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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:14 PM
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Richard Hayes Phillips: Widespread election fraud in Cleveland
I saw this over in GD (thanks, Liberty Belle), but there's not been much analysis of it. I thought it might get more comment here (if it's a dupe, I'd appreciate it if someone would give me the link to the original posting). Just curious what people think. I couldn't find the 2000 results on the site, but it would be interesting to check the Cuyahoga/Cleveland differences to see if they are part of a historical pattern or if they just showed up for the first time in 2004.

http://blog.democrats.com/node/812

Bob Fertik at Democrats.com has just published "Widespread Election Fraud in Cleveland?" in which Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. reveals results of his just-completed precinct-by-precinct analysis of the 2004 presidential vote in Cleveland. Here are excerpts of his damning findings, which should be enough to give Karl Rove a coronary:

"There are wholesale shifts of scores of votes from the Kerry column to other candidates, and astonishingly low turnouts in certain precincts and entire wards. The Ohio recount will prove these numbers to be fraudulent."

I may have identified only the tip of the iceberg. I note that there are 17,741 uncounted ballots in Cuyahoga County. Kerry's margin in Cleveland was reportedly 108,659 votes with a 49.89% turnout. The rest of Cuyahoga County had a 71.95% turnout. Such a turnout in Cleveland would have given Kerry a margin of 156,705 votes, left Bush with a statewide margin of 85,007 votes, and with 248,100 votes still uncounted, nobody would be conceding Ohio.

This is a situation that demands rigorous investigation. I can imagine Michael Moore going door to door in Ward 4, Precinct F, looking for the 215 Peroutka voters, or in Ward 4, Precinct N, looking for the 163 Badnarik voters. Or going door to door in Ward 6, Precinct C, to find out why the turnout was only 7.10% - or in Ward 13, Precincts D, F, and O, to find out why the turnout was only 13.05%, 19.60%, and 21.01%, respectively."

<snip>

"...A NOT UNREASONABLE CONCLUSION IS THAT TAMPERING WITH THE NUMBERS HAS COST JOHN KERRY 6,000 VOTES IN CLEVELAND."
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:33 PM
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1. TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE!
THANKS FOR POSTING. I haven't read democrats.com lately. I will have to make sure I spend HOURS reading Bob Fertiks great website every day.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:34 PM
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2. interesting study -- we need to somehow get some of our graphics
talented people hooked up with some of these study authors, to turn their numbers into some charts and graphics that one can absorb at a glance ...or two.

If you're one of those talented people, maybe you should give the author a holler and offer to help.

Here is his contact info:
RICHARD HAYES PHILLIPS, Ph.D.
<http://www.northnet.org/minstrel>
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:40 PM
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3. up to 50,000 in cleveland alone
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 04:43 PM by kerry2win
who knows what the auctual no. could be. If Kerry picks up 70% of 70% approved provisional ballots he would net gain 40-45,000 bringing it down to 90-95,000 before the recount. You have to wonder about other cities like Columbus and Toledo. The good thing hopefully if it did happen there should be a paper trail. Not to mention the 93,000 ballots that didn't register
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM
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4. Kick!
:dem:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:42 PM
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5. Some of those precincts are like a GOP roach motel
voters check in but the votes don't come out!
It's fucking unbelievable.
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masshole1979 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:24 PM
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6. question...what's a "dupe" post?
of course, it's self-explanatory up to a point, but...

also, when they delete a post and put, "dupe" in the subject line, who does that and what exactly does it mean?
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:51 PM
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8. "Dupe" means a duplicate post. The poster is implying that he hopes
no one else has posted about this same thing/article before him; that he couldn't find it posted before, but wasn't sure if someone else did before him. In other words, he's apologizing beforehand if people have talked about this subject/article before.

Plus, when people put "dupe" where all the threads are listed, it basically means that they've seen someone else post the same topic as well. When you post something, you can always go back and edit it later, which is how they do that. Look at your posts, there should be an edit link to the right of the bottom of your post. Just click on that and it should take you to the edit page.
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masshole1979 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:34 PM
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7. is it possible the missing votes were due to vote supression...
...rather than flawed counting? I doubt it, just playing devil's advocate. The reply on the website seems to hint at that.

