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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:36 PM
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Hypothetically, what if OH's electoral votes did in fact get disquallfied?
Technically, what would happen?
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:38 PM
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1. ???
How could they do that? It would mean all of Ohio would not have voted for the President.

Wouldn't they have to have another vote?
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:55 PM
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14. From what I've read today, if you factor in a contradictory recount, along
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 12:04 AM by henslee
suspect central tabulators, widespread disenfranchisement, broken machinery, mishandling of provisionals -- and it all adds up to serious doubt about the true vote count -- then the nullification of Ohio's electoral representation could kick in, as the consitution does in fact have a provision for the nullification of a state's electoral rep. if it does not seem to be true and fair. I know this is far fetched but if it ever did turn out this way -- who would make the call to nullify? (edited) What would happen next? I don't know.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:11 AM
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17. if that were to happen
we would have to raise holy hell for a revote. Protests ,work stoppages, anything and everything to make sure our votes did count.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:39 PM
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2. Very Good Question. I'm wondering if the OH Electoral votes can get
disqualified
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:21 AM
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19. Law below (long) USCdCpt1Title3 Note paragraph 5 and 16
The 12th Ammendment reads:

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.


UNITED STATES CODE

The following provisions of law governing Presidential Elections are contained in Chapter 1 of Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672, as amended):

TITLE 3 THE PRESIDENT

Chapter 1. Presidential Elections and Vacancies

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Chapter 1. Presidential Elections and Vacancies

Return to 3 USC Ch. 1, Table of Contents

Time of appointing electors

§ 1. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

Failure to make choice on prescribed day

§ 2. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

Number of electors

§ 3. The number of electors shall be equal to the number of Senators and Representatives to which the several States are by law entitled at the time when the President and Vice President to be chosen come into office; except, that where no apportionment of Representatives has been made after any enumeration, at the time of choosing electors, the number of electors shall be according to the then existing apportionment of Senators and Representatives.

Vacancies in electoral college

§ 4. Each State may, by law, provide for the filling of any vacancies which may occur in its college of electors when such college meets to give its electoral vote.

Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors

§ 5. If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

Credentials of electors; transmission to archivist of the united states and to congress; public inspection

§ 6. It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast; and it shall also thereupon be the duty of the executive of each State to deliver to the electors of such State, on or before the day on which they are required by section 7 of this title to meet, six duplicate-originals of the same certificate under the seal of the State; and if there shall have been any final determination in a State in the manner provided for by law of a controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, it shall be the duty of the executive of such State, as soon as practicable after such determination, to communicate under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such determination in form and manner as the same shall have been made; and the certificate or certificates so received by the Archivist of the United States shall be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection; and the Archivist of the United States at the first meeting of Congress thereafter shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received at the National Archives and Records Administration.

Meeting and vote of electors

§ 7. The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.

Manner of voting

§ 8. The electors shall vote for President and Vice President, respectively, in the manner directed by the Constitution.

Certificates of votes for president and vice president

§ 9. The electors shall make and sign six certificates of all the votes given by them, each of which certificates shall contain two distinct lists, one of the votes for President and the other of the votes for Vice President, and shall annex to each of the certificates one of the lists of the electors which shall have been furnished to them by direction of the executive of the State.

Sealing and endorsing certificates

§ 10. The electors shall seal up the certificates so made by them, and certify upon each that the lists of all the votes of such State given for President, and of all the votes given for Vice President, are contained therein.

Return to 3 USC Ch. 1, Table of Contents



Disposition of certificates

§ 11. The electors shall dispose of the certificates so made by them and the lists attached thereto in the following manner:
First. They shall forthwith forward by registered mail one of the same to the President of the Senate at the seat of government.
Second. Two of the same shall be delivered to the secretary of state of the State, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate, the other to be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.
Third. On the day thereafter they shall forward by registered mail two of such certificates and lists to the Archivist of the United States at the seat of government, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate. The other shall be preserved by the Archivist of the United States for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.
Fourth. They shall forthwith cause the other of the certificates and lists to be delivered to the judge of the district in which the electors shall have assembled.

