We Need To Stage An Election Fraud, Anti-Bush Protest In New York City

[rosyhue]

the rest of the world's media pays most attention to New York City.
That's just the way it is.
Small protests throughout the US are important...but we need a biggie
in Manhattan. Dems, Repubs against Bush, Green Party people - all need to participate.

[New Earth]

1. awesome idea

i could probably make it too, i'm in NJ.

[For PaisAn]

2. I'd go!

I wish UFPJ would organize one and not wait for the coronation on 1/20/05.

[proudtobeadem]

3. Yeah, and it should be soon...

But I'm in NYC and I haven't heard or seen much about the **sh selection. Do you know if there are a lot of NY DU'ers ?

[DireStrike]

4. haha... This way, NYC DUers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=169&topic_id=178&mesg_id=178

[henslee]

15. Yes, there are. (check out state forum) U R right-not much talk in NY-nt

[indigo11153]

5. I'm for protesting the Media

I think they have it coming!

[Solitaire]

6. I'm a DU NY'er....I'm in.

[brindis_desala]

12. I agree

The media has completely shirked its responsibility in this matter.
Its time to organize a boycott of them AND their sponsors, coordinated with a march on say Rockefeller Center?, perhaps to coincide with one of their live feeds? I won't tip my hand but you guys can figure it out. The airwaves belong to the PUBLIC and the media is ignoring the will of the people.....AGAIN. Our right to free and fair elections is basic or our democracy itself is a fraud.

[indigo11153]

14. I'm in Texas

But I'll go to NY if we are protesting the Media. The republican won't be bothered much if we protest them but the media will freak. We need a good plan.

[rosyhue]

32. they certainly do...

and all the major networks are in the city...
perhaps we can incorporate several themes....9/11, election fraud, media...etc...

[Karenca]

7. I'll definately go

I'm a New Yorker.
Let's do it.

[New Earth]

8. the only thing though -

is that i don't think it will be as effective if it concentrates too much on being 'anti-Bush'. it should be more like 'anti-FRAUD and pro-truth.

[henslee]

16. Would be best if it came/was blessed by ACT or someone similar...

It needs to be a unified event for democracy/counting votes, with a press conference, etc.

[rosyhue]

25. agreed

if we could get a reputable, experienced group behind us...or to hook up with...things would be easier to organize...cuz we need a permit to rally...which, if I remember correctly, UFPJ had a bitch of a time obtaining....

[rosyhue]

24. good point...

there's so many things to be "anti" about these days it's kinda hard to zero in on just one, though...

[RhodaGrits]

9. Yeah but almost a half million of us protested the RNC and

they still managed to lie about our numbers and focus on violence - as long as the media is in Bush's pocket, it's all uphill.

[rosyhue]

22. I know. Was at that march...

and saw how the numbers were played down. It received decent coverage abroad, though, so your contribution wasn't worthless by any means.

[RhodaGrits]

28. I don't regret it for a moment :-) And if they organize another

for this, I will probably march but my expectations for what will be reported will be greatly reduced. NYC can handle it, D.C. can handle the crowds - maybe we should have a half million people show up in small town suburbia somewhere - THAT might get some coverage LOLOL

[Action Jackson]

10. yes. we need it ASAP

lets do it. it has to be done.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. How about having a funeral for democracy?

People could dress in 'mourning' cloths, preferably black. We've already got over 1000 coffins from the last big protest. Of course, this should be a 'fun' funeral. Maybe along the lines of how they do it in New Orleans?

[rosyhue]

26. lol

a funeral for democracy would certainly be apt...

[Dancing_Dave]

13. PUT 9/11 TRUTH IN IT TO!!!

The one thing that New Yorkers have that could bring down the Bush Regime at any time is simply 9/11 truth. When the 9/11 cover-up breaks down in New York City, it will break down everywhere.
http://www.ny911truth.org/

[Action Jackson]

17. we can take over studio audience shows

lets get out on the airwaves.

[Gloria Days]

18. I'm in

[BlueDog2u]

20. Good idea

Focus on the Media, Corporate Power, Fair Elections, and 9-11. These issues are all closely interconnected: and if we're to be in NY, we must have a focus on 9-11. There is a broad political spectrum of citizens convinced we didn't get the truth on this, and that the job was done with inside assistance. How many of us are even aware that the media's big report on Election 2000 was scheduled to be released on....Nov. 12, 2001. I just read that myself very recently. I believe it is true. The report has now been shitcanned indefinitely. Apparently, 9-11 really did change everything. Including destroying the last shred of MSM accountability to public values.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=87125

[rosyhue]

33. yes, 9/11 should be emphasized in some manner

we need to let people know we haven't forgotten what happened...

[spooked]

19. How about Right BEHIND the MACY'S Thanksgiving Day Parade?!

That should get some publicity!!!

[Blue in the face]

21. NYC or DC?

Would it be better to have the protest in the friendly confines of New York or would it make a bigger statement to hold them in DC, in Bush's back yard?

I'll be there regardless. But I'm just thinking out loud.

