What is Cybernet connection to Accenture? Can I get Du'ers to research

[AnIndependentTexan]

We need to find out what the connection Accenture and Cybernets groups is. I need everyones help to research it. Be careful and be rational about it.

[Ardee]

1. I know Accenture

They are a consultancy specializing in outsourcing. They are owned by the same firm that owned the Enron accountancy firm (whose freakin name just flew out of my head dammit!).

They are currently at work in MY company, thank you very much, and it sucks!

[BlueDog2u]

4. Arthur Anderson

Remember how Kerry kept saying he would pass legislation to punish offshore companies who evaded taxes? He had them in his sights. They compiled the Florida State Felons list for $20 million. The year before it cost a few tens of thousands of dollars. Go figure. Its all in the family anyway, so why qibble about 19.9 million?

[Ardee]

21. Gotcha

Thanks for covering my increasing lapses into senility. I wouldnt trust that firm one little bit, and that goes for their consultancies as well....Accenture is attempting to outsource completely every facet of my company, a public utility upon which the ratepayers depend and about whom they care not one whit!

[BlueDog2u]

36. You've got the right company...

Accenture is attempting to outsource completely every facet of my company, a public utility upon which the ratepayers depend and about whom they care not one whit!

[AnIndependentTexan]

2. what does this mean? The Digital Opportunity Initiative

http://www.hosts2002.com/Computers/Web-Hosting-5.htm

229. Opt-init
The Digital Opportunity Initiative (DOI), a public private partnership of Accenture, the Markle Foundation and the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), was launched at the G-8 Okinawa Summit in 2000, with the aim of identifying the roles that information and communication technologies (ICT) can play in fostering sustainable economic development and enhancing social equity.
http://www.opt-init.org/ Added: Nov 2, 2004

[BlueDog2u]

6. That's very good

That's the happy face on Accenture. They certainly know the right buzzwords to use, "sustainable economic development and enhancing social equity." Very good.

[ccarter84]

60. hmm...

I think I may take a break from the forum for a few minutes, just to let my worldwide economic-political conspiracy thoughts subside....Knew there was no reason to trust accenture anymore than anderson
all the power seems to be in buzzwords and their power to deceive

'healthy forests initiative'...that one's my favorite

-CC:tinfoilhat:

[Name removed]

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[New Earth]

72. go back up to his original post and click 'ALERT'

and then type your message to the moderator.

[AnIndependentTexan]

75. Ironically since there is only two forums I post at and that isn't it

I only post here at Democratic Underground and at another forum that isn't BBV. I have no connection to Bev Harris at all. The other forum that I post at is Common Ground Common Sense. If Skinner wish to confirm who I am then I'll be glad to provide Skinner information. I have nothing to hide.

First I'm 23 and I live in Texas. Just as my name suggest. I've been posting at Democratic Underground before all of this was started. I have a dad who happens to be a forum member. If skinner ask I will provide any INFORMATION Skinner wants.

Another thing about Common Ground Common Sense is that it used to be called Kerry/Edward forum. I was a member there before I was a member of Democratic Underground. I have nothing to hide on who i am, but my question is why would someone say I am someone else?

Also if you think I am leading anything then you are wrong. I'll even tell were the question came from to start this thread.

What else can we investigate about CyberNet?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=68598&mesg_id=68598

and to note you will notice BlueDog2u ask the question
What's their connection to Accenture?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=68598&mesg_id=68738&page=

Which here you will also notice that Wiley50 made a post on that same page
2. If nothing else.....

[Ducks In A Row]

76. I wouldn't excited about someone with 9 posts

I trust you,

of course that doesn't really mean anything, I know.

:)

[Wiley50]

86. And the allegation to me is what?

That I posted almost verbatim on another thread what I posted here? I said exactly that in the other thread when I duplicated it.
Look. I don't know if you are Auditor or not. But I am on both boards, I only post when I really feel like I have something to contribute, and I'm getting pretty tired of that Guy Auditor and ones like him that I haven't recognized for what they are yet JERKING MY CHAIN.
Sorry If you ain't him. I
did not make that accusation about you.

But if that Guy's posting here I do want him found out.

This fire is potentially too big to have anyone throwing gas on it.

Wiley

[AnIndependentTexan]

91. I know and there is none about you either

I included your name because it was in that thread meaning you were a witness that the thread was here before. You responded to that thread and that was were the question came from that started this thread.

[Name removed]

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[AnIndependentTexan]

3. Accenture Inc. and CyberNet group took the same contracts

Departments of Procurement: No Bid Contracts filed

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:KwuFGY5sl5gJ:www.csc.cps.k12.il.us/purchasing/bid_history/2328.html+Accenture+CyberNet&hl=en

[BlueDog2u]

5. Can you interpret this for us?

[AnIndependentTexan]

7. not for sure myself another friend who is researching it as well

mentioned it. I'm wondering if we have a Du'er here who knows what it means.

[harmonyguy]

16. What it means....

The document at that link is a Solicitation Report produced by the Chicago Public Schools Department of Procurement & Contracts.

The Solicitation was a Request for Proposal (RFP) for the implementation and rollout of some Oracle software module(s).

