Time to start ORGANIZING LOCALLY and preparing for the WORST!

[Kralizec]

Everyone knows that the new-cons (and most repugs, though they are not one in the same all the time) firmly believe in the "early bird gets the worm" analogy. Now, after all our investigations, we find ourselves aware of the cunning and cleverness of BushCo. It's our turn now! We must continue our investigation into the election fraud to the VERY END. But we must not ignore that we may have to come up with alternative options.

I suggest that those who are not actively involved in the fraud investigations begin to organize and brainstorm for LOCAL ACTION. Start checking out permit requirements, the best times to do it, location, etc, etc. We must take our organization here on the net to the streets. We are witnessing the birth of American Fascism, American Fascism people! And I'll be DAMNED if I let this go on without trying to stop it. I WILL NOT be compared the German citizens in the '30s, who history has always asked, and will always continue to do so, "Why didn't you guys do anything to stop Hitler?"

The answer of many, of course, is that they "didn't know" or "didn't see it coming." Well my friends, WE HAVE SEEN IT, and we must not just write posts on a forum! Start planning the resistance NOW!

note: I am still VERY involved in the election fraud story, and I FIRMLY believe that the election was stolen. So keep digging!! I'll be releasing a website today or tomorrow that is following the fraud story.

¡VIVE!

[knowbody0]

1. resistance!

apathy is a noose

[Chimpanzee]

35. "First They Came for the Jews"

By Pastor Niemoller

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Kralizec]

37. Thank you for that very pertinent quote. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. YeeHaw!! Where do I sign up?

[Kralizec]

3. The power is in YOUR hands. Start small, and build up.

It is the time we stopped relying on others. YOU have to take the action now. The time has come for us to retake our nation and put it back in the hands of the people. No taxation without representation. Use your heads. One large movement is easy to stop, merely cut off the head. Several small and independent movements are much harder to stop. I am really scared that this may be one of our last chances to do something, so start thinking about it now.

[Eloriel]

14. Small cells

Works for me. And unfortunately, I think you're right.

[Kralizec]

4. Is this being recieved?

Are people afraid of being associated with this thread?

"Call up the instigator, because there's something in the air! We've got to get together sooner or later, because the revolution's here. And you know that it's right!"
-Tom Petty, "Something in The Air"

[Sodium Pentothal]

25. Yes

There is reason to fear for being linked to anything that can be construed as "radical" opposition. I am not in a position where I can bite the hand that feeds me, so to speak. I will post intellectually as best I can, but I fear anything that is too "out there" would quickly come back on me. It's just too easy for them to do it too.

[Kralizec]

26. I understand, of course.

hehe, but there is a point when you just gotta let go :P :P

[Kralizec]

5. GOAL: WAKE UP THE PEOPLE! n/t

[dewaldd]

6. you know they are going to control the internet

It's all in the Plan for a the New American Century.

[Kralizec]

7. well thankfully the internet is not just in the U.S., but they can control

what we see. Shouldn't we plan just in case? I hope people are reading this and deciding personally to do something. I hope.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Eloriel]

15. That's not civil disobedience, that's

violence -- which is the very antithesis of what Gandhi and Martin Luther King taught.

I would caution DUers who might be interested in this to remember something another DUer who was very involved with the anti-war protests during the 1960s said. He said they knew their groups were being infiltrated, and it was usually the infiltrators who were the first ones to suggest doing something illegal (set the group members up, help discredit them, help sow discord and break them up, help just get them in jail and out of "action" -- all sorts of benefits that agents provocateurs can create).

Back off from this one fast, I'd say.

[Kralizec]

16. Yeah -- I bet it was used just to get IPs from those who would join

Bad bad name for it. Maybe the topic: Discussing U.S. Fascism and how it affects and will affect American Citizens

[lucabrasi]

27. Freenet

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

[Carolab]

9. I want a movement to SECEDE

and I want it NOW

[KnowerOfLogic]

12. Right on Brother/Sister.

It's the only answer. The doomsday fundies are going to be dragging the rest of us down for centuries to come.

[MelissaB]

10. Here is one democrat with balls

I'm posting this everywhere I think it is appropriate today.

things that have been bothering me. I ran across an interview with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. I posted this in another thread in another forum, but I think it is worth repeating.

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs20041108.htm

Interview with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

snip

Q: Is nothing left of it?
K: All that is gone. And just because of the monumental arrogance and incompetence of this one president. The USA is the most hated nation of the world. 5.5 billion people around the world fear and despise us. That's for me the most bitter pill of the Bush presidency. And Americans have no idea about it, how much they are hated around the world. They just won't get informed.

Q: The free American press withholds such information?
K: The media today are the result of a thirty year old strategy of the American right. In the seventies an unholy alliance was built between the environment destroying industries and the right-wing ideologists. First they created right-wing think-tanks in the shadow of the capitol. Then they overtook the media.