[proudtobeadem]

23. I think we'd get more media coverage in NYC ...

If only because of the MACY's Parade.
I am pretty new, can anyone tell me how to post those little smiley faces that move, jump up and down, and say YOU ROCK!!??
I would really love to be able to use these. Thanks :)

[SaveAmerica]

40. I was thinking DC...

in support of democracy. How about both? NYC in protest of the media's role and DC for democracy. Is the mall large enough to hold masses of people without disrupting traffic or causing damage? Are the WWII and Vietnam memorials close to the mall? (Not familiar with DC). Why stop there? When the date and time are decided, protests can be planned for the same time in large cities across the US for those who can't get to DC. At this time when we want to scream, yell, and shout, would it be beneficial for all cities to have 10 minutes of silence at the same time during the protest? How can the media ignore that?


I only recently stumbled across this message board, I'm glad I did, I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way.


(sorry if it's a re-post, computer froze when sending first time)

[rosyhue]

27. how about we all grab hold of the snoopy balloon....

and drift away to a kinder, gentler place? lol
having something on Thanksgiving in the city would certainly get the masses attention...only problem is obtaining a permit for that day would probally be super hard...though I'm not entirely sure

[rosyhue]

29. so the interest is here....

it's a matter of deciding on a theme...and obtaining a permit...
have any of you obtained a permit for a protest before?

[tbuddha]

30. What about bringing out-o-staters in by bus?

Could someone raise funds for buses like the way Promise Keepers moves people?

[Kralizec]

31. Go for a million!!! n/t

[rosyhue]

34. important: we may not need a permit, afterall

here is a link which explains permit regs in NYC:

http://www.nyclu.org/right_to_demonstrate.html

note the following paragraph:

Do I need a permit?

It depends. If you want to distribute handbills on a public sidewalk or in a public park, have a demonstration, rally, or press conference on a public sidewalk, or march on a public sidewalk and you do not intend to use amplified sound, you do not need any permit. If you want to use amplified sound on public property, want to have an event with more than 20 people in a New York City park, or wish to conduct a march in a public street, you will need a permit. If you wish to have an event on the steps of City Hall or in the plaza in front of the steps, you need to make special arrangements with the Police Department.
*****************************

So we have a demonstration on a public sidewalk holding signs without using bullhorns. No permit needed. Thoughts?

[Timebound]

35. Could work

I have a group of about 50 people that might be able to come. Who should I send them to?

We need to make a website and organize...quickly.

Who would be the official organizer? Would it be rosyhue?

[rosyhue]

36. how about we stage a non-permit recount demonstration

to show support for the Ohio protestors? (see below)

If we want to get something together quickly...it's best to take the no-permit route, right?

If yes...we have to abide by the rules in the NY protest
info URL I posted in the message above. No street marches. No amplified sound. Gathering together on a public sidewalk in a area
we all decide upon shouldn't be difficult, though.

We could set camp in front of a media outlet and organize it via this site & email. If we all helped one another we could organize several protests to take place at the same time in various spots in NYC to show support for the Ohio recount crowd. OK, so it wouldn't be a massive march due to permit restraints...but we could still make waves.

Sorry, I don't have the capability of creating a website but don't really think we'd need one. Lets work together and make it happen.

[liam97]

37. There is a rally in Ohio Dec 4

Local groups will be demanding a revote...

[Timebound]

38. !!!

Do you have a link to a website with information?!

[liam97]

39. CASE Ohio

http://www.caseohio.org/CaseOhio/ lawyer on KPFT and Laura Fl said that. Her name is Susan Truitt I think

[tbuddha]

41. poll for the date??

Can someone do a poll for the date?

[Hobbes199]

42. Coinciding with the Ohio rally on the 4th?

I'm interested in doing a simultaneous event in Seattle. Anyone else?

[rosyhue]

46. sounds good

we can show support for Ohio protestors by scheduling it on the same day.

[Karenca]

43. kick n/t

[Karenca]

44. Media atteneion....

Do you think we may get MSM attention if
we are able to coincide some protests the same day:
i.e:

NY
OHIO
SEATTLE. Etc.

I think it would be a great idea,

Also, Can we make a Web page?

Thanks..Good Luck to us all!!

[tngledwebb]

45. Will work if fraud message is clear, if speakers can present it clearly,

if no nutty celebs or divisive speakers are in sight, if turnout numbers are 100,000+, if Bush bashing is held to a mininium, if international media covers it big-time, BBC especially. ( American media will not cover this in any significant way.) A simultaneous, but only if massive, march to Capitol Hill might be useful. Also suggest a human blockade around NYT, WaPo and major networks Hq's, except the most obvious, ie Fox. This would help identify one of America's real problems for the rest of the world, and for the middle of the road Dem's and others who still believe in a 'liberal media.' The media shutdown in itself may be the most effective.

[liam97]

47. Ohio

my unsolicited suggestion is to make Ohio the site of a huge rally that no one can ignore

[rosyhue]

48. right

The media should most definately be protested. We could carry signs regarding election fraud, "bring the troops home now", and 9/11. Why not? The media stifles election recount issues, war coverage, soldiers suffering here at home and played right along with the current admin's exploitive use of 9/11 to scare New Yorkers all summer.

[Kralizec]

49. I completely agree... here are a few other threads talking about the same

subject. Check them out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x70740

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=70165&mesg_id=70165