CyberNET Group and Accenture - NO CONNECTION!

[Bozos for Bush]

Allow me to clear up this Cyber confusion once and for all.

1. CyberNET Group has nothing to do with Accenture. CyberNET Group IS NOT the same as Cybernet Software, Cybernet Systems, Cybernet Services, or Cybernet Ventures.

2. CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids was raided because of fraud, which had nothing to do with the election.

3. CyberNET Group is also known as Cyberco Holdings, and Stryon, Inc.

4. Stryon, Inc. is the software and web services arm of CyberNET Group, and was formed when Halcyon merged with a smaller Stryon.

Here are the links to prove each assertion:

1. CyberNET Group website: http://www.cybernet-usa.com/

2. CyberNET Group 2nd website: http://www.cybernetgroup.com/

3. Cybernet Software: http://www.cybernetsoft.com/

4. Cybernet Systems: http://www.cybernet.com/

5. Cybernet Services: http://www.cybernetservices.com/

6. Cybernet Ventures: http://www.cybernetventures.com/

7. Reason for CyberNET Group raid - "Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud."

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2578803&nav=0RceTEfz

8. Stryon: http://www.stryon.com/

9. Halcyon merger: http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1G1:88994006&refid=ink_puballtnews&skeyword=&teaser=

10. Accenture: http://www.accenture.com/xd/xd.asp?it=enweb&xd=index.xml

Bottom line - all this CyberNET - Accenture - Cybernet Venture - Jeb Bush stuff has been an intentional diversion.

ANYONE POSTING A NEW THREAD ON THIS SUBJECT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED UNRELIABLE here at DU.

John

[BlueDog2u]

1. Dear John

Thanks for entirely shutting down a potentially important discussion regarding the covert history of Accenture's involvement in voting technologies, its corrupt relationship with the Bush administration, its administration of the Florida Felons list in 2004 to the tune of $20, and I'm sure the list goes on and on. I, for one, will no longer post at DU if this is the way the community treats honest attempts at research. Why the pre-emptive character attack on anyone who is not persuaded that the above facts are irrelevant to discussions of vote fraud? Your points are well taken, but your manner is abusive.

[Bozos for Bush]

2. Dear Bluedog

I have not shut down Accenture's possible involvement in election fraud, so your claim is absurd.

What I have done is shut down CyberNET Group's raid, and talk of its connection to Accenture.

I firmly believe there is fraud - however, I am puzzled by why you have stated something that is clearly incorrect. And ABUSIVE is what people are when they put out false claims, or make people follow a wild goosechase, such as Auditors at BBV.

Please continue to investigate Accenture and other aspects of this story, and I sincerely hope we have fire to go along with the smoke uncovered so far.

John

[BlueDog2u]

5. Thank you for clarifying your position,

and for taking an active role to correct and eliminate false trails of inquiry. My confidence is restored.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

3. Why the hostility?

Bluedog has said it all, but I have a few questions for you:

# 1. CyberNET Group has nothing to do with Accenture. Where is your proof?

#s 2 and 7: CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids was raided because of fraud, which had nothing to do with the election......Reason for CyberNET Group raid - "Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud."
and you are certain this was the only reason they were raided? we all know how open and honest the MSM has been

#s 3 and 4: CyberNET Group is also known as Cyberco Holdings, and Stryon, Inc....Stryon, Inc. is the software and web services arm of CyberNET Group, and was formed when Halcyon merged with a smaller Stryon.
We have already determined that. Did you get that info from one of our threads, or from your own research?

[Name removed]

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[BlueDog2u]

6. Eowyn's game is to do honest research

without leaping to conclusions, positive or negative. She's right to question how the alleged link can be disproven by googling or whatever other methods are easily available to us. What is correct is that the link is unproven and may not exist. That is all anyone can claim.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

8. Are you misleading people?

Trying to divert them from something that might prove to be something important?

The length of my membership has nothing to do with my social and political stance, so your implications in that department mean nothing to me.


