Did Bush Lose? oh just looking around in google and....

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A very interesting article in the Baltimore Chronicle and Sentinal, by Margie Burns: (edit for first name wrong)

Did Bush Lose the Election?

As things stand right now, it seems unlikely that Mr. Bush won the 2004 presidential election.
As things stand right now, it seems unlikely that Mr. Bush won the election.

There are two major categories of problems. One affects the electoral vote. Release of the final exit polls conducted in all states shows a pattern that cannot be explained away. The exit polls were released (not to the general public) at 4:00 p.m. on Election Day by polling consultants Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.

These are the genuine exit polls for all 50 states and the District of Columbia, taken before the outcome was known in any particular state. These are not the “exit polls” that organizations including CNN went back and retroactively changed after the election, making them conform more to vote tallies.

Link: http://baltimorechronicle.com/112204MargieBurns.shtml

a snow ball gathers speed and size on the way down the hill.......

[meganmonkey]

1. Nice article - I'm not familiar with the Baltimore Chronicle

not really a regular MSM paper, though, is it? I tried their About Us page but it came up file not found. Oh well.

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4. I just happened on this,

also never heard of the paper. but it very well written, with information we have all heard elsewhere.

[coloradodem2005]

2. This is interesting.

If this were proven true, could you imagine the ramifications to this group? It would shake them to the foundations.

[leftchick]

3. very interesting...

Has anyone else seen the Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International exit poll numbers? Are those the numbers Dr. Freeman used?

I like here ending. Are you listening Democr5atic 'leaders'? The former Soviet country of Georgia has better outcomes than the US!

~snip~
Exit polls are not just polls. They are polls of people who actually showed up to vote, taken just after the voting, and weighted to take into account any preponderance of one group. Professor Freeman’s paper points out that exit polls are used to check and verify the validity of elections in countries including Germany and Mexico; when exit polls contradicted the claim that Eduard Shevardnadze had won election in the former Soviet country of Georgia, he was forced to resign under pressure from the US among others.

Immediate investigation is most urgent in four states that the swing from exit poll to published vote tally also swung from Kerry to Bush: Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, and Iowa. The many problems already reported from counties and precincts in all four states more than corroborate the suggestion raised by the exit poll tabulation. These four states also add up to 59 electoral votes, more than enough to have tilted the election outcome.

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7. Raw Numbers

I'm not certain who has seen the raw numbers, meaning the precinct by precinct numbers. Mitofsky has said that he has analyzed the numbers but he or his organizaton has not released them. The statewide uncorrected numbers are the ones currently released and these are the one's Freeman used. The raw data is necessary to determine how accurate the vote/poll was at a substate level. Usually such data is availible from the Roper Center for public opinion.

[pansypoo53219]

5. so

why isn't there marching in the streets ala Ukraine? because teevee said georgie won?

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6. great point

i asked at the MoveOn house party last night: Are you ready to go into the street with sign in your hand? Most said yes.

[Straight Shooter]

8. Margie Burns is one tough columnist

If she's writing about the vote tampering scandal, that's more good news for us.

Margie Burns is a regular feature of The Oregonian, and always has a decisive and insightful perspective. She isn't afraid to turn over rocks and identify just what kind of bugs start crawling out.

Thanks for pointing me to this. Makes me feel good.

:thumbsup:

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10. thank you

for shedding some more light onto this journalist. i had never heard of her before, and I hope they don't mind me posting the link to her article. it also makes me feel better, we just need to get that snow ball rolling.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. It says on the site "We're your National Public Newspaper"

We're your National Public Newspaper! If you donate to NPR, why not also to us?

It looks like most of the articles are political and they are pretty anti-Bush.