Q: Mr. Kennedy - You exaggerate!
K: You think? I tell you: Right-wing, almost right-wing extremists are controlling all 5000 US TV-stations, the 15,000 radio stations and 80% of our print media. The free press, invented in the USA, is now controlled by a Christian taliban. By right-wing extremist, fundamentalist heretics!

Q: Do you know that the people all over the world see CNN?
K: And do you know that 72% of the Bush-voters still believe that it was Iraq that was behind 9/11? This is the kind of information that will always be distributed by, for example, Fox news. Owned by Rupert Murdoch, this broadcaster distributes such news into US broadcasts. With only the "Los Angeles Times" on the West-coast and the "New York Times" on the East-coast, you can't hold against it. It's just impossible.

Q: And what are the consequences of this situation?
K: You know, I'm at the point of hating radio in the US. In the United States of America today it is like the twenties of the past century in Germany, Italy or Spain. A true brown-shirt attitude takes over. Whoever criticises the government will be branded as unpatriotic. But without a free and critical press the survival of our democracy is very difficult to imagine.

Q: Now you've gone to far!
K: Also in Europe there were the right-wing industrialists who made a pact with fanatical fascists, which until then just existed on the edge of civil society. But with the money of industries... Don't forget - also Hitler was elected democratically - from the people of the most educated nation of the world. And as with Hitler, so also Franco and Mussolini. In the USA we see today a similar pattern. This is pretty scary for those who believe in progress and democracy.

Q: That's strong tobacco - The USA like the pre-nazi Germany!
K: Look at the composition of the cabinet of the Bush government. There are three times more CEOs as in any other previous American government. And they will continue in the levels below of this administration. Everywhere are sitting the lobbyists of the most greedy and destructive industries in the political top-positions.


at the end of the article:

Q: But you are the heir of the president John F. Kennedy and Robert, his minister of justice, your father. Where is your engagement for the American democracy?
K: Of course I fight back. I do nothing else but fight those guys. I don't know yet what I will do in four years. First the dust has to settle down. But whatever happens - the following four years I will be in a direct fight with these guys. And probably a long time after that.




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I think we have a friend. Anybody want to call him up and ask what the hell we do next??

Melissa

[loupe-garou]

13. He is a wonderful speaker too..........

Even though he has a voice problem- disphonia like Diane Rhiem----We went to hear him speak this year. He's passionate about the environment and deomcracy. He's a personal friend Of John Kerry's. I heard him speak at a Clinton rally in '92 also.

I don't think he could run for office or wants to - there was some drug thing at some point I think, but he's a great man, and his father would have been proud!

[neohippie]

23. does a drug arrest or conviction prevent you from running?

I think we need candidates with experience with drugs and the criminal justice system, both policies need serious reform. We need a candidate who has the backbone to stand up for their past instead of running from it.

You had an extrmarital affair, why lie about it, admit mistakes and move on. We need a leader who isn't all image!

[JD Lau]

18. Thanks very much for this info. I knew Robert Kennedy Jr was

involved with National Resources Defense Council(I hope that's the name), but had not read anything where he spoke out personally. I will surely copy the article URL and send it off to my election list. So far, I can still use my computer to do that.

JD

:nuke:

[nolabels]

22. Calling them out "Christian taliban"

Thanks for posting this

In the end, we all become our own leaders, and doing unto others as they have done unto you was not that great of an idea to begain with I think. Preemptive is how the world has always worked, so don't get over it, go around it. The world is full of philosophy and ways of doing things. Building a better more efficient simpler and cheaper mouse trap never put cats out of business, it just gives cats a lazier life.

In ways there are things happening that no one can understand fully. The understanding that belief wells from the individual gives me more hope than can be put into words. In the understanding that a thief must first con himself that he is worthy before taking what ever he ends up with before he takes it, says volumes about people who put their trust into the unknown (which we all do in the end anyway). We are all thieves in one way or another, the moments we take from this thing that we don't own known as Time. We collectively or singularly will never be able to get or give any of it back, but it will eventually own all of us in the end, when we will be no more (this from the idea we must take)

To give, to give this is what that great speech was all about, thank you President Kennedy, you said it so well

[crispini]

11. How about the black box T party?

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/bbballot-invitation.htm

[JD Lau]

17. what do you mean: "Start checking out permit requirements, the best times

Any further particulars?

[Kralizec]

19. Well, I meant start looking into how your local area allows legal

protests and rally's in your area. Work up from there. Start small with a few people/organizations that would be willing to help organize. And then when we have a big protest in NY or DC or something, we can initiate the smaller town groups as well so that it can be simultaneous. See what I mean?