"Not even God can find a link between CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids, and Accenture. Post one if you think it exists!"
I think you are going off the deep end re the first statement, and WHAT DO YOU THINK WE ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT? applies to the 2nd

[Bozos for Bush]

9. And you avoided my questions

Are you hostile to people who send others on a wild goosechase, or lie or mislead them?

What you are doing here is not serious investigation. Any attempt to link CyberNET Group in this discussion is an attempt to confuse others with the different Cybernet companies. If you are legit, you would agree with this - and stick to serious research.

AND THIS IS SERIOUS RESEARCH:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1146495

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2500661

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1146495

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1093320

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139

[eowyn_of_rohan]

12. I have no reason to be hostile to people who seem to be working for a ...

common cause. I am open minded about these topics you have such problems with, and have a pretty good s#!& detector, therefore a good measure of skepticism, but my internal alarm hasn't gone off to the degree yours has, so I will continue researching.

I agree much of this " investigation" we have been doing has led to junk science, so to speak. But as an experienced genealogist, I know the "clue gathering phase" (which is what we are in) leads to an abundance of material, and that some proves to be relevant and some irrelevant during the sifting and winnowing phase (which we are moving into).

Why don't you stop insulting the rest of us who think there may be value in what we are doing? Who are you to dictate to everyone else what is important and serious and what is not?

[Bozos for Bush]

15. Who am I? A person who has every right to discredit those...

who continue to perpetrate this crap.

Your anger should also be directed towards those who keep spinning this story. Instead, you choose to shoot a messenger who has helped expose this crap for what it is.

Why is that?

Why don't you get busy and engage in real research, like in those threads I posted?

Why instead do you merely keep this going and going?

Repeat after me - CYBERNET GROUP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CYBERNET SYSTEMS, OR CYBERNET SOFTWARE, OR CYBERNET VENTURES, OR CYBERNET SERVICES. NO ONE HAS FOUND ANY LINK BETWEEN CYBERNET GROUP AND JEB BUSH. NO ONE HAS FOUND ANY LINK BETWEEN CYBERNET GROUP AND ACCENTURE.

I have every right to shut you people down, if all you intend to do is come to CU and cause mass confusion. None of you were involved in this site prior to the election - now all of you show up as if freepers decided to have fun in the aftermath of the election, and sow dissent and chaos.

I will continue to call you out on it, and take appropriate measures.

John

[Carl Brennan]

19. Yer way off base here Bozo. I think you are trying to blow your own

trumpet. Your rude and condescending attitude says it all here:

Repeat after me - CYBERNET GROUP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CYBERNET SYSTEMS, OR CYBERNET SOFTWARE, OR CYBERNET VENTURES, OR CYBERNET SERVICES. NO ONE HAS FOUND ANY LINK BETWEEN CYBERNET GROUP AND JEB BUSH. NO ONE HAS FOUND ANY LINK BETWEEN CYBERNET GROUP AND ACCENTURE.

[Bozos for Bush]

23. No Carl, you are out of line - you posted a misleading thread

Carl, it was you who posted a misleading thread, mixing together the different Cybernets, and then going off on a tangent that was completely untrue.

Have you asked to have your thread shut down?

Have you posted a disclaimer, stating that your initial post contained errors?

[geo]

27. Woah!!

Hi all,

I've been in those threads with John, and let me tell you... the posts that involved this information seriously lacked cohesiveness. We even have someone over at BBV ranting about it to, with all the same links to non-sensical data, all the same non-sensical interpretation, and anytime you ask these posters for clarification you get another red-herring of a link. I was with John on this and can attest to just how much it seemed like we were getting spun in circles.

Good homework is good homework, and anything short of that does us all a diservice. If it is speculation, it should be labeled as such. It's good to get data out there in a timely fashion, but we should be clear on the relevency, credibility and overall coheseiveness of the claims we make in our posts. This way, it saves people from being spun in circles, and keeps us from getting labeled the "tin-foil cap" crowd.

Once again, I can completely attest to John's good intent based on the series of posts I've seen on this topic in various threads here and at BBV. Also, you can probably see from my posts that I am very proactive, balanced and fact driven in my posts.

I hope this helped diffuse this a little. Now go back to fighting the creeps who messed with our vote already!!

