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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:30 PM
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Turn OFF the Computer and Do Something!
Yesterday in my little town of San Luis Obispo CA (which is in a very red, county in a blue state), we had about 200 protesters marching through the streets with drummers playing drum cadences and people chanting and holding signs that said things like:

Fair Election? Prove It!
and
NO PAPER TRAIL = NO DEMOCRACY

People, average ordinary people, came out of coffee shops and stores to cheer us on.
IT FELT SOOO GOOOD!
This election fraud stuff and the lack of media coverage or Democratic Party attention has literally made me feel like I was going crazy. I've had trouble sleeping and I've been very distracted at work. Not only was this march great therapy, but we got the message to hundreds of people who probably never watch anything but Main Stream Media.

There is only so much we can do on the internet, although sites like DU are critical and invaluable for spreading the word, emails and websites are very easy for people to dismiss. Drums echoing off the buildings of their town are not.

We need to march everywhere, and often. DU will still be there when you get home.


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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:33 PM
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1. Good for all you folks!
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helnwhls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:34 PM
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2. You have inspired me
By the way Welcome to DU! :)

The point you bring up is so valid. I am logging off. Shutting the computer down and going outside.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:35 PM
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78. Get off the computer: Cable Access TV & IndyMedia
Yesterday, two friends and I gave a talk at the local library about evidence of vote fraud in the 2004 election (and in the 2000, 2002, and 2003 elections). A friend taped it and is going to submit the video to the local cable access television station. It should start appearing on air next week and will reach a broad audience - our local station airs DemocracyNow!, Christian Science Bible Lessons, Navy/Marine Corps News, and the Air Force News.

Your message has also inspired me to submit an article to our local online alternative news source -- I don't think they have anything posted yet. Even some of my enlightened Dem and Green friends are still reacting as if information about vote fraud should be relegated to the 'tin foil hat community', so, at this point, preaching to the choir may be a good thing!

Go team! O8)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:34 PM
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3. I'm having 35+ strangers come to my home this afternoon for a What Now?
meeting via MoveOn. I just hope they've done their homework and know what the real issue is, before we try to decide "how to find and groom progressive candidates".
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For PaisAn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:34 PM
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4. You're right
How did your march get organized? I wouldn't know how to get it done in my town which is also red in a blue state.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:58 PM
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8. Local Radio, emails & phone calls
I can't take credit for organizing it, but the people who did contacted the city and got the rules for peaceful protest then they promoted through word of mouth and local media. If you know of any progressive organizations in your town you might want to hook up with them to figure it out. People will also probably join up as you march. They did when we marched.

I highly recommend Drums! (and real drummers who can keep a beat if you can find some, if not just make NOISE!). Also thinking of chants that are a little more original than "Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Bla Bla Bla Has Got to Go" can make it more interesting, although we did use that as our default chant.

Good Luck!
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:35 PM
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5. good work pauldp
I am doing just that I got some flyers downloaded from bigpath.net
and I am going to kinkos right now to copy them and pass them out all week, ecept when I am working..

so if you see me posting here five minutes from now , just tell me


GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND DO SOMETHING
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:36 PM
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6. EXACTLY.....
That was the point I was trying to make HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=64753&mesg_id=66935&page=

Maybe I was being too obscure.

Me? I'm out on the streets by day, down in DU by night.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:57 PM
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29. Kick
:kick:
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:52 PM
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7. FWIW...a flyer text
Here's the text I've been using on my flyers:
I have several--targeted community flyers form bigpath with this message on the back.
Also, half page flyers with just this message--these are great, you can just have them in your pocket and hand them out to strangers on the street as you go about your daily business -- my sense is that this is very effective (oh,, yeah and I lied. Here I am on the Computer by day. Everyone deserves a day of rest sometime).
(I've deliberately not put DU on these flyers because it's too complicated for many people to follow)


OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE --- THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED!
KERRY WON HANDS DOWN!

NO LONGER ANY DOUBT!

30,000 IRREGULARITIES --- TAMPERING WITH MACHINES – BLACK AND MINORITY VOTES TRASHED – OUTRAGEOUS SCANDAL—STUDY AFTER STUDY PROVES IT – VOTE FRAUD EVERYWHERE – ACT NOW!

MEDIA BLACKOUT!

