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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:07 PM
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Sign of the Beast found in FL results
On Nov. 3rd, FL DOS reported that 7,531,402 were cast for Bush and Kerry.

On Nov. 14th, FL DOS reported that 7,548,066 were cast for Bush and Kerry.

So between the election on Nov 2 and the final certified count on Nov 14th, Bush got 8176 more votes and Kerry got 8488 giving us a total of 16664 additional votes.

I really don't think it means anything, but maybe we can convince some of the fundies that this is a sign that Bush is really the anti-christ? It's worth a try?




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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:11 PM
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1. Hell yes. They want to believe
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Election Mess Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:29 PM
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22. FLA irregularities
http://www.passinglane.com/elections/

Originally published 11/10/04 :: Last updated 11/12/04

Recently I've started paying more attention to the mounting discourse on the internet and in some media outlets about recent election irregularities.

While mainstream media has been showing lots of coverage of democrats beating themselves up over what they could have done differently and their underestimation of the sheer number of passionate and mobile conservatives, very few have been covering the increasing accounts of election tally irregularities. It seems that each day the election passes there are more legitimate questions being asked, and circumstantial evidence revealed, that raises serious question of whether this election was called accurately at all.

In Florida there are 29 counties out of 67 (over 43% of the counties in the state) that have a direct inverse relationship between the percentage of people registered to a party and the percentage of votes received by that party. Examples: Hardy County registrations are 5:2 democratic, results are nearly 2:5 republican; Washington County registrations are 3:1 democratic, results are nearly 3:1 republican; Suwannee County registrations are a bit over 2:1 democratic, results are a bit over 2:1 republican; Bradford County registrations are a bit over 2:1 democratic, results are a bit over 2:1 republican; Holmes County registrations are 4:1 democratic, results are 3:1 republican.

The larger the disparity in registrant affiliation, the larger the reverse disparity of the results. I can't see how anyone can claim that this is due to disproportionately huge voting shifts in the most democratic counties. That would mean, in a county like Lafayette (with only 570 registered republicans) every registered republican voted; every undeclared voter voted republican (169); and of the 3,570 registered democrats, 1,004 did not vote; and of those who did, registered democrats voted republican by more than 2 to 1 (1,721 to 845).

Increasingly, my theory is that counts were reversed in the less populated, heavily democratic Florida counties. These counties all used Optical Scanning machines to read paper ballots. If the wrong candidate was associated with the wrong hole in the punch card (Kerry and Bush were reversed) we would see results exactly consistent with what we received.

Furthermore, If we look at just the Touch-Screen machines in Florida, 8 out of 15 counties using these machines showed more voters moving toward Kerry and away from Bush as compared to the ratios of registered democrats and republicans. As a mater of fact, in each of these 8 counties Kerry/Edwards votes exceeded the number of registered democratic voters, while the number of republican votes were less than the total number of registered republicans in those counties.

I based my comparisons on a table originally constructed and published by Kathy Dopp at: http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm (listed on the legend page as a data source). I used the State of Florida's election website at: http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ to spot check the accuracy of Kathy Dopp's table. In my analysis I modeled reversing the vote tallies in the 29 counties that had the largest inverse relationship between election results and the party affiliation of voters.

On the following pages (links above) Florida election results are compared, county by county, with voter party affiliation. It appears there is very clear evidence of serious fraud, or at the very least, coincidental errors beyond anyone's imagination. I have attempted to lay this information out as clearly as possible. Please take a look and decide for yourself.

Additional Links of Interest:

Subsequent to my publishing these pages I discovered another great analysis by Kathy Dopp titled, "Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results". This page further breaks down the vendor of voting machines in each county (I did not see any correlation between manufacturers of optical scanning machines and voting disparity). This page also provides great off-site links, including a document by Steven F. Freeman, PhD at the University of Pennsylvania, entitled "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy" that examines the issues surrounding the surprising discrepancies between election results and exit polls.


To respond to the contents of this site, or share your own evidence of election irregularity or fraud, please email: electionmess@yahoo.com


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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:43 PM
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23. here's something:
I AM GOING TO POST THIS; BUT I AM STILL THINKING ABOUT IT: 11;44 PM ESDT: 11.19.04: fRIDAY; hammondmv@netzero.com

I had an e mail conversation with an OH precinct person:

This is what I was looking for:


We would like to see the OH voting return data as described here
>http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos/news/index2.htm expanded to give us
>information pertaining to voter registration / party. It is on the NC BOE
>web site, for instance. So that the data associated with the election can
>be fully analyzed, we would like to see it posted please.
>
>If that information is somewhere----perhaps for some of the
>counties?----perhaps someone could inform me.