- Ohio talking points
- New Mexico results and analysis
- and much, much more....

Other threads are eagerly begging for your quality posts!! ;)

Warmly,

George

[Bozos for Bush]

38. George, thanks for the kind words (n/t)

[BlueDog2u]

25. The phases of research....

I wrote a PhD dissertation a very controversial topic in the humanities (literary studies). My dissertation was cited in the New York Times, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Washington Post, and many other papers. I followed dozens of false trails to get to my quarry.

As Eowyn rightly says,

"the "clue gathering phase" (which is what we are in) leads to an abundance of material, and that some proves to be relevant and some irrelevant during the sifting and winnowing phase (which we are moving into)."

[kk897]

45. BlueDog/phases of research

This is a topic that interests me... what are the phases of research, do you think?

Also, I posted this elsewhere but you'd probably know about this academic who researched the Voynich manuscript using a kind of revolutionary technique to discover that it was a hoax manuscript (albeit a medieval hoax). It pulled from a broad spectrum of knowledge bases. Does this ring a bell with you? I can't think of what he called his technique (or his name or anything else for that matter!).

If you don't know offhand, I'll do some poking around (and add it to my long list of things to research... sigh).

[BlueDog2u]

47. Well, I think Eowyn's categories work for me...

"as an experienced genealogist, I know the "clue gathering phase" (which is what we are in) leads to an abundance of material, and that some proves to be relevant and some irrelevant during the sifting and winnowing phase (which we are moving into)."

First you gather. When you gather, esp. with the linguistic serendipities of google, you'll go barking up a lot of trees with no fruit on them. But as you gather, you also begin to winnow. You test your guesses, play devil's advocate to them, listen to critics when they are credible, be your own critic, and lo and behold you are in the "winnowing" phase and you winnow and whittle (all the while continuing to collect) and perhaps you end up with something viable, perhaps not. In this case, the jury's still out on whether the Cybernet Dog can hunt.

Bozo is right that there's no clearly established connection between Cyernet Group and anything in Florida, Piotr Blass or anyone or anything else. He's also right that there's been a lot of confusion about to what extent any of the various Cyberxxxx companies are related to one another. We don't know, and the supposition that one or another company is related to another just because of the similarity in name is perilous. And some of the researchers have done a piss poor job of checking their own facts...On the other hand, Bozo has been a moron more than once. Figure it out for yourself. I won't use the "F" word for anyone who has contributed valuable information. But frankly, I'm also a little tired of the sanctimonious put downs and loud cries to "shut down this thread." Those do not sound like the methods of a person who sincerely wants to know the answers.

[Bozos for Bush]

48. LOL

Well thank you for getting on your soapbox and finally taking a stand against this garbage.

[kk897]

49. BlueDog/phases of research

Hi BlueDog: Oops, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant you wrote your dissertation on phases of research, but I went back to your post and saw what you *actually* said. I still think it's an interesting subject, though...

And agree that someone complaining about time wasted on frivolous research (or misleading or whatever) shouldn't waste so much time worrying about what other people are researching.

If we keep in mind, always always always, "caveat lector" and use our critical thinking skills, we'll figure out for ourselves what is misleading or unfruitful. Frivolity is in the eye of the beholder, of course.

[BlueDog2u]

50. Agreed

Caeveat lector.

If Bev Harris can find the smoking gun in a pile of trash, then someone else just might find stinking proof in one of Activism's posts, or even in the post of someone who keeps screaming "Shut them down" every chance he gets. B-) In my own field, I found that a critical piece of evidence in a four hundred year old piece of political chicanery happened to be preserved in a library dedicated to denying the provocative conclusion which that evidence supports. They would have taken it offline if they could, or burned it if they could. But it happened to be a very valuable artifact, even before the evidence spoke to me, and so they were caught in a world historic irony. Have they figured it out? Hell no. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[kk897]

51. Wow, as a former academic (medieval lit),

you've got me intrigued. What was the document? The controversy? (If you don't mind sharing, or you can PM me... or not... I'm just curious).