YOU WON’T SEE IT ON TV!

GET ON THE NET AND GET INVOLVED IMMEDIATELY! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW! JOIN THE INTERNET COMMUNITY!

ELECTORAL COLLEGE MEETS DECEMBER 12 – UNTIL THEN, THIS ISSUE IS NOT RESOLVED!

HERE SOME WEBSITES TO HELP YOU GET STARTED
(if you don’t have internet access—go to the PUBLIC LIBRARY or KINKOS!)

Support the Recounts:
http://helpamericarecount.org

Keep up with late-breaking News:
http://nov2truth.org/

Read and Write Opinions and Editorials
http://opednews.com

Follow the Vote Fraud Investigations
http://blackboxvoting.org

Tell the Government What you Think
http://www.thepen.us/e-fraud.html

To make your own flyer, select an image from this collection:
http://www.bigpath.net/politics/Home/home.html
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:03 PM
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10. Good Work!
Our March was called "Mandate My Ass!"
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:42 PM
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36. GUFFAW! LOL! eom
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:09 PM
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26. A million person march
asking who is our president?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:59 PM
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56. So Nowwwwwww I know how to get my Post Counts Up!
:)
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:29 PM
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59. Somewhat. Got a little more to do.... n/t
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:36 PM
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61. Now You're just confusing me LOL
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:34 PM
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70. Sorry
Never saw another thread kicked this way. Still new.
:hi:
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73. Nice to meet you.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:49 PM
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75. Wow!
You're workin' hard. Mostly I write letters (1) of protest (2) of thanks and encouragement(3) of information to impart......(repeat cycle over and over).
But, I am indeed waiting for this person's photos. I want to show them to our Dem Headquarters to perhaps inspire them to do same. We'll see.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:24 PM
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62. I thought SaveTheUniverse
was finding a creative way to keep this kicked.

If that's it, great! If it's only to get your posts # up, then I find it annoying because the posts are off topic. It gives the impression that lots of people are actively engaged in the topic when the reality is...not the reality.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:26 PM
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64. Ughhhhh, of course he is keeping it kicked....
I was just bustin on him while kickin it myself....
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:31 PM
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67. Just checking.
Thanks for letting me know.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:36 PM
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71. and the title of this thread says
to turn the computer off and do something. Funny....and here we are still! Anyway, the person who started this is attempting to get us pictures of the event. That'll be cool! Drums and all.
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:38 PM
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76. really, i was just trying to keep it kicked
how can you go an delete them?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:53 PM
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80. LOL Save
I laughed when I saw all of them deleted. Someone must've reported ya for actually thinking you were padding posts LOL Looks like you were just a part of your own mini conspiracy theory LOL

:toast:
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:37 PM
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82. I didn't laugh, I cried...here is why


Because of what went on behind the scenes in messages from the moderators. I just made this post to the Ask the Administrators forum.
And that is the end of my support for DU until I get a PUBLIC apology from Skinner and the moderators. :mad: :mad: :mad:

(But it sure has been fun pounding the pavement and getting the word out on the election fraud!)

OK, here is an open letter I'd intended to send, then decided I was being "unreasonable," potentially "paranoid." HOWEVER, I now see (apparently; pls correct me if i'm making another newbie idiot mistake and missing something here) that the forums for minorities have not been locked, just "archived": it amounts to the same. The discussions have been shut down. Does this mean that only professed white people are allowed to carry on discussions in these forums? Does this mean that those of us who have "culturally specific" issues, not only with this society, but also with this democratic community, have no place here? Might it not be beneficial for non-whites to hear what we have to say "straight from the horse's mouth"?
I now post my comments to the DU Administrators and to the Community at large.
This is Dr. Lilian Friedberg, aka savetheuniverse (formerly catastrophicsuccess), sleepless in Chicago writing to express my sincerest, heartfelt appreciation for the stunningly beautiful things you have done; what you have accomplished as a community is sure to become a major chapter in world history. It was an amazing collective, cooperative effort and a privilege to have been a part of it. Thank you. You have restored my faith in humanity.

