Some reasons I'm convinced that * LOST

[senseandsensibility]

1. Every "irregularity" (or ninety nine point nine percent of them) benefit *. This is a statistical impossibility.
2. The much discussed discrepancies between exit polling and results have never been explained. Exit polls have a historical record of accuracy.
3. There are documented instances of voter suppression in minority/poor areas.
4. Voting machines are owned by openly partisan repukes who not only contribute to *'s campaign, but, in one case, state that they will ensure a * win.
5. The political party screaming that we "have no proof" is the same party that fights mandatory paper trails. Who, in good faith, could be against paper trails and auditing of elections?
6. THE PARTY THAT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY BENEFITS FROM THESE IRREGULARITIES IS COMPRISED OF KNOWN LIARS AND CHEATS!!!!

To those of you who will close your eyes to all of this, and put your faith in the * administration and its cronies to tell us the truth, I say.... You deserve what you get.

[Vincardog]

1. kick

[Mabus]

2. Welcome to MY world

I've been here since Nov. 7, 2000. I became a permanent resident on Dec. 12, 2000.

[senseandsensibility]

4. November 7, 2000?

Wow, I wish I'd known about DU then. I was hopelessly glued to CNN at that time, trying to figure out why a chimp was being allowed to steal the election. I didn't get much help figuring out from CNN; they were too busy helping him steal it!

[Mabus]

26. LOL, I was referring to alternate reality world

where the rules were finally thrown out the window and the GOP proved they could lie bald-faced to the American public and the American public would take it.

I guess I refused that day's ration of soma. I found DU shortly afterwards thanks to listserves I was on at the time. People kept linking to DU posts. DU saved my sanity in the aftermath of the 2000 selection.

[IAMREALITY]

3. Besides all of those, Here's another

The one that Started it for me. That there is no way a President who has so many documented failures in his 4 years in office, with almost nothing to campaign on that was Positive of his performance, Won an election with 9 million more votes then he had previously, despite monumental efforts from the opposing party.

Also, Don't forget the bigger percentage than approval rating standard.

[senseandsensibility]

8. Good points!

:-)

[lynx444]

10. never crossed my mind!

i can't believe i had not thought of that before. i didn't realize that dubya got nearly 9 million more votes then in 2000. right there is enough proof for me that there must be massive fraud. i mean come on. he's done NOTHING good for this nation, he's ran us into the ground, and now he's gonna be the president again?

i don't think so.

[SmokingJacket]

24. Plus... the DEBATES!

Sorry -- after that first one, mumbling nonsense, no clear answers for anything, compared to Kerry who answered perfectly: COME ON!!!

Maybe I'm an insane idealist, but I just don't see more than half of Americans voting for him after that. No way.

[IAMREALITY]

28. Oh Yeahhhhh, and

Also the fact that the fraud dumbass bastard has to even be wired.

[senseandsensibility]

37. Of course it did help *

that the media came out after the debates saying that chimp won, even when their own internet polling told them the opposite. The power of owning a lapdog media really can not be exaggerated.

[skylarmae]

5. but what about the rest of us? n/t

[senseandsensibility]

9. I know!

We suffer too!x(

[JaneEyrez]

6. I'm with YOU 100%

That's why I've been trying to kick my posting at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1371524

I want people to BE THE MEDIA and keep all their friends/family knowledgeable about what the media WON'T tell them. I feel that this is going to be common knowledge EVENTUALLY, but I don't want that to be several years down the road when it's too late to undo the damage the little bastard will do in his second term. He's done enough. He's failed in every enterprise he's ever undertaken, including this one. He needs to go home!

:kick:

[senseandsensibility]

15. Why do even some in our own party say that it's time to

move on? Sure, we have to fight for the future, but we can't investigate this until Dec. 13? :shrug: A Demcoratic activist that my husband works closely with today told him it was time to move on.
He's very concerned about his wife, who is taking the loss badly. I feel that some of this denial is based on fear and emotion, unfortunately.

[autorank]

7. Kick!!!

:kick:

[mirandapriestly]

11. I have always believed that the supporters of "It" in this country

are in the minority, even people I know who are "conservative republican" types think that "It" is a terrible president and he is not a true conservative. His supporters are extremists and there is NO WAY they came up with 8 million or whatever extra of them to vote in the last "election". No way.

[noiretextatique]

18. no way in hell

nothing i've seen, read, or heard over the last 4 years will ever convince me that * "won" this election. with republican defections + a very motivated base of democrats + 2000 nader voters + muslims and arabs + whonever else bush pissed off...no way. no way all those people are less in number than those mythical evangelicals...no way in hell.