[BlueDog2u]

52. Try going here.

http://www.shakespearefellowship.org

[kk897]

53. iiiiiinteresting...

I'll explore further, when I'm not working on smashing the imperialist state!

[BlueDog2u]

54. Sure

its related, believe me....gives you a deep historical view of the way perceptions can be manipulated by governments. "Shakespeare" is on the side of the truthspeakers. He knew what it was like to be on the inside of a massive lie....

[GingerSnaps]

22. We are all trying to help

Every little bit helps provide someone else with a topic ;)

[MominTN]

7. Fraud

When looking for people who commit fraud, why not investigate those who are already being investigated for fraud? You don't make any sense trying to negate discussion on CyberNet. They have the technology, locations, and people. Credit card fraud and identity theft is alot more sophisticated criminal activity than manipulating these simple voting machines.
When you look at the big picture, one can easily suspect CyberNet. They are a company who says they are hq in US but they are from Canada. They have a location in Las Vegas for the gaming industry. People were betting on the election. Kerry is ahead in all the last week before the election polls. Then after midnight suddenly the exit polls change and the election poll data is unavailable. Bush wins by a margin of the popular vote which doesn't make any sense. Then CyberNet Group completes their buyout of an outsourcing company in the Phillipines that rivals any data center here in the US...big $$$$. But guess what...they don't include CyberNet in the name of the new company....wonder why? Well they are moving to Asia, while the FBI investigates them here.
I think you are the one people should be leary of believing.

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[pointsoflight]

10. If you're being honest...

...then the ONLY thing you can say is that YOU have found no connection between those entities. There may not be one, but what harm is there in looking?

Would you be ok with someone telling you to "shut down" an issue you're looking at because that person has concluded it is not important?

[MominTN]

14. What's in a name

Your name says it all.

[Bozos for Bush]

16. My tagline says it all

Try reading!

On edit - sorry, here's my tagline, since we are in Alert 1 and they don't post:

He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. His brain is fried from coke and alcohol. If he was Pinocchio, his nose would reach to the edge of the universe. Deserted the Guard during wartime, bankrupted his own companies, and can't even spell Iraq let alone find it on a map. Halliburton, Enron, no WMDs, greatest job loss since Hoover, crime up, assault weapons back on the streets, tax cuts for the rich so they can trickle a few pennies down to the poor, Iraq is a mess, fewer and fewer allies, Iran nukes, North Korea too, No Rich Child Left Behind, Just Say No to Kee-Oh-Tow, a half a trillion dollar deficit in just one year, Moonie influence, anxious to start Armageddon, and Where's Osama - and this guy just won (barf!) four more years? We clowns used to think he was hilarious, but now we just cry over the death of our America. WE WILL NEVER LAUGH AGAIN.

[Woo]

17. :::YAWN:::

I think everyone should take a nap -- I did :) -- missed the entire CyberNET -- Accenture exchange(which looks to be a good thing)

Yep, naps are good --

[luaptifer]

18. Bozos for Bush, et al.

i think bozos for bush is attempting to do a service to the community in forcing those who continue to push the leap of faith 'link' Auditors has sustained on BBV forum to put up or shut up. i only jumped in last night there because 1) i'm interested in the topic and 2) i wasted alot of time trying to figure out what auditors was saying as had several others.

so having provided no clear link, a bunch of time was wasted that could be better spent OR Auditors could agree to NOT make flatout accusations/unqualified statements until able to provide the clear link. instead there was much waste. to the contrary, several had to discount the leap of faith.

it may be that THERE IS a hidden link somewhere but auditors hadn't made it even remotely clear. let auditors et al. provide it without spinning others into oblivion.

thx bozoz!

[MominTN]

20. Voter registration

Do you not see the similarity between identity theft and voter registration theft? Crime against America! Where is Homeland Security on this? Just because we can't find a link on the internet doesn't mean CyberNet isn't involved. I think someone would have to look at their involvement with the casinos and the people there.

[Woo]

21. I don't think...

You're going to find a link -- from what i've gotten from all of this -- someone was connecting Blass to CyberNET just because he went to school/worked in Michigan at one time -- I still haven't figured out the connection between CyberNET and Sembler...