Rob Kall at Opednews.com has since graciously corrected my letter on his website, so if efforts to get it printed continue, please let everyone know the opednews.com version is now OK. I will pursue my efforts to get it published from here, addressing the “following” I have since gotten as a result of Rob’s courageous decision to publish the letter. Of course, my ground efforts will also continue—using Paul’s (bigpath) incredible ad campaign materials, and various other methods and means culled from the annals of DU and our “beloved nefarious bowels.” And please, everyone, encourage Rob and Paul to continue their efforts--they are doing such a good job.

Until recently, I’d never posted on such a sophisticated message board as DU. It took me a while to get any sense of orientation. I know I made a lot of classic newbie mistakes—probably mortal sins, in fact—and likely drove the moderators to distraction in my attempts to figure things out. For that, I apologize.

Unfortunately, I do not dare enter the forum anymore. Not until I know some major issues have been addressed and rectified. As many of you noticed, sometime yesterday, I caught myself devising a method of kicking threads that I now call “creative kicking”—that is, instead of just writing “kick”—I began quoting various sources, all of which I thought were in some way relevant, either politically or simply in terms of helping to keep spirits up and encourage a group of overworked, underpaid, slightly frazzled and frenzied people doing some of the best work I have ever in my life seen. It was also a good way to practice using some of the marvelous DU functions I hadn’t realized were there and learning to carry on conversations with people at the same time. Now I am afraid of what I will find. Afraid more of my work has been destroyed. So I can’t even look.

Yesterday, I watched with delight as my work as an “internet graffiti artist” took shape, and waited in anticipation for like-minded DU-lers to take note and follow suit: WOW! Kicking doesn’t have to be a drag. Then came the crushing blow. I returned to the “GET OFF THE COMPUTER” thread only to find that my work had been destroyed. Autodafé. Book burning in cyberspace, these things came to mind. I felt like a Dixie Chick in Texas. Skinner had taken a pliers to my heart. In my inbox, a message warning me against SPAMMING the list. (When I responded by telling him it was a fucking insult, he warned me that I would be thrown OUT if I continued to “abuse” the moderators. Note: word “fuck” is listed in the OED, and its use is thus legitimate as far as I’m concerned. I did not call them fuckers, I told them what they did was a fucking insult to me. That's abuse?) For all I know, they've since put me on lockdown and destroyed ALL of my work.

These are the lines that were deleted:
To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch... to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded!

http://www.transcendentalists.com/emerson_quotes.htm

As an American Indian, as a die-hard, seasoned political radical, I am accustomed to being hated, vilified, damned and defamed. As a female activist, I will never forget Stokely Carmichael’s infamous statements about women’s position in the movement: prone. Sorry, but this IS our (shared) history (as men, women and minorities) and we must learn to deal with it. It doesn’t go away just because we put it in our past (like by "archiving" it?). I am accustomed to attempts to shut me down, shut me up and declare me clinically insane. I never expected this to happen on DU. Einstein said, “Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” So, was it Indian-hating, was it misogyny, fear of hyper-intelligence and creative short-circuit? God only knows. It certainly did seem ironic that the deletions came just as I was starting to "get the hang of it" and learn to work more effectively on this forum. Since others were also subjected to lockdowns, maybe I am just over-paranoid. A charitable reading tells me Skinner simply got super-stressed by the overload. That is a forgivable offense; anything else, just another sign of how much work there is still left to do.

As Winona LaDuke has written in her book Last Standing Woman, Indian-hating is rampant in this country. In many liberal forums, it is particularly insidious precisely because it is not overt and cannot be admitted. If you dare to so much as suggest that it plays a role in any liberal cause, you will be shot down immediately (the bullets don’t match the gun!) I don’t know that subconscious “Indian-hating” played a role here—and I’m not even making that charge. However, 500 years of American history have put me and many others like me on guard; Are we paranoid? No. We’re realistic. We have learned from experience: the basest form of Indian-hating comes to the fore when one of us jackpine savages dares to excel in areas that have traditionally been the preserve of others—any others, whether Black, Asian, Caucasian, etc.—anyone but Indians. Believe me: who ever heard of an Indian who translates Nazi German? Even my own community scoffs at my reputation as a Germanist and translator of German history and literature.