Of the 188 people on the Take-Out-List (those that obtained or 'took-out copies of the RFP), 57 of them (yes, including Accenture and a company named Cybernet Services Inc) chose to attend a pre-submittal conference, which is a meeting between the folks that wrote the RFP and those that are considering responding to it, in order to answer common questions.

Ultimately, a total of 7 vendors chose to respond to the RFP and actually submit bids to do the work, although Cybernet Services Inc, did NOT submit a bid. Accenture DID submit a bid. There is no indication on this report, of to whom the contract was awarded, or even if the contract was awarded at all.

The fact that both the names Cybernet and Accenture appear on this same page should NOT be construed as being an indication of any link between these two firms. All that is indicated is that both firms were at one time interested in bidding on the same business.

Nothing more....

HG

[AnIndependentTexan]

24. ok thanks this is why I want to know both sides of things before

jumping into anything. I don't want to be caught up, but I do want to investigate time into investigating. It was important to know.

[BlueDog2u]

38. Thanks very much, HG, for the clarification.

"The fact that both the names Cybernet and Accenture appear on this same page should NOT be construed as being an indication of any link between these two firms. All that is indicated is that both firms were at one time interested in bidding on the same business."

I repeat the most important part of your conclusion for emphasis. But it shows that the two companies are involved in parallel operations, doesn't it? So, to spin a hypothetical, if one company decided to opt out of the bid, that could, in theory, be a benefit to both -- right?

[harmonyguy]

57. I suppose it's possible .....

.. but, in my experience in that very industry, I doubt it.

I happen to have worked for one of the 'other' companies on the original Take-out list (albeit in another country). There's the BIG boys and there's the REST of them. Accenture would be one of the BIG boys, and I'd be very surprised to see them get any benefit by having yet-another one of the 100+ little guys drop out.

School-Board implementations of Oracle-type products, seldom go to the REST.

For sanity's sake, I've withdrawn from the thread over at BBV, and will likely do the same here.

HG

[BlueDog2u]

96. Thanks for the clarifying comment

[AnIndependentTexan]

8. Basically I was told this

it says here Accenture and CyberNet group both took the same contracts at the department of Procurements the exact same day

[Bozos for Bush]

100. WRONG! CyberNET Group IS NOT Cybernet Services!

Sorry is this has been pointed out in this thread, but these two companies are not the same.

John

[AnIndependentTexan]

9. Is there any Accenture connections to Stryon?

[MarkusQ]

10. I smell a Rat Hole

Before we go tracing every contact of Acceture (formerly Arther Anderson, IIRC), we ought to ask ourselves: why? Yes (again, IIRC), they were the Enron accountants, etc. And CyberNet was raided by the FBI. And they both may be inbred as all get out and may well both be dirty as sin. But that doesn't matter at this point, because this whole CyberNet & the world thread is missing one big factor:

Relevance

The first step is to prove that something fishy was done. Not allege it, not just wave space-photos at the U.N. or bang your shoe on the table, prove it.

Then it will make sense to figure out who's behind it. Not guess, not show that they might have been in the same men's room once with someone who knew something suspicious, but actually build the case against them like we would with a sniper or an embezzler. Use some of the excess energy we waste on people like Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson to go through their phone logs at sniff their trash until we've got proof.

And after that, then we nail them.

Repeat after me: First, prove there was a crime. Second catch the bad guys and prove they did it. Third, the lynching. If you don't keep that order straight, you're no better than the people you're trying to unseat. It may seem more emotionally satisfying to get to the lynching first, but it's not the right way to do it.

-- MarkusQ

[BlueDog2u]

11. No one is doing any lynching

And there is more than one route to discovery. You're correct to say that the direct connection to vote fraud has not been made in the case of either Cybernet or Accenture. That does not mean that those who are curious about these two entities should not follow their intuitions and see what turns up. And I repeat, your reference to "lynching" rings a bit bizzare.

For details on why Accenture is suspiciously relevant to Votergate, try this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=66214&mesg_id=66214

[eowyn_of_rohan]

41. Good for you

Sheesh--everybody wants to be in charge around here, eh ;)

[BlueDog2u]

50. Its just because we are so mean and ugly

and you, Eowyn, put down that whip immediately! Wormtongue is still speaking to the King. :tinfoilhat:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

56. LOL. Thanks for helping me to remember to keep my place!

Aaaargh!

[Ducks In A Row]

77. Just finished watching #2 of LOTR tonight

so I just realized what that all meant.

It is funny. :)

[MarkusQ]

53. The reason I said "lynching"...

There have been several other threads on this (here and elsewhere), and some of the people posting to them have implied--or flat out stated--that these were the guys & we needed to go get them. I call it "lynching" because that is the proper name for the behaviour.

I feel that it is counterproductive.

You are correct in pointing out that I mistakenly carted my impressions from the other threads over and dumped them here. Reacting only to what I see on this thread, I would recast my objections, but not retract them.

I think this is a red herring, a rat hole, or whatever else you care to call it. I come from a technical background and have seen a great deal of effort wasted over the years by people who go leaping ahead of the data, postulating wildly and then following up on their guesses as if they were established facts. Meanwhile, the quiet guy (or gal) with the clipboard and the pointed questions is the one who gets the job done.