I think this is a case of unfortunate timing for the FBI raid -- A good question one might ask is how many raids does the FBI conduct a week...and out of those how many of those are computer related?-- I'm not saying there is no connection -- people who continue to look might very well find something -- as it stands now and I think we've been on this topic since last Thursday with some heavy searchin -- all connections with CyberNET and the Fisher story are tenuous.

As for Accenture -- I know they're up to no good, whether it's involved in fraud in our election or not -- you can see what they're up to just by the company they keep.

[tex-wyo-dem]

24. Speaking of Accenture...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041123/ap_on_re_us/florida_felons_voting_4

[eowyn_of_rohan]

26. This is a great find. I see Wisconsin just accepted a proposal

from Accenture to do voting lists there. I hope someone stops this from happening. I'd like to know how many states have fallen for the Help America Vote Act (NAVA) sham... WOnder how Florida got out of the contract with the,

[BlueDog2u]

29. Right....

The path may have been a winding one, and some of the signposts pointing in the wrong direction (we don't know, and bozos is right to question and challenge, although I think his righteous indignation is thoroughly misdirected against Eowyn)...but, Accenture is a very interesting place to land. It could not be clearer that Accenture is worth more thorough investigation.

And I would also say that Cybernet Group is a lead to continue watching, for the reasons mentioned here in this thread by others. No, the direct connection with Blass and the Bay Point School isn't there. Yes, the raid is for financial fraud, not vote fraud. Yes, Auditor was being a jerk, sending people running around in circles by posting wild claims which weren't substantiated by his sources.

But after all is said and done, please, people, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Corporate crooks are usually running multiple schemes....

[indigonation]

28. Another Possible Cybernet Connection

Since this is my first post on DU, I hate to be considered unreliable by the the rest of you, other than the "bozos for bush". However, I've been following the BBV and voter fraud stories closely on this and other blogs.

I live fairly close to CyberNet headquarters and happen to know a little something about the local community. I also work in IT and know that although a fairly good company, the owner is a complete slime ball. They have been sued several times for fraud, so don't put anything past this guy if the GOP, were to say, provide some sort of financial incentive.

There is another connection to be considered, one that you may not have seen elsewhere. As they say, politics is local. But what I present is completely circumstantial and please draw your own conclusions. I present only the information at hand for your consideration.

This original posting at BBV was intriguing, and many have seen it: Bay Point Schools, Cal Tech, and the CyberNET connection

Here is a new story regarding the FBI investigation from today's news:
CyberNET employees ... no more paychecks ...

The article gives more information about bank, wire, and email fraud, again, no mention of election fraud, but don't forget that the FBI has all of their financial and electronic documents at hand, if anything is there for discovery, it will be.

What you may not have noticed are the names of their biggest customers in town. This includes the VanAndel arena, and the DeVos Place. Now these names are very well known in Grand Rapids, as DeVos and VanAndel are the entreprenuers behind the Amway Corporation. They both are in the richest 300 Americans. They basically own Grand Rapids, both families have donated culturally and philanthopically.
Grand Rapids Info: Scroll down the page to see DeVos and VanAndel Centers

But they are also very politically active with the GOP and the Christian Reformed Church. They are right in line with the current neo-con agenda, and have plenty of money to throw around. They have donated to Creationist organizations, Organizations to Bring Religion back into government, and Right Wing Voter Fund organizations.

Moreover, Betsy DeVos is the chair of the Michigan GOP, but she is stepping down to make a run in 2006 against Gov Jennifer Granholm (D) or Debbie Stabenow (D).

The Cybernet inference is this. Cybernet does the IT services for probably all of the VanAndel and DeVos establishments in downtown Grand Rapids - undoubtably their biggest customer. Barton Watson (CyberNet) lives in Ada, a wealthy suburb of GR, and so do the DeVos and VaAndel families. Undoubtably they know each other well through business and social connections. As I said, this is highly speculative, but ala Scott Peterson, there is motive, money, means, and a crook to pull it off.