But the potential that latent Indian-hating exists in your communities is something you are going to have to address in your “new democracy”—if you ever succeed in getting it. Another reason I thought this might be a factor was a post I saw on the Ask the Administrator thread, requesting that Native American media links be posted; Skinner’s response to the American Indian poster was utterly dismissive (the poster was wasica, she'd made several requests to post NA media links). I had just been corresponding with Paul at bigpath on that very issue, and, after speaking by phone with the folks at the Circle in Mpls, sent out some posts to the major American Indian media outlets I am aware of.

My final concern is that these media outlets be added to your lists.

The Circle (Minneapolis)
http://www.thecirclenews.org /
http://www.mnnews.com/newspapers/circle.html

News from Indian Country
http://www.indiancountrynews.com/news.cfm

Indian Country today
http://www.indiancountry.com /

As incredible as the DU experience has been—it has broken my bank account, broken my spirit and broken my heart. I've never been one for the "battle of the most martyred minority" game, but you people do need to realize that the losses of the American Indian people far surpass those of any other group in this country. It's not about "poor me"--it's about dealing with the genocide that is the very foundation of this society. Now, if we manage to get democracy back on its feet, are you as administrators of this list going to take these concerns seriously?
(Of course, as a German-Jewish-Native-American-Female-African-Drummer, I have a lot of experience with mending broken hearts and spirits, so there’s no need to despair or worry about me—and for everything else, there’s mastercard). I scoured the pages of Plath’s collected works for some appropriate words to send to Skinner, telling him what I think. But I’d have had to have sent him the whole thing!

With a plea for peace, love and understanding,

Dr. Lilian Friedberg

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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:10 PM
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27. good work!
I just came back from a road trip to Tallahassee Florida and a stop in Gainesville Fl. I passed out BigPath flyers to people with Kerry stickers still on their cars and posted them on the bathroom stalls that I visited. Talked to several people about election fraud and did what I could to spread the word about the need for election reform.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:11 PM
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28. I live in Bakersfield, California
which you know is Shrub Brush Country---red in a blue state kinda town (all of Kern County is, actually). My hubby and I are frequently over by SLO and Wow! That was great to read about that! Sorry we missed it all. We would have run out into the streets and joined you!!

Do you have photos? I'd love to send one or 2 to our Dem Headquarters here and maybe get the juices going. Do you have access to a website that you could post photos? That would be even better.
:kick:
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:37 PM
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35. Photos
I'll try to get a hold of some photos. My wife shota a little video. I'll see if I can get it digitized.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:56 PM
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54. Great!
Thanks!!
:yourock:
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rosyhue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:05 PM
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30. good job!
Interesting people cheered you on like that.
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shakerbaker Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:13 PM
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31. It has already started to impact my work
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 03:14 PM by shakerbaker
The Hospital I work at is pressuring nurses to not take overtime otherwise they will be put on notice that if it occurs again they will be fired. This is merely a prelude to increasing our nurse to patient ratio and ultimately their goal is to abolish our union and contract us(=less pay and benefits) Presently the ratio here is 4 patients to a nurse. These are acutely ill patients.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:15 PM
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32. i also
passed out some big path flyers this afternoon and plan on doing it all week
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:23 PM
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33. kick
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:31 PM
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34. Already on it
Attended a 3 and a half hour county Dem party strategy meeting with 200-300 other people yesterday. We're working on it.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:57 PM
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55. Awesome!!
:yourock:
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Action Jackson Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:04 PM
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57. start public protesting now!
Yes. I think we need to start demonstrating in public immediately. Let's do it. Now!!!!
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:34 PM
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77. There is a rally in Ohio Dec 4
to demand a revote
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:39 PM
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79. Kick!
Great News!!!
:kick:
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:18 AM
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81. Black Friday
I'm pushing for another march in our town on the day after Thanksgiving - Black Friday, the biggest shopping day of the year. I think it would be a good day to let everyone know that we are not just a bunch of complacent consumers with no brains as the media would like us to be.

I hope to have some links to photos from Saturday's march up tomorrow.

A clarification on the drummers. I may have given the impression it was some tight professional drum line. It was really a rather rag tag
handful of drummers and percussionists, of which I was a part. Nonetheless, we sounded good, it inspired people and damn did it feel good! I hope to get more drummers together for our next demonstration, maybe even rehearse!

savetheuniverse - Thanks for kicking it!

March! March! March!



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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:46 PM
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83. All I gotta say is,
What a bloodbath. I'll be sure not to kick any more.
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