The way to get answers is to move methodically and check your work. The way to be a crack pot is to take a what-if and run into the sunset with it.

Just my humble opinion. The great thing about a free society is nobody has to take my advice unless they agree with it.

-- MarkusQ

[BlueDog2u]

65. Please direct your responses to the responsible parties

"There have been several other threads on this (here and elsewhere), and some of the people posting to them have implied--or flat out stated--that these were the guys & we needed to go get them. I call it "lynching" because that is the proper name for the behaviour."


I have not seen any of that kind of energy on this thread. If I do see it, I ignore it. Here there is enthusiasm for research, motivated by a righteous indignation, to be sure, but really about the farthest thing one could imagine from a lynch mob.

[BlueDog2u]

66. Please direct your responses to the responsible parties

"There have been several other threads on this (here and elsewhere), and some of the people posting to them have implied--or flat out stated--that these were the guys & we needed to go get them. I call it "lynching" because that is the proper name for the behaviour."


I have not seen any of that kind of energy on this thread. If I do see it, I ignore it. Here there is enthusiasm for research, motivated by a righteous indignation, to be sure, but really about the farthest thing one could imagine from a lynch mob.

[AnIndependentTexan]

12. That was the point of posting Be careful and be rational about it.

I don't want anyone looking for links as to a crime. I just want full out links of anything. I think we need to be careful as well and be rational. No jumping to a point, but just pure investigating.

[Blue in the face]

13. Links

Here's one on the Accenture contract with Florida's felon database.

"In a separate report last week, Gov. Jeb Bush's technology office was criticized in a scathing audit for the way it awards contracts to companies, including Accenture.

Among the problems Hood's office had with Accenture:

• Three project managers were assigned by Accenture in the final year.

• One database administrator sent in February "had no prior experience with this application," the memo said.

• As late as April, state overseers found a series of yet "more errors" by Accenture.

• Deadlines were missed starting June 30, 2003. In one instance, a technical representative left the company without transferring her work to anyone, the memo said.

"Of course we were frustrated," said former state elections boss Ed Kast, who retired in June. "We all wanted to know why it couldn't get done faster."

Dawn Roberts, who replaced Kast, said the memo was ordered by Hood.

"I think she was getting a lot of questions from reporters and from critics," Roberts told the Herald. "She asked for the answers in writing."

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/9298906.htm

A couple of names pop out at me, the auditor of the technology office Bill Monroe http://www.state.fl.us/audgen/pages/agwelcome.htm and former state elections boss Ed Kast. If they aren't cooperative in the investigation, can their files be subpoenaed?

I got the info from Mother Jones- http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/WebX?[e-mail]0CAXti.0@.ee9cd50/48

[BlueDog2u]

33. That's also nice...keep up the good work.

[AnIndependentTexan]

14. DIEBOLD Inc. is in Grand Rapids Michigan

Their official electronic repair division

http://smallbusiness.dnb.com/company-information.asp?prodid=0&catalog=Home&key=049238108&itemName=DIEBOLD%2C+INCORPORATED&country=US&city=GRAND%20RAPIDS&addr=3510+ROGER+B+CHAFFEE+SE&state=MI&zip=49548-2328&trade=&TelNbr=6164525000&cm_mmc=&bhcd2=1101088329

Branch location

3510 Roger B Chaffee Se
Grand Rapids, MI 49548-2328
Phone: [phone]

Use this to find ALL locations

http://smallbusiness.dnb.com/default.asp?bhcd2=1101087510

[Carl Brennan]

28. That's the back door of CyberNET!!

(((Just kidding)))

But it would be a neat find.

Wonder how geographically close Cybernet is to Diebold?

[Carl Brennan]

30. Here is CyberNET's--the raided office--address

The CyberNET Group
25 South Division Avenue
Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

[BlueDog2u]

39. LOL

Its the back door they use to ship the missing servers out of en route to the Phillipines....

Notice I did not use the word "crime," let alone "lynch." I just think we need imagination as well as facts. Linus Pauling proved that a virus caused the common cold by thinking like a virus.

[MI Cherie]

79. About 6 miles, 10 minute drive

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&un=m&2tabval=address&cl=EN&ct=NA&1tabval=address&1y=US&1a=3510+ROGER+B+CHAFFEE+MEM+DR+SE&1c=GRAND+RAPIDS&1s=MI&1z=49548-2328&1ah=&2y=US&2a=25+DIVISION+AVE+S&2c=GRAND+RAPIDS&2s=MI&2z=49503-4201&2ah=&idx=0&id=41a18867-002a7-015b8-cdbcf36b&aid=41a18867-002a8-015b8-cdbcf36b

[Carl Brennan]

84. Wow. Thanks alot for that help. It was a long shot

anyway. :hi:

[Wiley50]

15. cough cough ( clearing throat )

I'm new here and don't claim to be any researcher much at all.
But have you folks seen the last 3or 4 posts by Auditor in the BBV forum on this subject.
just in case you hadn't noticed it yet.
He seems to be making his case

Wiley

[Blue in the face]

17. I didn't read it this afternoon, but I'm aware of the thread

I don't know if any of this will come to anything. But throwing it out there for people with computer, statistical, or business backgrounds can't hurt either.