Anyway, I have included an assortment of search links. Please check out how deeply these wealthy individuals support GOP and the Christian Right. Note: Nowhere was there any public connection between Barton Watson and any of these individuals, although they are all members of the GR Chamber of Commerce.

Richard DeVos Search

Jay Van Andel Search

Betty Van Andel Search

Betsy DeVos Search

RM and Helen DeVos Article

I promise you this is for your conspiracy theory pleasure only. Wouldn't you just love to find out a devout Christian Evangelical family supported massive voter fraud to forward their agenda?

[BlueDog2u]

30. Indigo...

This is very interesting. Thank you for stepping forward with this information. I just posted above acknowledging that there has in fact been some very wild speculation about this topic but also urging that we keep our minds open, and that maybe further revelations will bring us back to Cybernet as a suspect to continue watching. Your information about Cybernet's local affiliations with the far right adds to our file, and I for one thank you for posting.

However, I also urge everyone to be skeptical of the tone and style of posters like Auditors. I just reread the opening of his post, and I more convinced than ever that Bozo's skepticism is valid. There's something not right about starting off by saying that you were going to PM something but decided to post it "for the public." It rings the ear like a con job.

[indigonation]

31. bd2

Thanks and you're welcome.

Although I agree wholeheartedly with your caution, as long as information is presented in context and backed up with links, I think it helps to put as many cards on the table as possible. We all want to know if this election was rigged, be it via Cybernet or not.

[mirrera]

32. Evidence gets lost in the FBI

According to the Collier brothers who wrote Vote Scam, they presented the FBI with documents and videotape showing fraud in FLA back in the 70s. The FBI always took it, but they never did anything with it. It is hard not to be suspicious of any raid ordered by Ashcroft that involves computers right now. Like they would say "it involves our party's vote rigging". We might never know. I for one am not that fragile and welcome all information. I am perfectly capable of researching and checking sources.

[BlueDog2u]

37. Yes, on the other hand John is right

That there was some egregiously sloppy work going on on this topic, more at BBV than here on DU.

I don't know what to say about the FBI. You're quite right, I put on my tinfoil hat and I can think of a million different bad scenarios, including the FBI destroying evidence. But perhaps that possibility is one reason why citizens like ourselves should not just drop this line of inquiry entirely. Its up to us to watchdog even the FBI sometimes. As yet we have no firm proof of any connection between these events and Votergate. Merely a suspicion based on coincidence in timing plus the evident fitness of Cybernet to have been in on a voting scam, based on the company's character and involvements. But we should stay alert for further clues, just in case.

[indigonation]

41. Scary

Scary - but I guess I'm confused where the buck stops at the FBI now.
There was no mass purging and resignation from the FBI, now was there?

Its hard to be a liberal. We always are suspicious of our government while at the same time thinking we can get the truth on our side.

Following your line of thought, there are multiple tin hat theories that come to mind, including, maybe CyberNet was a carefully placed, slightly insignificant media decoy...

But thanks for the concern, and keep digging.

[BlueDog2u]

33. Right

Investigate where you want to. Check your sources. And don't ever lose the faith that the sobs are going down, sooner or later.

[noclonyofthechimp]

44. This is great! Thank you. Welcome. I am new, also. Fl in the house

[seemslikeadream]

46. The looming theocracy: "The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004"

from Minstrel Boy in GD
The looming theocracy: "The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004"


Anyone know the status of this Dominionist piece of legislation?

Here's the theocratic gist of it:

AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable

`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'

Katherine Yurica wrote last February that, "Because the judiciary is “an element” of the federal, state and local governments, this wording, if it becomes law, may allow any judge to institute biblical punishments without being subject to review by the Supreme Court or the federal court system."

And Chris Floyd:

The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is no joke; it was introduced last month by some of the Bush Regime's most powerful Congressional sycophants. If enacted, it will effectively transform the American republic into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" -- as interpreted by a judge, policeman, bureaucrat or president -- can override the rule of law.

