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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:47 PM
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We should all be outraged...
Harvey Wasserman

Ohio hearings show massive GOP vote manipulation, but where the hell are the Democrats & John Kerry?
November 17, 2004

Columbus, Ohio---Hour after hour the testimonies are the same: angry Ohioans telling of vicious Republican manipulation and de facto intimidation that disenfranchised tens of thousands and probably cost the Democrats the election.

At an African-American church on Saturday and then at the Franklin County Courthouse Monday night, more than 700 people came to testify and witness to tales of the atrocity that was the November 2 election.

Organized by local ad hoc groups, the hearings had a court reporter and a team of lawyers along with other appointed witnesses. At freepress.org we will be making the testimonies available as they're transcribed and organized, and we will present a fuller accounting of the hearings, along with a book that includes the transcripts.

But one thing was instantly and abundantly clear: the Republican Party turned Ohio 2004 into an updated version of the Jim Crow South.
Read the rest over at The Free Press:
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2004/991

This is the party that pretends to be MORE MORAL than we are?

They have no shame at all.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:53 PM
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1. I'll bet this has been happening in the minority districts
for a long time and we haven;t been paying attention until now.

We have got to vigorously support our minority members and actively seek our their concerns. The Democratic party has taken minorities for granted for too long. Even if the party leadership doesn't get it, the grassroots can do the job instead.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:55 PM
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2. Cool your jets, things are happening.
Just calm down and go for a walk or something.
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:58 PM
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4. Non, non, mon frere...
I think this is just exactly the right time to get angry... at the DNC and Kerry. If they don't jump into this fight right hot now, there ain't going to be a fight to jump into. :nuke: :mad:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:02 PM
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6. Agreed
It's like they have blinders on and have already moved on to business and usual. At this rate by 2008 we'll have two parties: Conservative Republicans and Moderate Republicans.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:57 PM
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3. This country is totally gone - its hopeless.
It hit me like a ton of bricks the other day - after what we let them get away with in 2000 without so much as a march on Washington - they know they can do anything they want and we are either too lazy or too defeated to fight them.
Did you read what Sy Hersh and Paul Voulker said about the future of the economy? This country is sunk - get out while the gettin's good. Last week I heard, on the local NPR station, that Chicago - Chicago - now has a "service" economy. Can you imagine that - the city of the "big shoulders" a service economy like - Gatlinburg or Orlando but bigger?
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:00 PM
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5. The question that haunts me is...
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 11:04 PM by jsascj
How do Republicans sleep at night? How can they even live with themselves?

They certainly don't have the "sleep of the just".
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:03 PM
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7. The "care about others" part of their brains never developed -
just the infantile "care about me" part.
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:06 PM
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8. Guess you're right and the scarey part...
They are running this country.

:mad:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:59 AM
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11. Actually, you make a very valid point
There is a part of the brain which is necessary for compassion, and in many people it is not developed to the point where they actually feel compassion. They can develop a morality, and live ethically by acting in a compassionate manner, but they don't actually feel compassion. They just know "it's the right thing to do" and act accordingly.

This failure to develop is caused by neglect in the first year of life, a failure to form an adult/baby bond. Not necessarily the mother or father, but any adult or caretaker. The first year is critical to development of this "compassion" part of the brain. The brain never ever regains the chance to develop. It's the first year or not at all.

Fascinating, and very sad. From all accounts, George W. Bush was not blessed with attentive and loving parents, despite Barb's "mother tiger" act that she loves to put on for show, and his father's weepy crocodile tears performance.

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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:08 PM
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9. Your question suggests that you think they're ashamed...
of what they're doing and thinking. Nothing could be further from the truth. They haven't shown the slightest bit of shame (or remorse) for any of the human suffering they are creating because, guess why, it isn't happening to them... and the people it is happening to, don't matter to them. It is the ultimate in US versus THEM thinking. YOU and your beliefs couldn't matter less to a Resmuglican/Rethuglican. They're using the Constitution and the Holy Bible to wipe their behinds with and the only thing they're ever worried about is getting caught and paying the price. Right now, they're like a teenager with their first credit card and a bill that won't come due till kingdom come. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:04 AM
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10. Repucks do not care, that is the problem but we do so

let us together be stronger, bigger, more powerful, let us join together into one working, operating machine with only one goal in mind, to take our country back from those her do not care for all her citizens.

I get really mad at times as well but then I realize that it is within our power to make the necessary changes for all of us. So let us use every avenue to get our values and beliefs out there working against the evil actions of those whether they be the repucks or others. We must start to work together always and not let smaller issues separate us and give them the ability to conquer us again. But most of all we must begin to protect our weakness members, to be watchful that no harm comes to them.

At this time it is the minorities and other democratic who were once again abused in this election. It will take time but it will be worth it once we are consolidated into one very large concerned community. We believe we are the social conscience then let us put the proof into the pudding, let us take care of each other in our day to day lives, become a family under one banner, one cause, the cause of Justice for All.

If we wish to take her back, we must pay the price of loyalty to all of us. It is the loyalty to their party, which has helped the Republic party so much, we will be loyal to each other and our social causes. We must not cross over to the other side of the river until the time is right which may not be for some.

So we must act together as one unit similar to the soldiers. We will borrow the motto of the Army, an Army of One. This is how we will win together.
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:50 AM
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12. Turn the military against its facist leaders through education.
The only effective way to control these people is by utilizing their own tools against them.
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:46 AM
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13. Hear, Hear...
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:54 AM
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14. Kerry has NO EXCUSE for not coming out on SUPPRESSION.
I understand why he might not want to raise a ruckus about fraud, yet, until there's more proof, but there's NO reason he shouldn't be raising the roof about the practices of voter indimidation/long lines/felon lists, etc.

He had better be preparing lawsuits about this.

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