[aquart]

12. Tell Kerry.

[New Earth]

13. I'm sure he knows

[whalerider55]

23. perhaps he listens...

but does not hear.

perhaps he sees but does not understand.

perhaps he knows but does not act.

whalerider55

[jdots]

14. Thier deception tactics are based on thier inner wars

The rationize war,spying and deception and call it intelligence gathering,they hate our form of intellect where we ask questions instead of thinking we have found fundamental truth to pat ourselves on the back.They have changed words to dupe people,rewritten history to cover thier trails.If we can feel good about anything now and it's hard,we can see that they are thier enemy and any time this rises up it falls.What they have that is different now is the media which isn't the media but a big ad for thier ignorant belief that they are royalty and the world owes them a living. PERSEVERE thier shit doesn't work and they are so lost that they think thier shit doesn't stink.It does stink and it isn't just half this country that smells it,it is most of the world.

[Chimpanzee]

16. POPYCOCK!

Those honest republican 'patriots' would never do anything to undermine the US Constitution or the bill of rights. That is simply blasphemy!

[senseandsensibility]

17. hee hee

Have the repukes ever lied to us before? (yes). Well, have they lied to us RECENTLY? (yes, many times). Well, have they lied to us about election fraud? (absolutely). I rest my case!:)

[Chimpanzee]

27. OK - so I exaggerated a bit...

:evilgrin:

[Eloriel]

19. Well said, and here's some documentation for all of the above

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

Updated at least daily, usually twice a day. There's some amazing stuff in there, just amazing.

[senseandsensibility]

20. Thanks for the reminder!

:)

[Maine-i-acs]

21. One more reason: They don't want it recounted.

If the Repukes were sure they won legitimately, they wouldn't oppose a complete accounting of all votes.

Those crowing about a 'Mandate' shut up tight when I say "Then you shouldn't have any problem with a 100% recount of all votes in all states ..."

[Bread and Circus]

22. Frankly, if you follow Occam's Razor, fraud IS the simplest explanation

So, I for all the reasons he/she states, I agree w/ the
original poster. It's the only thing that ties it all together.

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

25. You left out the best reason

Americans would never return to office a man who lied them into a war.

[politicasista]

33. But unfortunatly, 59 million people have.

or am I dead wrong? The truth has to be revealed in time.

[knowbody0]

29. kick

[ever_green]

30. Stolen. There is no question about it.

I don't think we should "face it, we lost" as I hear many people, mostly republicans, suggest.

[senseandsensibility]

31. Why should we face something

that didn't happen? We "faced it" in 2000, and look where that got us.

[latteromden]

32. I am absolutely convinced that Bush lost...

There's one other thing that I just can't get out of my head that tells me that Kerry won and Bush lost.

I was at the Minnesota Kerry HQ on Election Night, and I went to check CNN's website (before they stopped letting us look at the results because we had to keep working) to see if they'd updated their electoral college map at all yet, and they had West Virginia (which was a swing state at one time), Illinois, most of the other southern states called, but not Mississippi. Mississippi was tagged "Too close to call," just like Ohio. It confused me beyond belief. They'd called the rest of the states based on exit polls- was Kerry really doing so well nationwide that Mississippi couldn't be called until the results came in?

I just can't get over it. That was the first thing I thought of the next morning, and it made me incredibly uneasy. They could have messed up with reporting the exit polls, or something, but it didn't sit right with me that MISSISSIPPI would be considered "too close to call" and yet Kerry lost the election. You really can't make Mississippi competitive as a Democrat and LOSE. I don't understand it.

[senseandsensibility]

34. Interesting.

Was it close in Mississippi? I have to confess I didn't pay much attention to that state, assuming it was *'s.

[latteromden]

35. Not close, but that just made it weirder

It ended up 60-40B, as everyone expected, but the fact that it was just such a sure solid state for him made it all the more strange that it would be considered close for any reason.

[newyawker99]

40. Hi latteromden!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[pointsoflight]

42. But so very different from so many other states...

...where the results weren't at all like what was expected.

Good to see that you agree that the expectations going in (as measured by polls) should be used as a barometer against the actual results.

[BlueTarheel]

36. I thought the same thing

when I saw North Carolina was too close to call at one point- I was proud my home state could possibly go blue (of course with Edwards being from there, too). A little later it was called for * :(

[newyawker99]

41. Hi BlueTarheel!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[grace0418]

38. Not to mention that four-, five-, even eight-hour-long

lines at the polls only translated into about 11 million more total votes. That's approximately 22 more votes per polling place, if the figures I found were correct. How do 22 additional people over the course of an entire day translate into the kinds of lines we saw on the news on Nov. 2? Even taking GOP election "watcher" harassment into account, that still seems fishy to me. In several precincts in Chicago, they ran out of ballots because response was so great. It seems to me that if you believe the numbers being reported, you have to believe that millions of people waited in line for hours but then decided not to vote once they got there. It makes no sense.

[pointsoflight]

39. Don't go gittin' all logical on us.