The Act -- drafted by a minion of television evangelist Pat Robertson -- is the fruit of decades of work by a group of extremists known broadly as "Dominionists." Their openly expressed aim is to establish "biblical rule" over every aspect of society -- placing "the state, the school, the arts and sciences, law, economics, and every other sphere under Christ the King." Or as Attorney General John Ashcroft -- the nation's chief law enforcement officer -- has often proclaimed: "America has no king but Jesus!"

...

One of the chief moneybags behind the rise of Dominionism was tycoon Harold Ahmanson, Rushdoony's protege and fellow CNP member. In addition to establishing theocracy in America, Ahmanson has another abiding interest: computerized voting machines. As reported here last year, Ahmanson, a fervent Bush backer, was instrumental in establishing two of the Republican-controlled companies now rushing to install their highly hackable machines -- with untraceable, unrecountable electronic ballots -- across the country in time for the November election.

...

Put this juggernaut at the service of democracy-hating extremists with no legal restraints o­n their enforcement of "God's sovereign authority" -- plus a proven track record of subverting the law to gain political power -- and what would you have? A mullah state? A military theocracy?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2745168&mesg_id=2745168

[BlueDog2u]

34. John, a question

Or anyone else who has been following this, really:

Is it correct that the Cybernet group which was raided in Grand Rapids is the same Cybernet Group, also called Cybernet USA, which on Nov. 15 purchased AyalaPort in the Phillipines?

Details of purchase:

http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/cyb111504.cfm

http://money.inq7.net/breakingnews/view_breakingnews.php?yyyy=2004&mon=11&dd=09&file=13

I'd just like to establish if this a factually correct inference.

[indigonation]

35. Yes Alaya

Bd2

I was also looking for that article but when doing a web search couldn't reproduce it. If you follow the internal links in the article they will take you back to the cng.com site based in GR.

I was making an additional stretch that perhaps CyberNet (with newly aquired capitol?) being in the position to expand....

Nah, but throw it in the maybe box.

[BlueDog2u]

36. Thanks

The reason I ask is that it is a bit odd, don't you think, that these events took place within the same week? The earliest reference I find to the acquisition of Ayala is about Nov. 8, and it seems to have been a fait accompli not much before the 13th, and then, on November 18, the feds raided them.

I don't want to draw too many conclusions from this, but it does seem a bit odd, doesn't it?

[indigonation]

39. Exactly

The proximity of dates are indeed interesting.

[Bozos for Bush]

40. Yes BlueDog, they are the same

One of CyberNET Group's websites is www.cybernet-usa.com

I've never said that CyberNET Group is beyond suspicion - only, over and over and over lol, that they were not the other Cybernet-named companies that Auditors kept linking them with in order to mislead a lot of people.

For example, this article about a security flaw in Stryon (part of CyberNET Group) software caught my eye, but I'm not a computer genius and do not understand just how serious this flaw is:

http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2002/Dec/1005809.html

"Description: A file disclosure vulnerability was reported in Stryon's Instant ASP (iASP) in the Remote Console Applet. A remote user can view arbitrary files on the system."

Of course, lots of companies produce software, some have problems, etc., so I am still quite skeptical that there is anything here to all this CyberNET stuff.

John

[BlueDog2u]

43. Good

I, for one, welcome your skepticism.

[indigonation]

42. Cybernet Lawsuit has been out since Friday

(Grand Rapids, November 19, 2004, 6:01 p.m.) A lawsuit has now been filed against a Grand Rapids Internet company after federal agents raided the building.

On Wednesday, federal investigators shut down The CyberNET Group on South Division Avenue and locked employees out. Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 that investigators were looking for evidence of wire, mail, and bank fraud. They hauled away computers and financial records linked to the company.

more...
Cybernet Lawsuit ...Wire, Mail, and Bank Fraud Article, Nov 19th

Note as this probably IS the reason for the FBI seizure, it doesn't rule out other connections. The operative word is "after"...
The owner, company has a long history of fraudulent activity. It will be more interesting to see what the collective investigations come up with.

The collective fraud investigation is snowballing, not dying, and its sad how people keep trying to quash down any little tidbit of information that might help in the investigation. That makes me almost as nauseous as the thought of someone rigging the election.

If only they had told Bev Harris she was crazy, go home....