As long as we don't start jumping down each other's throats, we either provide good analysis or at least give ourselves something to do besides wallow in our own misery.

Looking at the BayPoint and Cybernet thread on bbv.org, I'm not smart enough to know if auditor is making his point or getting his ass handed to him, but I think he's done some great research.

As far as what little I can contribute, here is some info on Accenture's PAC- who has contributed and who it went to. I didn't notice anything glaring, but then again, I don't know who the Congressional players are on finance and tech matters. It does seem like they've given to both sides, though.

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/committees/accenture_pac.asp

Here's a website with some info on the Accenture- Bush campaign connection, at least money-wise. http://welfarewarriors.org/s04--corp.crap.htm

"BUSH GIVES CONTRACT TO TAX TRAITOR/CAMPAIGN DONOR

On June 1, the Bush administration gave a $10 billion contract for Homeland Security to Accenture. Accenture recently moved its headquarters to Bermuda to avoid US taxes.

Two years ago Bush and Congressional allies gutted a bill to deny homeland security contracts to corporations who move offshore to avoid US taxes. At the time, Accenture hired GOP political consultant “and Bush family confidant” Charlie Black to lobby to kill the bill. Accenture executives have given Bush over $68,000 in campaign contributions since 2000.

In 2002, Bush said the Bermuda loophole should be closed, but refused to support any of the bills that would do so.

Info from The Daily Mislead"

By the way, Wiley, from one newbie to another, Welcome to DU!"

[Blue in the face]

27. Money link

Charlie Black, from all reports a long-time Bush confidant, heads up Accenture's lobbying arm. Burson-Marsteller is the PR firm for Accenture. Guess who teamed up with Burson-Marteller for an 18-month, $15.3 million voter education campaign- Ohio Sec of State Ken Blackwell. http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/news/voting_machines.htm Ken Blackwell mentions Accenture on his website http://www.kenblackwell.com/accomplishments.asp?formmode=view&id=9

And here's yet another Burson-Marsteller link to Accenture. Burson-Marsteller's old chairman, James Murphy, is now head of Global Managing Director of Marketing and Communications for Accenture. http://www.accenture.com/xd/xd.asp?it=enweb&xd=aboutus%5Cexecbio%5Cbios_murphy.xml I don't know if he fits in, but it's a connection, so I'm throwing it in for discussion.

And in that same vein, here's some more info found on Charlie Black. http://www.rmpn.org/weblog/archives/permalink/002083.cfm

[BlueDog2u]

31. Nice work.

I like that a lot. Blackwell and Accenture. That's very good. We're doing well. Lots of dots to connect, but we're doing it.

And this:

"Two years ago Bush and Congressional allies gutted a bill to deny homeland security contracts to corporations who move offshore to avoid US taxes. At the time, Accenture hired GOP political consultant “and Bush family confidant” Charlie Black to lobby to kill the bill. Accenture executives have given Bush over $68,000 in campaign contributions since 2000."

Really excellent. Remember I said at the top of this thread that Kerry has these guys in his sights? -- by that I mean is watching them through his admiral's telescope, watching their moves. So, here's what we've now discovered: Bush made it possible for accenture to escape paying taxes and then rewarded the company with a $10 billion homeland defense contract. The executives of said company returned the favor by donating $68,000 to the re-elect Bush campaign? Somehow, there's got to a bigger quid pro quo.

What was it?

[Carl Brennan]

92. Lot's of Homeland Security money going to Ohio

See near the bottom:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x54904

[Carl Brennan]

87. Great work. I'm trying to get an FOIA request on Blackwell

See my topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x54904

[harmonyguy]

18. We're just not sure about what kind of case he's making....

He certainly is making A case, with a lot of wild accusations and speculation. It would appear that he understands precious little about what he finds online, and states his own flawed inferences as if they are fact.

Now, if only we could get him to actually read and understand the links he's posting.

I'll give him credit for stirring the pot, but the soup he's making is starting to take on a rather fishy odour.

HG

[AnIndependentTexan]

25. sadly this is the only way we can find out if we can trust him or not

in a way we are proving that we aren't trying to create a conspiracy. By knowing more we understand better about what is going on. I don't trust Jeff Fish, but I'm interested in seeing for myself what is real or not. I will not claim he is right in this. We've found some good and bad information.

[Wiley50]

26. Man! It's a brawl over at BBV now!

I regret that I'm too clueless to know what is going on. But it is sure hot and heavy.

Wiley

[Roger_Otip]

37. i'm getting out of it

at the moment it seems like all we know is that some company called cybernet had its offices in grand rapids michigan raided by the FBI. i started investigating it because someone on here said it had something to do with jeff fisher/ diebold/ the election but i've not seen anyone yet produce any convincing evidence and would like to know why we were asked to investigate cybernet in the first place. do people on here or on BBV know things that they can't tell us?

