'm just going to mail them the full half hour trailer. I made a nice label with the votergate.tv header.

ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023

CBS News
524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019

CNN
One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366

NBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112

MSNBC (send it to Chris Matthews)
One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus, NJ 07094

The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
PBS
1320 Braddock Place, Alexandria, VA 22314

National Public Radio
635 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20001-375
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:01 PM
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18. Good ideas to include a link to the video
I hadn't thought of it.

I am planning to have a series of links, including BBV.org of course; but I think the vid should definitely be included as a quick overview.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:14 PM
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19. Come on.. time is running out. tick.. tick.. tick..
I'm gonna post this thing tomorrow. The suggestions have been very useful, so don't hold back.. don't be shy. ;~}
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:05 PM
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20. Last chance...
to give input before it starts. This should be up in a couple more hours.

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