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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:56 PM
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What happened With the Berkley thing?
Wasn't the press conferene supposed to be today?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:57 PM
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1. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:59 PM
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2. Ditto
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:59 PM
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3. ...so nothing happened?
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:00 PM
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4. come on...I was in school
If I missed something, would someone let me know?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:02 PM
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5. LOL, I'm so sorry, gotta wipe my eyes a sec. LOL
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:03 PM
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6. They came, they spoke, they were ignored.
Except by du'ers and Keith Olbermann.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:06 PM
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7. So it did happen.
I thought you were going to tell me it was a hoax or something. Is there a transcript anywhere?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:08 PM
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9. Ok ok I'll be good
Here is one of several DU links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x61103

You can always go through the pages and find more. Could also go to Olbermanns Blog, Could also search Google.

Here's another for ya

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i22berkeley.htm
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:39 PM
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17. DUers can also check these DU threads, where I try very hard to
keep all the news, updates, developments, activism, etc. compiled:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:41 PM
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18. Eloriel
Just want to remind you how much we all love you here. How grateful we all are for you. We appreciate your hard work, determination, accuracy, and attention to details. Your compendiums have been invaluable to me, I can't stress that enough.

God Bless You Eloriel...
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indy_azcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:43 PM
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19. Thanks
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:45 PM by indy_azcat
Eloriel... the voice of reason (and wisdom)... loves ya!

:hi:

Did Goldeneye check in on the Welcome New DUers link?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=58460
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:07 PM
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8. Their report is making the e-mail rounds.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:09 PM
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10. Thanks
...i did look through a couple of pages....but I got lazy.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:23 PM
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16. By the way
Just bustin ya. Welcome to DU

:hi:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:10 PM
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11. I'm not sure what IAMREALITY and jsamuel find so hilarious
but it was released yesterday. There are a number of threads about it, here's one of them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1001078
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indy_azcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:14 PM
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12. Errr... hmmm
pick a MSM (main stream media) website...
say:
http://www.cbsnews.com
http://www.abcnews.com
http://www.cnn.com
http://www.foxnews.com (wash mouth out with soap)
http://www.nbcnews.com

type in Berkeley in the Search website box.

Join our friends in LOL-land.

*sigh*
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:17 PM
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13. I tried at CNN
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:18 PM by Goldeneye
What can I say? They suck.
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indy_azcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:21 PM
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14. they=MSM
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:24 PM by indy_azcat
zero coverage.

Welcome to the dark zone.... remember a year ago...?

I live in michigan (ignore the handle)...

... the blackout thingy

... it's in the media...

... ignore the fraud... cover up the fraud... hope it goes away... love the mandate... edited: becuase it was waaay too redneck for my own liking.

The point is... the above sites run really annoying crappy useless articles about the POTUS frenching a turkey (even though we hate the Fench... right? Come on reds!)... and Turkeys killing little old ladies... and turkeys watching libraries opening.... but this... this fraud in America is unimportant. Fraud in the soviet union... that's newsworthy.

:(
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:12 PM
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22. Okay, here's what happened.
Note: Erin Reasoner at Eastwick Communications, who put together the conference call, told me the response of media -- meaning people attending or requesting information -- was "phenomenal." She mentioned AP, Reuters, wire services, as well as concerned citizens. So, we're still waiting for major coverage, eh? <drumming fingers>

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Kim Zetter came in with a nice report, as she does.

Researchers: Florida Vote Fishy
by Kim Zetter
Wired.com
12:18 PM Nov. 18, 2004 PT
<http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html>

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Here's a press release:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1118-14.htm

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My paraphrase of UC Berkeley findings on presidential vote:

The more "blue" a Florida county was in 2000 presidential tallies, the more unexpected "red" votes were observed in 2004, in those Florida counties utilizing electronic voting.

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/
University of California - Berkeley
UC Data - Data Archive & Technical Assistance
first entry under VOTING

Working Paper:

The Effect of Electronic Voting Machines on
Change in Support for Bush
in the 2004 Florida Elections


by Michael Hout, Laura Mangels, Jennifer Carlson, and Rachel Best
With the assistance of the UC Berkeley Quantitative Methods Research Team

Last revision: 11/18/2004

Summary:

- Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President George W. Bush in Florida.

- Compared to counties with paper ballots, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increases in support for President Bush between 2000 and 2004. This effect cannot be explained by differences between counties in income, number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of Hispanic/Latino population.

- In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.

- We can be 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance.

Details:

Because many factors impact voting results, statistical tools are necessary to see the effect of touch-screen voting. Multiple-regression analysis is a statistical technique widely used in the social and physical sciences to distinguish the individual effects of many variables.

This multiple-regression analysis takes account of the following variables by county:
- number of voters
- median income
- Hispanic population
- change in voter turnout between 2000 and 2004
- support for President Bush in 2000 election
- support for Dole in 1996 election

When one controls for these factors, the association between electronic voting and increased support for President Bush is impossible to overlook. The data show with 99.0% certainty that a county’s use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush.

The data used in this study come from CNN.com, the 2000 US Census, the Florida Department of State, and the Verified Voting Foundation - all publicly available sources. This study was carried out by a group of doctoral students in the UC Berkeley sociology department in collaboration with Professor Michael Hout, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the UC Berkeley Survey Research Center.
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From the paper, pg. 4: "Essentially, net of other effects, electronic voting had the greatest positive effect in percent voting for Bush from 2000 to 2004 in democratic counties."

From the press conference on Nov. 18, 2004, paraphrasing:

Simply put, the more "blue" a Florida county was in 2000 presidential tallies, the more unexpected "red" votes were observed in 2004 in those Florida counties utilizing electronic voting.

The most numerically important of the Florida counties with discrepancies under this model, Hout said, would be: Broward, Palm Beach, and Miami-Dade.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:56 PM
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23. I misunderstood. I thought that they were laughing at the study
and dismissing it as wrong. Apparently, they were laughing at the idea that it would get any notice or change anything. They should have been clearer.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:22 PM
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15. Little Levity Won't Kill Ya n/t
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liquiduniverse Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:57 PM
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20. At least some 2nd-tier news outlets covered the story
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indy_azcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:06 PM
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21. true...
but how many of these outlets hit the mandate majority households?

Now if it was on Fox as "When regression statistics attacks"... then maybe.
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