[harmonyguy]

59. Looks like we all had enough at the same time.

I too, am out.
HG

[Wiley50]

64. I've tried to be a Fair Witness

taking it all in and trying to grok it all.
But I kinda get the feeling we've been dealing with a planted instigator, trying to turn a peace march into a riot, as it were. I remember seeing a few of that sort back in the day.
He's been throwing out links almost faster than this old clunker I'm using could load them. Definately faster than a reasonable mind could analyze and absorb them.
I'm beginning to see who some of the wiser minds are around here ( and there )
Thanks for the catherding job you've been doing.

Wiley

[BlueDog2u]

32. I tend to agree

Auditor has a very sloppy record. Its nice to be spurred on, but you can't really trust most of what he says.

[Carl Brennan]

22. Got a link!!

thanks.

[Name removed]

67. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Wiley50]

19. I mean

I read Spacecowboy's scathing critique this morning (and I know you did too Bluedog) But auditor seems to be responding to it now.
I'm not knowledgeable enough of these things to know who's right.
Would one of you see if what he's saying holds water.
And, perhaps, maybe you already have and I missed it

Wiley

[BlueDog2u]

34. Haven't read the response....will get to it when I can.

[lilpnut]

20. Cybernet is being investigated for FINANCIAL fraud NOT electoral fraud....

They claimed that they had more servers than they actually do in order to get more money NOTHING to do with the election.

[BlueDog2u]

35. I think most of us already understand what that the public face

of the investigation has nothing to do with vote fraud. But, as they say, where there is smoke, there's fire....

[HeeBGBz]

23. A disgruntled Accenture person

I haven't read all of this thread yet but thought I would post it because I'm not sure what you are looking for. I've not read the replies yet either, but some of this looks like potential.

From Vault.com's Accenture forum:

http://www.vault.com/community/mb/mb_main.jsp?product_id=317&ch_id=252&forumtype=0

I'm just a goober though, so don't take my word for it. I want to help in this wondrous thing.

[Blue in the face]

29. I haven't found any direct links

I did find a page in Italian that had Cybernet and Burson-Marseller listed in consecutive paragraphs. But I don't know what this says, and it probably means nothing.:

"Nella pianificazione delle operazioni di marketing è però necessario fare un’importante distinzione, come suggerisce Diego Lifonti, managing director di Burson-Marsteller: « Se si tratta di business to consumer l’esigenza primaria è quella di creare un brand forte, focalizzando il target e investendo adeguatamente in pubblicità e pubbliche relazioni. Nel caso di business to business conta molto di più il peso e la serietà dell’azienda. Nel caso di start up – dice Lifonti – con un investimento di 60-100 milioni all’anno si può impostare un efficiente ufficio stampa corporate e rimandare la più costosa pubblicità nel momento in cui entra in gioco il venture capitalist ».

Nel mercato business è impegnata CyberNet Italia con l’offerta di soluzioni innovative per la telecomunicazione integrata per le aziende di tutte le dimensioni: infrastruttura di rete privata, accesso ad Internet, politica di sicurezza della rete, gestione dei processi commerciali elettronici e servizi di telefonia integrata. « Stampa nazionale, azioni di marketing diretto, eventi aziendali, sponsorizzazioni e operazioni di co-branding sono state le leve selezionate per la promozione del nostro marchio – dice Roberto Loro, responsabile marketing CyberNet -. Per fare qualche esempio, da un anno siamo sponsor in Italia della gestione tecnologica di Unimondo che raccoglie e manda in rete progetti e materiale sui diritti dell’uomo. Il costo dell’operazione, gestita in Gran Bretagna da British Telecom, - dice Loro – va da 100 a 200 milioni l’anno ». "

http://www.9netweb.it/contact/articoli/articolo.asp?id=19

[Blue in the face]

42. Another link- this time in English

Here's a link between Bush's plan to provide online voting for the military and Accenture. The site also links Halliburton and Microsoft to Accenture. (isn't part of Diebold's failings their reliance on Microsoft's Windows XP, a very hackable program?) http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/072103Landes/072103landes.html

"Accenture is big. It has more than 75,000 employees in 47 countries, and generated net revenues of $11.6 billion for the fiscal year ended Aug. 31, 2002. On their board of directors is Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO and known to many as Bad Boy Ballmer for his ruthless, if not illegal, business practices. Microsoft has been sued by the federal government and several states for monopolistic business practices which were designed to destroy their competition. Massachusetts’s Attorney General is still pursuing Microsoft. In March 13, 2000 Andersen Consulting (now Accenture) and Microsoft signed a "$1 Billion Pact To Form Joint Venture and Expand Global Alliance." What's the alliance? To control voting systems around the world?...

...Then there’s the Accenture connection to Halliburton, Vice President Dick Cheney’s former employer. Halliburton is widely criticized for doing business with brutal regimes and was the subject of an SEC investigation and several lawsuits surrounding their accounting practices during and after Cheney’s tenure at the helm. The Polaris Institute says that in July 2000 David Lesar succeeded Dick Cheney as chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company. Before joining Halliburton, Lesar was employed by Arthur Andersen, Accenture's former parent company. Polaris says, " . . . while defending Halliburton's accounting practices, David Lesar publicly acknowledged that Cheney knew about the firm's accounting practices . . .”

In an October 2001 press release, Halliburton and Accenture announced a major expansion of their longstanding relationship with the signing of an alliance between Accenture and Landmark Graphics Corporation, a wholly owned business unit of Halliburton.

