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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:29 AM
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Votescam, Scalia was in on it
The Problem Goes Deeper. Below are excerpts from a riveting article which goes to the very core of the problem. The author's father and uncle uncovered serious elections fraud years ago and suffered severely for trying to reveal the truth. In 1992, they published the book Votescam which exposed major elections fraud, only to have it effectively banned. They both died young in the 1990s. Please pass on this powerful information which is so vital to the future of democracy. Invite all of your friends and colleagues to forward this message, and to join together in calling for election reform.




For the full original article, see http://www.truthout.com/docs_03/102503C.shtml




A Brief History of Computerized Election Fraud in America (Excerpts)
By Victoria Collier

http://www.wanttoknow.info/electronicvoting

Squadrons of shiny new touch screen Trojan horses are being rolled into precincts across America. Not, as we are told, to make voting easier or more accurate. The real reason America is being flooded with billions of dollars worth of paperless computerized voting machines is so that no one will be able to prove vote fraud. These machines are not just unverifiable, they are secretly programmed. Their software is not open to scrutiny by election officials or computer experts. They are also equipped with modems accessible by computer, telephone, and satellite.

We the People are responsible for taking back the control of our democratic process. No one else will do it for us. We cannot afford to be naive, or uneducated at this time in history. In order to fully understand the extent of the corruption we are dealing with, and to avoid making dangerous mistakes based on ignorance, we must understand the history, and the power structure, behind vote fraud in America.

I grew up with two men who spent twenty-five years investigating vote fraud in America: James and Kenneth Collier, my father and uncle. Their book, Votescam: The Stealing of America was published in 1992 and immediately banned by the major book chains, which listed the book as "out of print" and actively worked to prevent its sale. Votescam chronicles the Collier brother's groundbreaking investigation into America's multi-billion dollar election rigging industry, and the corporate government and media officials who control it.

The Votescam investigation began in 1970, in -- surprise! -- Dade County, Florida, where Ken ran for Congress (with Jim as his campaign manager). Ken was rigged out of the election through a vote scam, which the Colliers later discovered was used throughout the country for decades. It went like this: The local newscaster would announce during the broadcast of election returns that the election "computer has broken down." Instead of giving official returns from the county courthouse, the networks would be running vote "projections" for the rest of the night.

Jim and Ken, who had garnered 30 percent of the vote, noticed that when the vote totals came back on the screen after the announcement, they had mysteriously lost 15 percentage points. They didn't get another vote for the rest of the night. When they examined the "official" election results from for the September primary, October run-off and November final election in Dade County, the record listed a total of 141,000 votes cast for the governors race in each election. The exact same number of total votes were cast for three elections with a different number of candidates running each time. The same identical figures were listed for the Senate race in the primary, run-off and final election. This, of course, is a statistical impossibility.

When they compared the "official" vote results with a print-out of the vote "projections" broadcast by the TV networks on the final election night, they found that channel 4 had "projected" with near perfect accuracy the results of 40 races with 250 candidates only 4 minutes after the polls closed. Channel 7 came even closer; at 9:31 pm, they "projected" the final vote total for a race at 96,499 votes. When the Colliers checked the "official" number . . . it was also 96,499.

The networks then made the astonishing claim that the results from a single voting machine somewhere in Dade County were run through a computer program in order to get these vote projections. Elton Davis was the computer programmer responsible for the magic formula that could convert one machine's vote results into near perfect projected vote totals for 40 races and 250 candidates. When Jim and Ken confronted Davis in his office at the University of Miami, he responded: "You'll never prove it, now get out."

Finally the networks claimed that members of the League of Women Voters were out in the field on election night, calling in vote totals to channels 4 and 7. When the Colliers confronted the head of the League, Joyce Deiffenderfer, she admitted that there were no LWV members out in the field that night. She broke down crying, saying "I don't want to get caught up in this thing.

When the TV networks claimed that the courthouse computer had broken down, and they would no longer be reporting actual vote totals, they were lying. They had never been reporting actual vote totals. The final shoe dropped months later when an official press release appeared from Dade data processing chief, Leonard White, which stated emphatically: The county computer at the courthouse was never down, and it was never slow.

This was the beginning. The Collier brothers had slammed their boat into the tip of a giant iceberg. As they continued to investigate, they were horrified to discover vote fraud collusion among key individuals in every branch and on every level of the American political system. Those who were not benefiting from the fraud were too afraid to fight it. Their search for justice led to dead-ends. Their lives were threatened. They were vilified as conspiracy theorists by the mainstream press . . . and yet they persevered.