Failure of certificates of electors to reach president of the senate or archivist of the united states; demand on state for certificate

§ 12. When no certificate of vote and list mentioned in sections 9 and 11 and of this title from any State shall have been received by the President of the Senate or by the Archivist of the United States by the fourth Wednesday in December, after the meeting of the electors shall have been held, the President of the Senate or, if he be absent from the seat of government, the Archivist of the United States shall request, by the most expeditious method available, the secretary of state of the State to send up the certificate and list lodged with him by the electors of such State; and it shall be his duty upon receipt of such request immediately to transmit same by registered mail to the President of the Senate at the seat of government.

Same; demand on district judge for certificate

§ 13. When no certificates of votes from any State shall have been received at the seat of government on the fourth Wednesday in December, after the meeting of the electors shall have been held, the President of the Senate or, if he be absent from the seat of government, the Archivist of the United States shall send a special messenger to the district judge in whose custody one certificate of votes from that State has been lodged, and such judge shall forthwith transmit that list by the hand of such messenger to the seat of government.

Forfeiture for messenger's neglect of duty

§ 14. Every person who, having been appointed, pursuant to section 13 of this title, to deliver the certificates of the votes of the electors to the President of the Senate, and having accepted such appointment, shall neglect to perform the services required from him, shall forfeit the sum of $1,000.

Counting electoral votes in congress

§ 15. Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

Same; seats for officers and members of two houses in joint meeting

§ 16. At such joint meeting of the two Houses seats shall be provided as follows: For the President of the Senate, the Speaker's chair; for the Speaker, immediately upon his left; the Senators, in the body of the Hall upon the right of the presiding officer; for the Representatives, in the body of the Hall not provided for the Senators; for the tellers, Secretary of the Senate, and Clerk of the House of Representatives, at the Clerk's desk; for the other officers of the two Houses, in front of the Clerk's desk and upon each side of the Speaker's platform. Such joint meeting shall not be dissolved until the count of electoral votes shall be completed and the result declared; and no recess shall be taken unless a question shall have arisen in regard to counting any such votes, or otherwise under this subchapter, in which case it shall be competent for either House, acting separately, in the manner hereinbefore provided, to direct a recess of such House not beyond the next calendar day, Sunday excepted, at the hour of 10 o'clock in the forenoon. But if the counting of the electoral votes and the declaration of the result shall not have been completed before the fifth calendar day next after such first meeting of the two Houses, no further or other recess shall be taken by either House.

Same; limit of debate in each house

§ 17. When the two Houses separate to decide upon an objection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.

Same; parliamentary procedure at joint meeting

§ 18. While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.

Vacancy in offices of both president and vice president; officers eligible to act

§ 19. (a) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
(2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection.
(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President.
(c) An individual acting as President under subsection (a) or subsection (b) of this section shall continue to act until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, except that
(1) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the failure of both the President-elect and the Vice-President-elect to qualify, then he shall act only until a President or Vice President qualifies; and
(2) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the inability of the President or Vice President, then he shall act only until the removal of the disability of one of such individuals.
(d) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is no President pro tempore to act as President under subsection (b) of this section, then the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
(2) An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service.
(3) The taking of the oath of office by an individual specified in the list in paragraph (1) of this subsection shall be held to constitute his resignation from the office by virtue of the holding of which he qualifies to act as President.
(e) Subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution. Subsection (d) of this section shall apply only to officers appointed, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, prior to the time of the death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, of the President pro tempore, and only to officers not under impeachment by the House of Representatives at the time the powers and duties of the office of President devolve upon them.
(f) During the period that any individual acts as President under this section, his compensation shall be at the rate then provided by law in the case of the President.

Resignation or refusal of office

§ 20. The only evidence of a refusal to accept, or of a resignation of the office of President or Vice President, shall be an instrument in writing, declaring the same, and subscribed by the person refusing to accept or resigning, as the case may be, and delivered into the office of the Secretary of State.

Definitions

§ 21. As used in this chapter the term -
(a) "State" includes the District of Columbia.
(b) "executives of each State" includes the Board of Commissioners * of the District of Columbia.