"
Olmedo translated at precinct 13-O, where 90% of the votes were for Kerry and only 53 votes were counted. The turnout of 21% was due to the lack of Spanish instructions and the misspelling of names: “I noticed that one named Nieves was misspelled as Nieues and the pollworkers were not able to find his name, these people were told to complete a provisional ballot because their names were not on the list.”
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:42 PM
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9. Kick for debunking
Unless this can't be debunked.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:24 AM
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10. Kick
n/t
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:35 AM
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11. Daily Kos link to discussion of Cuyahoga voting patterns
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:47 AM
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12. FLASH BULLETIN! Blogger calls march on Fox NOW!
Combined protest against Fox and the rigged election —

The objective is specifically to challenge the wall of silence on the rigged election by news outlets like Fox and make a breakthrough —

Please spread this around, check it out and kick it —

A blogger has posted an extremely detailed, specific call to protest the rigged election AND the suppression of the truth ABOUT the rigged election by Fox News — a combined event mass march protest to be held in New York City — AT — Fox headquarters on 6th Avenue —

Main protest chant —

“Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!”

Nobody thinks of marching against a news organization in the streets. This is going to be a shot heard round the world.

Very comprehensive protest plan with very helpful travel details, the works —

See blog on this,

“A Call To March On Fox —

For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election!” —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Discussion thread in General Discussion Forum — please help keep this kicked —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2688242

“A Call To March Against The Rigged Election”

Please spread these links around to help us organize this.

Please join that discussion there and help keep it kicked. Marching on Fox starts at post 117. But read the whole discussion. And read the blog. Discussion also discusses an earlier blog on marching against the rigged election and media. Second blog being discussed is on a specific, detailed call to march on Fox specifically as a key initial part of this protest against the rigged election. Fox is a key ENABLER of the rigged election. They’d never get away with election rigging on such a vast scale if it weren’t for news suppressers/distorters like Fox. Read both blogs.

Tremendously detailed comprehensive blog —

It gives the exact location in New York City of all of Rupert Murdoch’s empire, New York Post, Fox News, News Corporation (Murdoch’s big parent company — it owns almost everything else he’s got) — all of that — it’s all in a single building on 6th Avenue between 47th Street and 48th Street in mid-Manhattan. Murdoch’s own office is in the building too. We can be chanting against him right outside his window. All their offices are not on very high floors either — as low as the second floor — they’ll see and hear us and have to pass us on the way in. All those blow-hard Fox talking heads lying about the election — we’ll be in direct shouting matches with them as they come and go. And Fox itself is on the SECOND Floor. How good is their studio soundproofing in there????? Everybody at Fox is going to be bitching that they can’t get any work done. There’s no way they can hush this up.

Since it’s a vicious circle — news organizations like Fox suppress our protests, making them seem futile, therefore the proposal is to combine objectives and protest Fox AND the rigged election TOGETHER right outside Murdoch’s building and tie the two evils together — “Murdoch suppresses the truth about the rigged election!” — and invite other New York news organizations, many of whom DETEST Murdoch, to cover it. (You didn’t know New York news people and news executives hate Murdoch? Blog goes into that a lot.)

Blog has many links to anti-Murdoch resources and video of Bill O’Reilly telling everybody to shut up, shut up, shut up, over and over. What a sewer rat! Right on camera! He looks really mean and drunk in one of the film clips. Jack Daniels? And he’s on camera hotly lecturing us, “It is our duty as all loyal Americans to shut up.” The video nails him good — and Fox. Blog gives other video links too.

Tired of being told to shut your trap? Open it. March against Fox and the rigged election in New York City.

But the idea is to put it all together, to protest and denounce Fox outside their offices for leading the COVER-UP of the election heist. It’s a shot across the bow to the rest of the media that they better start telling the truth about the election, or they’ll get protests like the one at Fox. All the national news media are based in Manhattan. They can’t say this protest was too out of the way to get to.

Blog also has links to downloadable anti-Fox flyers, petitions and other resources against Fox that could be distributed at the protest march.

Blog goes into tremendous detail about the strategy, the advantages of starting protests in New York as opposed to other cities (huge liberal population would augment people coming from out of town), and it’s the news media capital of the world. Very friendly terrain. New York Democratic congressmen are demanding investigation of the stolen election. No rednecks in the population or the government, no paranoid security apparatus like you have in D.C.

Blog includes complete “mother lode” total orientation guide to using New York subways with downloadable maps you can enlarge, how to use mass transit to get from Amtrak’s Penn Station to the march, how to use mass transit to get from the airports to the march.

Let’s make it happen!

Keep kicking that thread so everyone will hear of this!

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