HERE IS THE ANSWER I GOT:


http://www.co.franklin.oh.us/boe/content/registration/CUTOFF_NOV_2004.pdf


This might be of SOME help. But you see party information is quite different
from state to state. For example, in Ohio you don't declare a party when
you register. You only get to be a member of a party by VOTING in a political
primary. If there aren't any or they are rather dull, then people don't turn
out. We only keep party affil. for 2 years then it gets reset to Unaffiliated.
As a result, right now, our affiliations are VERY low and hence not useful
for statistical purposes. You have to really know what you are doing to get
a good handle on this. Otherwise, I'm afraid, you may be wasting your time.
But best of luck anyway.


Chris




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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:11 PM
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2. Ya gotta remember, they want the world to end, so don't encourage them
;~}
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:12 PM
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3. I sometimes think of W as the "Ain't-I-Christ", but I know that's not nice
;)
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:12 PM
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4. I agree, and finally my local paper is publishing the 78,000 votes found
in broward county that were not counted on election day correctly. Get this it is a republican who is sueing over these 78,000 absentee ballots because he chairs a group called no casinos.
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:16 PM
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5. Self Deleted
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:23 PM by Liberalynn
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:16 PM
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6. Is Anybody Else's Brain Starting to Hurt?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:17 PM by IAMREALITY
I mean literally, My brain is burnt. I feel like I want to lash out at almost every new post. I feel like I can't take anymore of these threads, yet I know each person is really trying as hard as they can to do what they can for this effort. Half my brain says love these people, they are your new siblings... The other half says God I Can't take much more of this... Such mixed emotions...I feel like putting my head through a wall.......

(HEHEHE)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:28 PM
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10. Hang on, IAMREALITY! Breathe deep, focus. We need you here.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:31 PM
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12. Nahhhhh, I'm Ok
Just needed to vent while not being overly mean :)

I think I'm just empty today and need my tank filled. There wasn't really any 'breaking' news today, just running commentary, and much of it was meaningless (though of course there were definitely some good posts I came across today)

I think I just needed a refill of postive news to refire my glial cells.

Then I came across a headshot of the Shrub....Alllllll the motivation I needed was right there LOL
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:02 AM
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27. Happened to me yesterday
I started getting overloaded then paranoid over the cybernet findings. Rx: 2-3 glasses of wine. Works great ;)
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:47 AM
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31. You should have been around when Bev first found the Diebold code.....
.......and asked if anyone here was willing to download it and check it out. Some of us did. Several people freaked out about DU possibly getting shut down, several more downloaded the code and started comparing notes. When we figured out how easy it was to compromise, others showed up to tell us how wrong we were, on every thread! Still others felt the need to continually point out that no one would understand, or even care, that the machines could be hacked because no one would ever try to 'hack' an election. Many accused Bev of 'hyping' the importance of our finds in order to sell the book she was writing. (Some still do even though she ultimately gave the book away!) Point being, in the end, we were right, as many subsequent studies by the "experts" have confirmed.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't sweat it. Don't let others make your mind up for you. Examine all evidence and decide for yourself whether it has merit or not. There will always be those who are just not capable of understanding the complexities and others who are simply here to disrupt and try to keep you focused on answering their insipid questions. There will always be some who just can't wrap their minds around the issues and seek simple answers to complex questions. But there are many here who see the truth for what it is and don't let themselves be distracted.

I hope you're one of them. :)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:21 PM
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7. So all the absentee, military and provisional ballots counted after 11/3
only added up to 16,664? That cannot be right.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:27 PM
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9. Ah, yes you noticed
that was what I was looking at originally. Only 16664 more votes were added to the final results? That just doesn't make sense.

How many provisional ballots did FL have?

How many overseas?

Plus 8 counties did not change their results at all and at least 8 more only added one or two more votes.