* The functions of the Board of Commissioners of the District of Columbia are now performed by the Mayor of the District of Columbia. (Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1967, Section 401, 81 Stat. 948: Pub. L. 93-198, Sections 422 and 711, 87 Stat. 790, 818.)
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:34 AM
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22. How do you parse THIS
5. If any State shall have provided,
by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors,

for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State,
by judicial or other methods or procedures,

and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors,

such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day,

and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors,

shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:35 AM
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24. It looks to me like we have to sue to stop the appointment of Ohio's Rethu
electors before Dec 6.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:39 PM
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3. Ever read "A Handmaid's Tale"??
...where most of the government has been assassinated & replaced by evil hypocritical fundies???

I think that's what would probably happen. :scared:
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:41 PM
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5. isn't that the one where...
Only the women married to state officials can have babies, but they can't reproduce and they take babies from younger women?
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:41 PM
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6. Yes
It was the scariest book I've ever read!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:49 PM
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13. The movie was a little different
Because of the destruction of the ecosystem...most women were left unfertile by the chemicals in the environment. The women were tested and those that were found to be fertile were gathered and put in one place and monitored by religious zealots. They were sent to mate with government officials and then their babies were taken away.
Funny that fertile women were a rare commodity. Sigh.
It was frightening. Will have to read the book to see the differences.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:35 AM
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27. I had a friend...
that worked on that movie. Just wanted to make sure we were discussing the same one.

I did read the book and it was different. I liked the book better than the movie, but then again, that's often the case.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:58 AM
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28. Interesting that you notice this too!
The US is morphing into A Handmaid's Tale, Ninteen Eighty-four and a Brave New World, all rolled up into one.
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Winamericaback Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:39 PM
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4. I don't think
they can do that. That would REALLY be disenfranchisement.

They would revote.. which is not going to happen.
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SaintAnne Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:42 PM
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7. revote?
if they revote, can we run over there and be like "VOTE KERRY VOTE KERRY" for like days and days and days? oh that would be fun!
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:43 PM
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8. I'll join you! :)
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SaintAnne Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:45 PM
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10. cool beans
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:44 PM
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9. Actually I think it was posted here that they can disqualify a state
for fraud. Technically, Kerry would then have more electoral votes than Bush. However, since neither would have the majority,270,the decision would go to the House. Who, would likely elect Bush because Repugs are the majority!
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SaintAnne Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:46 PM
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11. well, I don't like that
can't you be more uplifting, I'm getting tired, I need some happiness before I go to sleep...
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:57 PM
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16. I'm so sorry I'm not being more uplifting. The bright side would be
that Bush's legacy would be tainted forever! Not to mention we would all work hard to get every Repug out of office that refused to vote for the legitimate President. Hey, and just maybe some of the Republican house members might not want to vote for a cheater prez and would cross party lines to vote for Kerry.

I truly would like to believe this, but as you can see Kerry is going to have to move mountains even if he does get Ohio and/or Florida disqualified. But I still keep hoping for it anyhow.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:47 PM
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12. ok, now I'm ill.
night night

:hi:
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:57 PM
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15. How many Republicans won seats that were from Ohio?
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 11:57 PM by GingerSnaps
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:13 AM
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18. Wait, wouldn't Bush still be up?
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:21 AM
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20. ya I think we'd have to switch Iowa
maybe even New Mexico to get the lead.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:30 AM
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21. Iowa is eligible for a recount
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 12:31 AM by Straight Shooter
Saw it on another DU thread, probably in 2004 Election Results and Discussion.

edit: here it is, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x59891
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:34 AM
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23. However, if you could prove fraud in Ohio, you could also technically prov
fraud in Florida and disqualify that state as well.
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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:46 AM
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26. DELETED
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 01:43 AM by tinfoil_beret
I need to check my facts.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:36 AM
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25. If no candidate has a majority
of the electoral votes, then the House (voting one vote per state) decides from the top three electoral vote finishers.

It happened in 1824 when Andrew Jackson got the most electoral votes and the most popular votes, but didn't have an electoral vote majority.

The House picked John Quincy Adams though Jackson had more popular and electoral votes.
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