And unlike the words of the U.S. military's anthem, "I'm proud to be an American,” Accenture owes its allegiance to "partners" outside the USA.

[bunny planet]

40. Isn't Accenture the company that got some government contract last year to

put up a computerized 'security' fence around the borders of the US or some such shit. Kind of like one of those invisible fences people get to keep their dogs from running off of their properties, it gives them a shock or something if they try. I really seem to remember reading something about this,and also that people were mocking the hell out of Bush's new homeland security plan. Sorry if this is off-topic or mentioned somewhere else in this thread. I confess I just saw the topic, scrolled down and then posted without reading most of what else is here. Just a thought when I saw the name Accenture.

[BlueDog2u]

43. Yes Bunny Planet

That's them. A $10b contract.

[HeeBGBz]

44. Do you mean this? Plus a Halliburton connection.

Database on U.S. Visitors Set for Huge Expansion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7961-2004Jun1.html

"The Department of Homeland Security yesterday awarded a contract worth up to $10 billion to Accenture LLP to oversee and expand a massive U.S. program to track millions of foreign visitors as they cross American borders."

Found this comment interesting:

"Some critics complained that Reston-based Accenture LLP should not have won the contract over its competitors, Lockheed Martin Corp. and Computer Sciences Corp., because its parent, the consulting firm Accenture Ltd., is based in Bermuda. "Accenture isn't contributing its fair share to the costs of the very contract that it's now been given," because of the tax advantages it receives, said Rep. Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat who has authored a bill to eliminate incentives for American companies that move their headquarters abroad."

This article links Accenture and Halliburton.

"Accenture's team comprises 29 subcontractors, including AT&T Corp., Dell Inc. and KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton Co."

[BlueDog2u]

45. KBR

That's Kellogg, Brown and Root! Holy shit. This is one big fucking scam on the back of taxpayers.

[Blue in the face]

46. Direct link to Bush's campaign finances

Looking up Andersen Consulting, Accenture's old name, brings up a lot of links left over from the Enron Scandal. The campaign finance links are already well-established.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/01/011602_Bush_Pioneers.html

"
Bush Pioneers, Andersen Consulting, and Enron

January 16, 2002

Dear BuzzFlash,

Your recent articles got me thinking about this and I just wanted to pass this along for your research and review.

D. Stephen Goddard, managing partner of Arthur Andersen's Houston Office (who was fired today as a result of Enron's audits and destroyed documents http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/15/business/15CND-ENRON.html) is a Bush "pioneer" who raised over $100,000 for the 2000 campaign:

D. Stephen Goddard, Jr., Bush Pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/d_goddard.html

And three members of Venson & Elkins- Enron's law firm that Ken Lay asked them to investigated the charges of Sharron Watkins" August letter-were also Bush Pioneers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/15/business/15ENRO.html

They are:

Joe B. Allen, Bush Pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/joe_allen.html

Thomas P. Marinis Jr., Bush Pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/thomas_marinis.html

Robert H. Whilden, Jr., Bush Pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/robert_whilden.html

And of course so was Ken Lay of Enron:

Ken Lay, Bush Pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/kenneth_lay.html

Maybe Mr. Bush did not faint over a pretzel...

* * *

Contributed by BuzzFlash Reader Dennis F. Greenia"

[BlueDog2u]

51. Right

History starts to get relevant here.

[bunny planet]

61. Yea, this is probably the same contract I was talking about but the

article I read was earlier, and it mentioned a security fence, to keep people out or in. It was mentioned that it was comparable to the invisible shock-the-doggie fence.

[HeeBGBz]

62. As opposed to fingerprinting and tracking chips

They are suppose to start doing this after December 31st?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

47. Can I change the subject back to Piotr Blass and BayPoint?

Has this already been found?
Dr. Piotr Blass
2003- Professor of Computer Mathematics at Baypoint Schools in South Florida.

Implementing state of the art school for teenagers at risk. Presiding over Ettinger University for staff development. The School of sponsored by the Governor of Florida as one of the best in the country.


Ummmmmmm, MIGHT Dr Blass been the one (or one of them) teaching the kids how to hack computers?!

[AnIndependentTexan]

48. I'm not trying to jump to anything

Keep everything rational is the reason why we aren't trying to look at everything as a whole. We are focusing on one thing. This isn't about creating a conspiracy. It is just about investigating into small items. We need to keep rational and be safe on everything.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

54. I don't think you are trying to jump to anything!

I think we are on the same page. It is hard to know what is rational vs non-rational, true or false, good lead or bad, etc. with all we are facing.

[Blue in the face]

63. Sorry

I keep getting off on a tangent. This isn't about Bush and Accenture. It's Cybernet and Accenture. Guess I've had too many cocktails while watching football today, lol...

[BlueDog2u]

49. Sounds like he was in the right place at the right time....

If Fisher's story has any merit to it.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

52. But did Fisher say Blass taught computer mathematics at Bay Point?

I just wonder if this is why Blass won't sing... Maybe he had a more sinister involvement in it himself?

"Dr. Blass obtained this information when he was on the staff at Bay Point School," Fisher stated. ... "I was told the school is a suspected training ground in computer science and programming for juvenile delinquents who manipulate electronic voting, without a true audit trail."