The next quarter century was spent compiling a wealth of FBI documented evidence proving that elections in the United States have come under the tight control of a handful of powerful and corrupt people. Jim and Ken both died young during the 90's, as heroes to many thousands who heard them speak on the radio and at political meetings across the country. They helped to guide individuals and groups working for clean elections in their communities. The Collier's last hope was that Votescam would be used as evidence in a serious Congressional investigation into election fraud.

Many people still in power have yet to be held accountable for their role in aiding and abetting vote fraud. I'll give you two important examples. Famous Miami lawyer Ellis Rubin brought the original Votescam evidence to the Florida assistant State Attorney at the time, Janet Reno. The evidence included the shaved wheels of lever voting machines, forged canvass sheets, and pre-printed vote tally sheets. Reno refused to prosecute, claiming falsely that the statue of limitations had run out on the crime. Years later, Rubin would tell my father that behind closed doors Reno had stated that she could not prosecute. Why? Because she would bring down many of the most powerful people in the state.

Another notable Votescam criminal can now be found sitting on the bench of the highest court in the nation. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, while still a Federal Appeals Judge, single handedly destroyed what would have been an historic lawsuit filed against Justice Department lawyer Craig Donsanto, who had refused to prosecute the extensive vote fraud evidence brought to him by the Colliers. The evidence included videotape of the League of Women voters tampering with ballots in a close door vote "counting" session. The women were illegally punching holes in already cast ballots.


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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:39 AM
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1. Keep kicking = today is yesterday

and yesterday is today!
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:42 AM
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2. Wow
:kick:
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:43 AM
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3. Now the Leage of Women Voters might have just been knocking out dimpled ch
ads

but shaved wheels, forged canvass sheets (poll books) and sheets showing the final vote tally before the election was even held??

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:44 AM
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4. Excellent - I found the same truth in GOP actions in downstate ILL in 1960
The fact that the only media was a Waukegan News Sun article in spring 61 about the ballot boxes coming ashore during the flooding of the DesPlaines river - and the fact that that reporter was pulled off the story (I had worked part-time at the paper and its distributor operation and new the insiders) - and the fact that my Mom was one of the Lake County GOP election judges and confirmed the stories- all led me to believe that the media - in the interest of national unity - killed vote fraud stories unless they were pushed by the GOP or the occasional DA.

Nothing has changed - the fact Democrats even win at all in any race at anytime is amazing.

And now Belarus can kill a US Human rights resolution condemning the theft of elections in Belarus, simply by pointing out that the US does not have fair elections, is sad.

The fact that our media does not care is also sad.

:-(
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:50 AM
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8. I found some MIGHTY strange looking numbers in th CA
Congressional Races in 1994.

No one wanted to hear it then either.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:44 AM
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5. http://www.votescam.com/chapters.php
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:47 AM
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6.  http://www.votescam.com/chapters.php
Will this link live??
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:47 AM
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7. Okay trying again
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:51 AM
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9. this is making me physically ill n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:16 PM
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10. To hear that a non-Rethug attorney general (Reno) is hesitant to bring
down "some of the most powerful people in the state" is very discouraging. I'm unfazed in hearing about Scalia; he's already proven how corrupt he is.

I can't help believing that John Kerry was threatened in some way on election night between the time that we were told by Edwards that they would ensure that every vote was counted & the next day that Kerry conceded.

Since that time, Kerry & ALL Democratic leaders -- with NO exception, including Edwards -- are laying low about voter fraud, choosing to question our party's principles & deciding it needs to be revamped, as though the election were legitimate.

This information that you posted leads me to believe that my original instinct is correct: Kerry got a phone call election night & was threatened if he contested the election. I've read last night that Kerry was giving the money I thought to be reserved for his lawyers' investigations to the DNC for other candidates to use.

I don't know what to think now, but remaining positive seems to get me through these days of disappointment. I'm still holding on to the belief that Kerry is involved in some way in finding out the truth. And judging from his Boston tv interview that I've seen posted at DU, during which he said the votes are still being counted, I'm hopeful that Kerry is doing something about it that we can't know about yet. I refuse to believe that the fact that ALL our Democratic leaders are so silent about the voting irregularities is due to the fact that they are giving up. Something is definitely in the works.

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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:19 PM
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11. Pray!
Keep digging
Keep praying
Keep your fingers crossed.

I find it interesting that out of all the people on the message boards that there is not 1 person who has a contact in the media.


Not 1 person????