[Dragonfli]

20. Organizing Locally

I live in Buffalo NY
We are a one paper town "The Buffalo News" owned by one of the richest men in the US.
We are also Suffering huge job losses, rising costs of everything, wages going down rather than up... You do the math.

In this informational desert, an oasis of local circular "rags" have taken up the slack as far as "filling in" for the MSM. Two in particular have done very well in this respect.
"The Artvoice" and "The Beast"

Example article: http://www.buffalobeast.com/62/pitt62.htm

These small press operations and others like them seem to me to be the key to spreading the word, the truth, and the warnings of the approaching fascism to the patriots of america.

Tho they sleep the walking death of a SOMA dream....

There are those ready to wake.
There are those ready to act.
There are those who are like the patriots of old will responded to the small presses that once forged the words that forged a country and brought down a king.
And again they shall rise!

so lets all get active with the micro presses already!!!

[rucky]

21. kick

and check out indymedia

[Tuddie]

24. My neighborhood has begun to organize

and we meet right after Thanksgiving. Several neighbors and colleagues - who gathered for two Kerry House Parties and one Public School Mobilization - will gather again (regularly) to plan actions to defend democracy! We are a close-knit politically active and integrated group and we are committed to this work. I'll be checking your 'site Kralizec for ideas. I'll post some of ours, too. Luckily, we are in a BLUE state so we'll be able to support our neighbors in red and purple states.

[GetTheRightVote]

28. Charlotte, NC

Please let me know if anything gets going down here, I am ready to join up with you all. Robert Kennedy, son of Robert Kennedy very impressive man speaking out against this evil.

[Kralizec]

29. YES! That's the spirit! Don't be afraid!!

It's OK to get excited about planning to protest in case things get too out of hand. The writers of the constitution foresaw this so they preserved free speech. The matter of the fact is as long as free speech is alive, Democracy has a chance. The media and press may not be free any more, which is a horrible shame, but free speech remains. So use it while we can! Just bring it up casually in conversation that the news is starting to brew about some fishy business this administration is up to, and that there may be a peaceful rally or something. I dunno... But that's just what I might say to my friends, you the people around you the best. Good luck.

[pauldp]

30. March Now!!!

In almost any other democratic country , if they had half the evidence we have right now they would be in the streets pounding drums, shouting, and burning Bush and Wolf Blitzer in effigy. Just look at the Ukraine! The time for complacency is over!

THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY! THIS IS REAL!!!

DUers are aware of the following:

-UC Berkly Quantitative Methods Research Team:

"Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President Bush in Florida."
snip
"We can be 99.9% sure these effects are not attributable to chance"

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_Sum.pdf

-The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy
Dr. Steve Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania:
"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/

DIEBOLD IS ORGANIZED CRIME!

www.blackboxvoting.org

Who Killed the Paper Trail?
HR 2239 was a bill that was introduced in the House of Representatives to implement a paper trail for e-voting machines. It was killed in committee by the Republican leadership.
(Hastert and Delay at Bush's request). Why did they kill the paper trail if the weren't going to cheat?

NO PAPER TRAIL=NO DEMOCRACY!

THIS IS NO BULLSHIT PEOPLE!

YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU IN IT'S DARKEST HOUR!

If you've got a patriotic bone in your body, call your local organizations, call your friends, find out what the rules are in your town for peaceful protest. Strap on a drum or grab some pots and pans and PROTEST NOW!

We marched in my town (San Luis Obispo CA) last Saturday and we are planning another one for this weekend. People can dismiss emails and websites. It's harder to dismiss drums echoing off the buildings of their town.

Black Friday - the biggest shopping day of the year, would be a great symbolic day to proclaim our intention to reclaim America for the people.

We are not the media, we are not political parties.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!

[breadandwine]

31. FLASH BULLETIN! Blogger calls march on Fox NOW!

Combined protest against Fox and the rigged election —

The objective is specifically to challenge the wall of silence on the rigged election by news outlets like Fox and make a breakthrough —

Please spread this around, check it out and kick it —

A blogger has posted an extremely detailed, specific call to protest the rigged election AND the suppression of the truth ABOUT the rigged election by Fox News — a combined event mass march protest to be held in New York City — AT — Fox headquarters on 6th Avenue —

Main protest chant —

“Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!”

Nobody thinks of marching against a news organization in the streets. This is going to be a shot heard round the world.

Very comprehensive protest plan with very helpful travel details, the works —

See blog on this,

“A Call To March On Fox —

For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election!” —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Discussion thread in General Discussion Forum — please help keep this kicked —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2688242

“A Call To March Against The Rigged Election”

Please spread these links around to help us organize this.

Please join that discussion there and help keep it kicked. Marching on Fox starts at post 117. But read the whole discussion. And read the blog. Discussion also discusses an earlier blog on marching against the rigged election and media. Second blog being discussed is on a specific, detailed call to march on Fox specifically as a key initial part of this protest against the rigged election. Fox is a key ENABLER of the rigged election. They’d never get away with election rigging on such a vast scale if it weren’t for news suppressers/distorters like Fox. Read both blogs.

Tremendously detailed comprehensive blog —

It gives the exact location in New York City of all of Rupert Murdoch’s empire, New York Post, Fox News, News Corporation (Murdoch’s big parent company — it owns almost everything else he’s got) — all of that — it’s all in a single building on 6th Avenue between 47th Street and 48th Street in mid-Manhattan. Murdoch’s own office is in the building too. We can be chanting against him right outside his window. All their offices are not on very high floors either — as low as the second floor — they’ll see and hear us and have to pass us on the way in. All those blow-hard Fox talking heads lying about the election — we’ll be in direct shouting matches with them as they come and go. And Fox itself is on the SECOND Floor. How good is their studio soundproofing in there????? Everybody at Fox is going to be bitching that they can’t get any work done. There’s no way they can hush this up.

Since it’s a vicious circle — news organizations like Fox suppress our protests, making them seem futile, therefore the proposal is to combine objectives and protest Fox AND the rigged election TOGETHER right outside Murdoch’s building and tie the two evils together — “Murdoch suppresses the truth about the rigged election!” — and invite other New York news organizations, many of whom DETEST Murdoch, to cover it. (You didn’t know New York news people and news executives hate Murdoch? Blog goes into that a lot.)

Blog has many links to anti-Murdoch resources and video of Bill O’Reilly telling everybody to shut up, shut up, shut up, over and over. What a sewer rat! Right on camera! He looks really mean and drunk in one of the film clips. Jack Daniels? And he’s on camera hotly lecturing us, “It is our duty as all loyal Americans to shut up.” The video nails him good — and Fox. Blog gives other video links too.

Tired of being told to shut your trap? Open it. March against Fox and the rigged election in New York City.

But the idea is to put it all together, to protest and denounce Fox outside their offices for leading the COVER-UP of the election heist. It’s a shot across the bow to the rest of the media that they better start telling the truth about the election, or they’ll get protests like the one at Fox. All the national news media are based in Manhattan. They can’t say this protest was too out of the way to get to.

Blog also has links to downloadable anti-Fox flyers, petitions and other resources against Fox that could be distributed at the protest march.

Blog goes into tremendous detail about the strategy, the advantages of starting protests in New York as opposed to other cities (huge liberal population would augment people coming from out of town), and it’s the news media capital of the world. Very friendly terrain. New York Democratic congressmen are demanding investigation of the stolen election. No rednecks in the population or the government, no paranoid security apparatus like you have in D.C.

Blog includes complete “mother lode” total orientation guide to using New York subways with downloadable maps you can enlarge, how to use mass transit to get from Amtrak’s Penn Station to the march, how to use mass transit to get from the airports to the march.

Let’s make it happen!

Keep kicking that thread so everyone will hear of this!

[goclark]

36. Link to all offices, every city! Let's outfox Fox!

Click on the state and the locations and phone numbers are all here!
We need to march at every location.


http://www.fox.com/links/affiliates.htm

[pauldp]

32. Kick!

[tngledwebb]

33. The enormity of the problem has to be realized.

The outside world, ie the rest of the world, must be made aware.
If or when the fraud issue becomes a top story, and don't hold your breath, the evil-doers have no intention of giving up their power.

And they probably want to finish their 'work' within two years.

[goclark]

34. Let's kick and MARCH!

Don't have time for negatives only positives.

Are there offices for Fox in other cities?

We should march everywhere.

[Hobbes199]

38. Yes! This is as important as that!

Kick.

[MominTN]

39. Where are the young people?

I can't figure out why the universities aren't having protests. It seems to me our young people are taking their rights for granted. They should be using any spare time they have to make videos, take pictures, write media, and promote protests. Do they expect their working parents to do it?

[Kralizec]

41. I am a college student and I have a website up that is convering the elect

ion story. It is temporary just until all the questions are answered. Then I will overhaul the site so it can be more interactive. My buddy and I are saving up to buy a digital video recorder so we can start doing investigative reports around our city, and then post the results on the website. But the damn cameras are expensive!

[BeFree]

40. I'm thinking

We have ourselves a few: "March For Democracy" movements getting started up in every town and city around the US.

Everything we do and say needs to be as upbeat and as positive as possible. Statements like "Open and Honest Elections are the Lifeblood of Democracy" should take the place of "The Election was Stolen"

If we use the idea of "Restoring the Health of Democracy", it tends to allow terms that typify the unhealthiness of the current state of our Democracy.

The old term: "Think Globally and Act Locally" are perfect for the elections process. Votes are tabulated locally and the consequence is global.

Thinking.......