[BlueDog2u]

55. Possible...

Fisher says that Blass is witholding information to protect Klock, who helped him get his son out of the school. It looks like a tangled web, indeed.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

58. Yeah, because it is rather hard to believe that while Blass was teaching

computer math, all this hacking training was going on without his direct knowledge! Blass made it sound (at least from what Fisher said) as if KLOCK told him this was all going on...

[Carolab]

68. CyberNet Group and the raid: wire mail fraud & bank fraud?

http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/cyb111904.cfm

CyberNet Group Offices Raided
November 19, 2004 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- According to reports, the offices of Web hosting provider The CyberNet Group (cybernet-usa.com) were raided this past Wednesday by agents of five different federal agencies, including the FBI and IRS.

The raid took place at The CyberNet Group’s offices located at 25 South Division Avenue in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Federal agents reportedly seized computers and other equipment and were back on the premises Thursday.

The reason for the raid is unclear. However, sources say the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud.

According to one report, a lawsuit against The CyberNet Group was filed in Kent County Court on Thursday, charging the company with fraud and breach of contract. The suit alleges that The CyberNet Group’s founder and chairman Barton Watson and chief operating officer James Horton are operating a fake company, based in Delaware, to funnel money.

According to another report, Watson was convicted of fraud in the early 1980s. The company also previously made an out of court settlement with Hastings Public Schools after a former employee blew the whistle on improper computer sales The CyberNet Group made to Hastings Public Schools.

Lawyers for Watson and Horton have declined comment.

Employees of The CyberNet Group, sent home on Wednesday, were reportedly back at work on Friday morning.

[Horse with no Name]

69. Accenture chose company to oversee absentee ballots for DOD

http://www.thewhir.com/marketwatch/ver092903.cfm

U.S. Dept. of Defense Taps VeriSign for MPKI

September 29, 2003 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- VeriSign (verisign.com) announced today it has been selected to provide hosting, security consulting, authentication services and Managed Public Key Infrastructure (MPKI) services for the U.S. Department of Defense’s Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), a system that will allow overseas citizens to cast absentee ballots in the 2004 election.

The decision to outsource VeriSign was made in consultation with Accenture. "Accenture chose VeriSign for the SERVE project because of the company's experience and success securing other digital government systems and applications," said Meg T. McLaughlin, chief executive of Accenture eDemocracy Services.

[Horse with no Name]

70. Maybe we need to add VeriSign to list of companies to investigate? eom

[Horse with no Name]

73. Verisign strong Republican soft money supporter

Is it me or does it just seem strange that ANOTHER strong Republican company is in charge of votes?


http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softcomp2.asp?txtName=VeriSign+Inc&txtUltOrg=y&txtSort=name&txtCycle=2002

VeriSign Inc
SOFT MONEY DONATIONS: 2001-2002
(2000 DATA)
NOTE: The donations listed may be made by individuals associated with the organization as well as by the organizationitself.


To Democrats: $40,250 (32%)
To Republicans: $83,750 (68%)
Total: $124,000

http://www.edonation.com/edonationcontents/clients/

Political Action Committees

CPAC
Verisign PAC
Log Cabin Republicans
Virginians for Death Tax Repeal
Vision PAC
GIPAC
Stop Hillary PAC
Casinos No! (ME)
Rescue California (Darrell Issa)
Grow PAC (Rep. JC Watts)
National Defense PAC
Conservative Victory Fund
Straight Talk America
The Majority Leader's Fund
Patriot PAC

[Carolab]

74. Cybernet raid update: Wire mail fraud and bank fraud!

CyberNet Group Offices Raided
November 19, 2004 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- According to reports, the offices of Web hosting provider The CyberNet Group (cybernet-usa.com) were raided this past Wednesday by agents of five different federal agencies, including the FBI and IRS.

The raid took place at The CyberNet Group’s offices located at 25 South Division Avenue in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Federal agents reportedly seized computers and other equipment and were back on the premises Thursday.

The reason for the raid is unclear. However, sources say the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud.

According to one report, a lawsuit against The CyberNet Group was filed in Kent County Court on Thursday, charging the company with fraud and breach of contract. The suit alleges that The CyberNet Group’s founder and chairman Barton Watson and chief operating officer James Horton are operating a fake company, based in Delaware, to funnel money.

According to another report, Watson was convicted of fraud in the early 1980s. The company also previously made an out of court settlement with Hastings Public Schools after a former employee blew the whistle on improper computer sales The CyberNet Group made to Hastings Public Schools.

Lawyers for Watson and Horton have declined comment.

Employees of The CyberNet Group, sent home on Wednesday, were reportedly back at work on Friday morning.

[BUSHOUT]

78. What exactly do you think you're on to here?

You want people to research these two things (niether of which I must confess I even am aware of, so wouldn't know where to start)
yet you don't even provide an inkling of what you're talking about.

Instead of posting multiple threads accusing people here of being freepers and asking why you're being "targetted", why not explain yourself better?

It's no wonder some posters might think this is a wild goose chase, it looks like one. The first goose I'd have to chase is find out WTF you're on about!