:D
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:07 PM
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13. Talking about conspiracies, Maybe it is time to put on the tin foil!
If you start to look real deep this country might have been taken over by the fraud back in 1963!!! My My the internet is great you can find lots of things here But with selected not truely elected reps in washington we will never hear the truth.
http://www.rense.com/general20/truth.htm
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/cia-bush.html

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/dead_kennedys/jfktrial.html
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/dead_kennedys/161963.html
The Kennedy-Nixon-Bush Connection
by Paul Kangas
As long as assassins get away with murder, every suicide and every accidental death is a potential murder.

A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places Bush working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion. The Cubans were trained as marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion. That is how he met Felix Rodriguez.

You may remember Rodriguez as the Iran-contra CIA agent who received the first phone call telling the world the CIA plane flown by Gene Hasenfus had crashed in Nicaragua. As soon as Rodriguez heard that the plane crashed, he called his long-time CIA supervisor, George Bush. Bush denied being in the contra loop, but investigators recently obtained copies of Oliver North's diary, which documents Bush's role as a CIA supervisor of the contra supply network.

In 1988 Bush told Congress he knew nothing about the illegal supply flights until 1987, yet North's diary shows Bush at the first planning meeting Aug. 6, 1985. Bush's "official" log placed him somewhere else. Such double sets of logs are intended to hide Bush's real role in the CIA; to provide him with "plausible deniability." The problem is, it fell apart because too many people, like North and Rodriguez, have kept records that show Bush's CIA role back to the 1961 invasion of Cuba. (Source: The Washington Post, 7/10/90).

That is exactly how evidence was uncovered placing George Bush working with Felix Rodriguez when JFK was killed. A memo from FBI head J. Edgar Hoover was found, stating that, "Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. (Source: The Nation, 8/13/88).






lie = repug
LB=Killer

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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 03:33 PM
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23. I FIND IT INTERESTING ,,,,,that no one knows of a RICH Democrat
who might be able to pay the rest of the $30,000 needed for the Ohio recount. I read it was at $30,000 last night.

I'm broke. I can't give any more $$$$
I wish I was rich, I'd give whatever needed to get that recount going and pay for Lawyers!!
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:51 PM
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20. Isn't Jeff Fisher claiming that Janet Reno lost the democratic govenor
primary race in 2002 because of vote fraud? I wonder if this made her regret not fighting vote fraud when she had the chance as Florida attorney general?

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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:43 PM
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25. kick
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:35 PM
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12. Why did Clinton and Carter win then?
Does this involve both democrats and republicans fixing the elections? And does this mean that we have never had fair elections? Maybe Truman didn't beat Dewey after all.
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GraphicQueen Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:08 PM
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14. They have to let Democrats...
wins sometimes you know. If they didn't people all over would get suspicious. I honestly don't think one will now though for awhile, unless they might be wanting to take the heat off of themselves.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 03:10 PM
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22. But if they let him win.............
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 03:51 PM by springhill
Why did they immediately try and do everything in their power to run him out of office? I don't get it, am I missing something? It seems to me, that if Clinton was in on the drug running there could be no blackmail, it would be a wash.

Oops, this was supposed to be a reply to the post below.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:47 PM
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19. My Theory on Clinton
and I may need a tinfoil hat?

Is that he worked with the CIA on Iran Contra as the government(CIA) was allegedly flying in cocaine to Mena, Arkansas airport to sell on the street to raise money for the Contras to buy arms. Clinton was aware of this and allowed it to happen in exchange for their support.

Carter I think was a fluke.

But I've certainly thought along these lines too.

Does that mean I need tinfoil on my head?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 03:38 PM
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24. Early methods were limited in their ability to effect elections...
In other words, they could throw an election that was, say, 10% - 15% within reach. I think they're getting better over time - and they may also be aided by increasing control of the media and polling organizations.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:03 PM
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15. Astounding.
I mean, we knew this happened, but I had no idea that there had been so much investigating, and all of it quashed.

Wish more people knew.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:14 PM
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16. Here is interview from 2000 by V. Collier with head of VNS
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 08:13 PM
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27. Kick this!
Um, this is, um, required, um reading, um, for all um...you...you voters out there.

VNS caught with its pants down:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/votescam/collierinte...
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:23 PM
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17. I realize Sup Ct justices are in for life, but can they be indicted?
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:24 PM
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18. I realize Sup Ct justices are in for life, but can they be indicted?
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:55 PM
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21. I believe they can be impeached
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 02:57 PM by rockedthevoteinMA
"The only way a Justice may leave the job is to resign, retire, die, or be impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. No Justice has ever been removed by impeachment."

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/6-8/government/national/justices.html

Kinda looks like a hopeless wish though.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:55 PM
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26. kick
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