There is no way that many counties had no changes.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:26 PM
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8. If you've got time for something like that,
perhaps you've also got time for something that would REALLY help the efforts here:

SIGN UP HERE: Join VOTE FRAUD WORK (write, organize, research, kick) Team
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=3830&mesg_id=3830

DU VOTE FRAUD WORK TEAM - TASK THREAD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=2692&mesg_id=2692

HELP OFFERED - DU VOTE FRAUD WORK TEAM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=3004&mesg_id=3004
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:31 PM
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11. All kidding aside
what I was really looking at was the surprisely low number of additional votes that were added to the final results. I think this is significant.

8 counties made no changes to their original tallies.

10 more counties only added one or two more votes.

Plus in Palm Beach County, someone else just pointed out that a number of precincts did not register any votes at all.

Something is definitely fishy in FL.

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:34 PM
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13. Bush isn't the Anti-Christ! The Rapture is suppose to take place before
the arrival of the Anti-Christ. Until you see millions of people disappearing before your eyes and planes dropping out of the sky, relax. Plus, the Anti-Christ is suppose to have supernatural powers, which is why he will be able to fool MILLIONS into thinking he is Christ. I don't see Dumbya being able to chew gum and walk at the same time! Plus, he isn't even fooling half of this country, much less millions around the globe.


DISCLAIMER: That's if you belive in all of this, which I do. This idiot wouldn't know Christ from a rock on the ground, much less pass for Jesus!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:36 PM
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15. Your first mistake is to assume Bush is stupid
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:37 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Bush is a very screwd and vindictive little man. The stupid bit is just an act. Kind of like a bad version of Tommy Smothers.

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:40 PM
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17. No, my opinion is he's stupid! That's my perception of him! We can
agree to disagree, can't we?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:42 PM
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18. Of course
But realize that he wants you to think he's stupid. That's how he can get away with so much shit.

His father was the inventor of plausible deniablity. Jr is the grand master.

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:43 PM
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19. DoYouEverWonder, LOL! Okay...okay...but I still don't think the Chimp is
the Anti-Christ!!!!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:33 PM
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32. Can we agree he is LAZY? He just is not willing to do the hard work.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:12 PM
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21. Well.. OK, then isn't he at least a "false puppet" oops (prophet)?
There's supposed to be a lot of those before the end times.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:12 AM
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25. Bingo!!! Yes, he is!
JESUS: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15-20)

ALSO:
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before."
Matthew 24:24, 25

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:34 PM
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14. That's one Hell of a sig line
I copied it, ok.

I'd like to see that on the backs of t-shirts.

Imagine a fundie walking behind you in the mall.

You could probably watch some heads explode.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. I'm going to make a bigger version of it
if anyone wants a copy.

Feel free to take this one and do with it has you wish.

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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:58 PM
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20. They think so in Chile...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1374878

And I was convinced of this by Jehovah's Witnesses (not that they agreed):
In the article in the Watchtower, it said that the AntiChrist is someone who mixes politics with religion, who wages war on countries unprovoked, and who has a lot of people fooled into thinking he is good.

It also said that a leader of another nation will find that God put it in his heart to strike the AntiChrist down.

It says that Christians will be very surprised. That they will not expect it, and they will not know when it will happen. It also said that the sign that things are getting dangerous is when troops are surrounding the city. I wondered if that was Faluja.

Normally I shoo them away when they come, or pretend I'm not home. But this day, the woman had her Bible opened to a passage that said, "And the meek shall triumph." I thought, oh, good that means Bush will lose!

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:07 AM
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24. If you want some "research" into this topic

(that Bush is the anti-Christ), then these people at this whacky site are with you.

<http://www.bushisantichrist.com/>

The site has prophecy, scriptural references, Satanism, numerology, Bush's Skull and Bones connection and of course, Nostradamus.

Just skim through the first topic of numerology (that's too long and boring.) You've got to get down to the whackier segments and the see all the Bush pictures.



Someone really spent some time on this whacky topic.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:45 AM
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26. Is Bush the antichrist? Just for fun...
Check it out:
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

If anybody is the antichrist, it seems reasonable to me that it would be W.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. I used to think Dick Cheney was Satan, but
then I realized it's not realistic to imagine that he was *ever* an angel.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:16 AM
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28. You don't need to convince me
That's why I didn't support him. :evilgrin:
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Northwestmom4Kerry Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:49 AM
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29. Why do you think he will only let a select few get close to him.....
He's afraid someone might throw holy water on him. Damn, we should have alerted the Pope!
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