[AnIndependentTexan]

81. 75. Ironically since there is only two forums I post at and that isn't it

That was the reason why I posted that information. The reason why I posted two different threads about it is because one person was claiming something that I am. I also am willing to provide any person information to Skinner if he wants me to. The only one I'll give my personal information too is Skinner if it comes up. The only reason why I posted about investigating this is also because post number 75 explains it as well.

I have been trying to keep it without jumping to anything and just looking into it rational. I don't care who Jeff Fisher is on this or what other stuff was happening. I wanted it to be investigated separately. Because I've already learned one of the problems of jumping to conclusion is that it gives reason to believe conspiracy theory. I also just wanted to know for myself what was true and what wasn't. That is why I didn't post anything that said for sure. It is more of to see what other Du'ers thought. I wanted to hear both sides, but I didn't think I would personally be attacked for asking a question.

[Bozos for Bush]

85. Hey Indy, perhaps you have problems following threads

If you are discussing my freeper alert, you need to look at the thread carefully and see who the post was made to. It was not made to you.

Anyone who comes on here and tries to talk up Auditors' thread at BBV is clearly either an idiot or a freeper. My post was pointing out the obvious, to a person who was talking it up.

John

[AnIndependentTexan]

88. actually geo post was

a person with 9 post.

[BUSHOUT]

90. Maybe update your original post to explain it there?

You don't expect people to click through to post 75 to figure it out?

[AnIndependentTexan]

94. the orginal post though was from a question another Du'er asked

in another thread. All that started off with was that question.

[Carolab]

80. Disgruntled Cybernet employee tells of bogus government deals

I don't know what this means, exactly, but I found a post on a forum by a disgruntled employee of Cybernet. He said that the company was running "bullshit" contracts with the government--

"After the layoffs, several people were still employed that most everyone believed were completely useless. However, these select few were the friends of Charles Cohen (the head of R&D) or some other higher up. At least one of them is still working there today, Patrick Lewis. Charles gets his way, because he makes the most money for Cybernet in the way of contracts with the United States governemnt under the Small Business Innovation Research program. Where the U.S. allows small businesses to bullshit their way into getting research contracts paid for by the tax payers. It seems that Cybernet Systems is one of the best at winning these contracts, for things where no person working there actually has any knowledge of the subject, but is willing to give it a try."

He mentions several principals--Charles Cohen, Patrick Lewis and Chuck Jacobus. I looked all three of them up. Chuck Jacobus used to be with Veridian, which in 2003 was purchased by General Dynamics--a BIG defense contractor.

Here is the post: www.netmaxsucks.com/mystory.html

[JohnnyCougar]

82. Accenture hired by Wisconsin to manage voting lists!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x3687

[MI Cherie]

83. CyberNET local link:

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2591580&nav=0RcdTLbg

[Carolab]

95. Typical RETHUG

Barton Watson was not around during the raid, not in his office, or not at his million dollar home in Ada. He served time in prison in 1994 after a federal judge sentenced him to one to three years for fraud.

According to court documents obtained by 24 Hour News 8, at the time of that sentencing Watson told the judge, “I suffer from a great deal of concern about how I got from A to Z. I have a lot of regret about what happened, not just because I stole a great deal of money from a number of people, but particularly in that I abused their trust and their friendship.”

Later, he said, “I'm still only 26, moving on to 27-years-old, and I'd like a chance to live life, and forever I will have this felony hanging over my head.”

After prison, Watson went on and found The CyberNET Group, an international Internet company. Since the federal raid and subsequent news reports, 24 Hour News 8 has been flooded with e-mails and calls from former employees, alleging years of misconduct.

************

Oh no........I'm SO SORRY, and I'll NEVER do it again--HONEST!!!

Throw the scumbag in jail and toss the key!!!

[w4rma]

89. Maybe Cybernet was raided because they are in competition with Accenture.

And Accenture is a Repug inner circle corporation.

[Bozos for Bush]

97. THERE IS NO CONNECTION!

There is no relationship that I can find between Accenture and CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids.

1. CyberNET GROUP is the same thing as Cyberco Holdings and Stryon, formerly Halcyon. When you search on Cybernet and Accenture, a few things come up, but only because both are in the computer business - there is no evidence I can find of any relationship between the two.

2. CyberNET Group IS NOT Cybernet Software, IS NOT Cybernet Systems, IS NOT Cybernet Services, and IS NOT Cybernet Ventures.

There is no coherant link between any of these other Cyber companies. The original poster at BBV named Auditors has sent people on a wild goose chase, posting statements as fact just because they all share the same word. He has been exposed over there, and should be shut down soon.

John

[BlueDog2u]

98. However,

What has been discovered on this thread about Accenture is, I believe, quite interesting and relevant to the future of electoral processes not only in the US but the world. I agree entirely that from what I observed, Auditors is not a reliable researcher. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, please.

[Bozos for Bush]

99. Yes, Accenture has some smoke, but CyberNET group is a goosechase

BlueDog, I have to get to work soon, but I suggest someone start a new thread on Accenture, and try to keep CyberNET Group out of it.

[GingerSnaps]

101. I put some links together for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=69719#70347

:grouphug: