Why are ALL of our Dem leaders silent (Kennedy, Waxman, etc.)?

[joeunderdog]

Kerry's absence is perplexing, but how about Edwards (I know his wife is sick) who ran on a platform of taking on the System? It's like there's a gag order out there, and some of this country's true champions for Democracy are hiding under rocks. It's almost spooky that with all of the information out there--and they have more than we do--about election anomolies, glitches and wide-ranging FRAUD, that not one politician with any stature is even posing questions.

The silence is deafening. They don't have to point fingers, but they could at least ask questions--if not for themselves and the Daschle's of the world, then for their constituents. Democrats currently in office are essentially on death row and they're not even asking for an appeal that they have legal grounds for.

Are they THAT afraid of retaliation?
Are they doubting that the election trickery was anything bigger than elections past?
Or are they conspiring to play possum until they have an organized, researched case for fraud?

[righteous1]

1. Proof?

Untill there is concrete, irrefutable proof that something crooked happened, no ones going out on a limb. That's my take

[gorbal]

2. They probably don't want to be seen as sour losers.

I mean, imagine if they raise a stink about "fraud fraud" and it turns out there is not verifiable evidence at all. I know Bev Harris has something cooking in Florida, and there are reports of machine malfunctions and inaccuracies all over Ohio, but the good hard evidence isn't in hand yet.

If they see any way that raising a stink that would help them, I trust they would do it.

[wurzel]

3. If people begin to believe they cannot change things through the Ballot

They will either switch off or take to the streets. Either way the Republicans win.

[BamaBecky]

4. One reason they are quiet is all the evidence of 9/11 that

has been released: For example:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112004Schwarz/112004schwarz.html

It's just a hunch on my part.......:nuke:

[BlueDog2u]

18. BamaBecky

For those who have not been following this closely, can you point us to more relevant links, and/or give us a synopsis of what this means? What are these whistleblowers alledging?

[BamaBecky]

21. Go to the editorial forum and look for Americans involved in 9/11

I posted it there today

[BlueDog2u]

23. Thanks

[nolabels]

29. I was kinda of wondering why Mr. Johnny AG was leaving

Now it does make sense, he didn't put a big enough thumb on S.E.(and a few other things to be sure). S.E. hit a tender spot me thinks. Low posts makes me think you haven't seen everything here, the WWW is quite full of links also. But just for your info we have not been asleep here either.

Sibel Edmonds Responds to Suit Dismissal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=671218

State Dept. Quashed 9/11 Links To Global Drug Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=610235

Anybody got any links on Sibel Edmonds ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2031226

Classified Letters Regarding FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds: Memory Hole
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2018077

[whistle]

5. There isn't even any opposition to Bush from the media on the...

...possibility of voting fraud. So what gives? Is everyone being gagged?

[The Flaming Red Head]

6. Clit-less, Ball-less, dick-less and clue-less

no excuse for it really is there?

[BamaBecky]

9. UoooH! Yall there is more going on than the vote fraud, a

whole lot of 9/11 evidence has been unleashed....... and it has Washington in a buzz....this stuff is real....and the vote stuff is too......I really don't know which one has them more UPSET!!!!!:bounce:

[The Flaming Red Head]

13. I worked in polling and did focus groups & just read Freeman's paper

did you?



I worked for many different organizations, groups, and companies over a 20 year period. I am very aware of polling data, possible discrepancies, sample sizes, and demographics, go read Freeman.


http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/Documents/ExitPoll.pdf

[BamaBecky]

16. No, I'm fairly new to this whole process, however I'm aware

that Washington D.C. is or has to be "SHAKEN" with the information that has been given to Eliot Spitzer the Attorney General of NY. All I'm trying to say here is that the 9/11 IMPLICATIONS pointing to the BUSH ADMINISTRATION is earth shattering and may have Washington in shock. I posted it under the "editorial" forum

Americans involved in 9/11

I'm just saying that my hunch is the 9/11 stuff could be a DISTRACTION? ? ? ?

[Tuddie]

27. Thanks for the metaphores! n/t

[intelle]

7. I would like to think that

the dem leaders are being cautious until there is irrefutable proof. I am just hoping that this is not wishful thinking.

I just read the newest version of Freeman's paper (http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/ then click on link to paper)

and he mentions in his summary that three election officials in the Appalachian region of OH reported a discrepancy between actual votes, and the total (total being higher than actual votes) in favor of Bush. They went to the FBI, and the FBI directed them to their SOS (Katherine Blackwell). This told me that we are in for a very, very arduous fight.

The example above also tells me that the dems know they have to have all their ducks in a row before speaking out and challenging.

Gosh, I loved the X-Files and Fox M....sure wish the FBI was really like that.

:scared:

[bluetrain]

8. If the FBI is investigating Fisher's story, then why would they turn away

more potential evidence?

[BlueDog2u]

19. We don't know

if the CyberNET bust is directly related to Fisher's complaint. My guess is that there is a connection, but the public information released so far about the bust does not mention vote fraud, and clearly they are after CyberNET for a variety of reasons which have no direct relation to votergate. That doesn't mean a connection doesnt' exist, merely the dots have not all been connected.

[troubleinwinter]

12. "dem leaders are being cautious until there is irrefutable proof"

Well, I call BULLSHIT on these so-called "leaders". They are NOT leaders, they are politicians. They are wimpy scaredy-cats, not wanting to stick their necks out. They let US stick OUR necks out, and be called "conspiracy theorists", without their leadership OR support.

I am afixin' to vote for NO INCUMBENTS.

[Oak2004]

20. We are our own leaders

and we are no longer an organization, we are a spontaneous movement -- the American democracy movement.

[LauraT28]

10. Because they are controlled by the same master as the Repigs.

There is only an issusion of choice in this country. You people need to seriously wake up.

www.infowars.com

[intelle]

11. Exactly.....n/t

[ever_green]

22. thank you. I agree. Remove the blindfolds everyone.

infowars.com, good site.

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

28. Yup - just look at this damn iraq war

We were lied into it but both parties and the media support it!!!!

[ailsagirl]

14. How do you know

the Dems are silent? How do you know the mainstream media aren't under-reporting what is going on with them?? It would be perfectly in keeping with their credo of cozying up to the repugs and suppressing their opposition.

[ccarter84]

15. ok, while they're silent, lets theorize

Lets assume the repubs don't expect 4 years, just for the moment atleast. The $64,000 question is what will they try to do in their remaining time at the helm that might otherwise slip under the radar?
they're already trying to pass some anti-abortion legislation tacking it onto the spending bill this weekend...whats next?

[bunny planet]

33. they just tried to pass a law, hidden in a much larger 1000 page bill,

that would allow two Republican leaders of the House Ways and Means committee to 'review' the taxes of any American. It was found by Democrats and they razed an uproar and had the wording removed. Frist is saying he doesn't know how that ruling got in there!!!!!!!! What else have they tried to slip through while we are not paying attention (or rather our representatives are not paying attention).

[sunnystarr]

34. The bill was over 3000 pages and

it took staffers from 6am to 2pm to download, page by page, which was the only way of retrieving it for each senator. They were expected to vote on it 2 hours later.

7 of the 9 appropriation bills had not been on the Senate floor for review and amendments. The Republican controlled Senate just hasn't done it's job ... again! They take off Mondays and Fridays and can't seem to pass the 13 appropriation bills which are part of their oversight responsibilities. Then time runs out and they dump it all in to a huge omnibus bill that has to be passed at the last minute leaving no senator time for any review. This of course paves the way for this type of thing.

The law you spoke of was inserted in the omnibus legislation at midnight by Ernest Istook, Republican Rep from Oklahoma staff members, who when questioned said the IRS told them to do it. Take a look at Istook, he's downright scary in his voting record http://www.issues2000.org/House/Ernest_Istook.htm

Of course they're still checking out to see if their story is true and if so to find who in IRS gave them that legislation to insert.

It gave the Committee on Appropriations chairmen and any agent they selected the power to override all exist privacy laws, get a copy of anyone's tax return or any company/corporate tax return and do anything they wanted with it ... like publish it and give to all media. Which of course can be used a punitive tool against anyone who disagrees with the party in power.

This is really scary stuff and I applaud all Senators who voted NO until they can examine the rest of the omnibus bill for anything else inserted.

[bunny planet]

37. Randi's talking about this right now. We've got to write to our Senators

and Congress people and make sure this is taken OUT!!! Good catch by the person who found the wording buried in that huge omnibus. Time for one issue bills!!!!!!!!!!! Time for rules and guidelines about sending such huge bills for passage without enough time for people to pour over the suckers with a fine tooth comb!!!!! This is so frightening.

[Jack Bone]

17. Some are speaking out......

Don't forget the letter written to the GAO by some house dems..
I believe they're fighting the "smart" fight...

House Members that signed the letter(as of 11/08/04)are:
John Conyers, Jr.
Jerrold Nadler
Robert Wexler
Robert Scott
Melvin Watt
Rush Holt

if any of these gentlemen represent you in your district..they need your continued support!!

[shraby]

24. I wonder what the status is of that letter

to the GAO. I haven't seen a follow-up on it.

[trayfoot]

25. Bev Harris

Do we have any more info from Bev Harris on Florida? Last I heard there was a "lockdown", but really don't know that all means. We are running out of time here. Something has to give soon, or the info will only be good for pushing reform.

[rhite5]

26. Kick

[Carolab]

30. Who the hell knows?

Why don't you ask them?

Meanwhile, remember, this is OUR fight.

[MandateThis]

31. Have a little faith!

If you believe that bush harms this country in secrecy why can't you believe that the SEnator is doing what he needs to do in secrecy? Should he play his hand to the enemy just appease the doubters? Maybe we don't need to know everything and maybe he knows what he's doing. He stood up to Nixon and fought hand to hand combat. The dems aren't doing nothing either. Check out their webpages. Read internet newspapers. If you are expecting to hear the real news on cable, you are going to be disappointed. KEEP THE FAITH! and read between the lines. When all this is over I'll tell you how I know.

[Vidar]

32. no bandwagon to jump on

[Rhapsody in Blue]

35. Speaking of Daschle ... I checked his numbers

... and found something odd in the state of South Dakota. (Newbie, so I can't start a new thread about this yet.)

Total votes for President: 388,215
Total votes for Senate: 391,188 ..... which is 2,978 more than for President?

In other words, nearly 3,000 people showed up to vote for the senate race, but didn't bother voting for President while they were there? Common sense would suggest this is not likely, and I've gone through about two dozen other state's results and have not found another case were the total votes for Senate exceeded the total votes for President.

Anyone local from South Dakota who can shed some light on this? Is this for real? I already sent the info to Tom Daschle's office.

Original numbers from www.sdsos.gov/Elections/

County by county breakdown posted at www.geocities.com/truthnow2004/South_Dakota.htm

[ebayfool]

40. That is odd - have you sent on to Ida Briggs or BBV?

If not it would be a good idea. Interesting catch!
Try posting this in one of the voting forums threads, they'll know who & where to send it on to.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=201

[Imagevision]

36. Why Dem Leaders Silent?--(Because!)

The fact that they are all silent tells me that to make any comments before all investigations-counts are in -- it would be a disadvantage to have the likes of FOXnews-Limbaugh-Hannity rip apart/smear any sound findings that may in fact become a reality.

Because all Dems are so silent speaks for itself, Bev Harris is certainly making headway...like they said, 17,000 lawyers are doing their jobs...I say allow them to do just that.

In Florida, Franc

[ginnyinWI]

38. I'm with you on the silence

It is deafening...and you would think that several of them at least would love to get on tv and sound off on the election, so this is uncharacteristic...so I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak.
:think:

[laruemtt]

39. the only way i could ever have respect

for any of these silent dems again is if they're being told to go along with what *co is doing or they'll pull off another 9/11 or worse, and they care enough about the people to not endanger them in that way. nothing else could defend them in my eyes ever again.