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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:17 AM
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Look what the Repugs are up to in King County
http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/003106.html#003106

Stole the above report from a Repuke blog in the Puget Sound area.
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SomthingsGotaGive Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:21 AM
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1. Great !!!
The more the merrier.

Let the games begin.
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:39 AM
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2. *** THIS IS GOLD AND HERE IS WHY!! **** TP
Hi all,

I've been waiting for this and the timing couldn't be better!!!

Over the next couple of days we wil hear nothing but rebuke and dismissal over the recount and fraud investigation efforts, or at least I anticipate this as the spin machine gets ready to spit its poisonous rhetoric our way. Don't talk negatively about this article guys!!! Here is why... this is gold.

We've all suspected that a large number of Bush voters don't understand or haven't absorbed enough of the data to understand why Bush's team is such a threat to life and liberty (to put it lightly). With all the spin and the constant game of rhetorical point vs. counterpoint in the media people just don't have the time, on average, to research all these things themselves. I think it was Stephan Hawking that once said, "the enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it the illusion of knowledge."

If treated with care and respect for the portion of the country that voted for Bush but just didn't spend the time, and you know that is probably the bulk of these folks in this murky political environment, we can use this account to show that Republicans SHOULD care about a fair, accurate and transperent election, and that we are supportive of their efforts to do so. The next thing to do is show them how important consistency and equal protection are in keeping things fair.

I say, let's run with this and make it work for us!! We all know the data is in our favor, and even more importantly, if we all fight for fair, accurate and transperent elections we all win in the long run. Furthermore, the more we harp on the importance of fair, accurate and transperent elections in maintaining our democracy, the more legitimacy we have as a group and the more support (and possible converts) we will find.

I am SO glad you posted this! Spread the word: WE support the recount in Washington because voting is not a partisan issue!

Warmly,

George
p.s. "TP" in the subject line stands for "Talking Point."
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:40 AM
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3. p.s. Please keep this kicked!
kick
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:49 AM
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4. kick
they cannot ignore this
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:06 AM
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5. Alrighty
:kick:
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:16 PM
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11. kick
kick
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:25 PM
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12. RELATED POST: New article from NYT on Rep./
Hi all,

Here is the related link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73481

A Republican Senator from Indiana uses election poll data to criticise Ukraine's Presidential election.

Enjoy!

- G
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:05 AM
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6. kick
:)
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:53 AM
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7. FLASH BULLETIN! Blogger calls march on Fox NOW!

Combined protest against Fox and the rigged election —

The objective is specifically to challenge the wall of silence on the rigged election by news outlets like Fox and make a breakthrough —

Please spread this around, check it out and kick it —

A blogger has posted an extremely detailed, specific call to protest the rigged election AND the suppression of the truth ABOUT the rigged election by Fox News — a combined event mass march protest to be held in New York City — AT — Fox headquarters on 6th Avenue —

Main protest chant —

“Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!”

Nobody thinks of marching against a news organization in the streets. This is going to be a shot heard round the world.

Very comprehensive protest plan with very helpful travel details, the works —

See blog on this,

“A Call To March On Fox —

For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election!” —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Discussion thread in General Discussion Forum — please help keep this kicked —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2688242

“A Call To March Against The Rigged Election”

Please spread these links around to help us organize this.

Please join that discussion there and help keep it kicked. Marching on Fox starts at post 117. But read the whole discussion. And read the blog. Discussion also discusses an earlier blog on marching against the rigged election and media. Second blog being discussed is on a specific, detailed call to march on Fox specifically as a key initial part of this protest against the rigged election. Fox is a key ENABLER of the rigged election. They’d never get away with election rigging on such a vast scale if it weren’t for news suppressers/distorters like Fox. Read both blogs.

Tremendously detailed comprehensive blog —

It gives the exact location in New York City of all of Rupert Murdoch’s empire, New York Post, Fox News, News Corporation (Murdoch’s big parent company — it owns almost everything else he’s got) — all of that — it’s all in a single building on 6th Avenue between 47th Street and 48th Street in mid-Manhattan. Murdoch’s own office is in the building too. We can be chanting against him right outside his window. All their offices are not on very high floors either — as low as the second floor — they’ll see and hear us and have to pass us on the way in. All those blow-hard Fox talking heads lying about the election — we’ll be in direct shouting matches with them as they come and go. And Fox itself is on the SECOND Floor. How good is their studio soundproofing in there????? Everybody at Fox is going to be bitching that they can’t get any work done. There’s no way they can hush this up.

Since it’s a vicious circle — news organizations like Fox suppress our protests, making them seem futile, therefore the proposal is to combine objectives and protest Fox AND the rigged election TOGETHER right outside Murdoch’s building and tie the two evils together — “Murdoch suppresses the truth about the rigged election!” — and invite other New York news organizations, many of whom DETEST Murdoch, to cover it. (You didn’t know New York news people and news executives hate Murdoch? Blog goes into that a lot.)

Blog has many links to anti-Murdoch resources and video of Bill O’Reilly telling everybody to shut up, shut up, shut up, over and over. What a sewer rat! Right on camera! He looks really mean and drunk in one of the film clips. Jack Daniels? And he’s on camera hotly lecturing us, “It is our duty as all loyal Americans to shut up.” The video nails him good — and Fox. Blog gives other video links too.

Tired of being told to shut your trap? Open it. March against Fox and the rigged election in New York City.

But the idea is to put it all together, to protest and denounce Fox outside their offices for leading the COVER-UP of the election heist. It’s a shot across the bow to the rest of the media that they better start telling the truth about the election, or they’ll get protests like the one at Fox. All the national news media are based in Manhattan. They can’t say this protest was too out of the way to get to.

Blog also has links to downloadable anti-Fox flyers, petitions and other resources against Fox that could be distributed at the protest march.

Blog goes into tremendous detail about the strategy, the advantages of starting protests in New York as opposed to other cities (huge liberal population would augment people coming from out of town), and it’s the news media capital of the world. Very friendly terrain. New York Democratic congressmen are demanding investigation of the stolen election. No rednecks in the population or the government, no paranoid security apparatus like you have in D.C.

Blog includes complete “mother lode” total orientation guide to using New York subways with downloadable maps you can enlarge, how to use mass transit to get from Amtrak’s Penn Station to the march, how to use mass transit to get from the airports to the march.

Let’s make it happen!

Keep kicking that thread so everyone will hear of this!

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Debbie13 Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:11 AM
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8. PASSING ON THE LINK
I passed on the link to some of the Yahoo message boards.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:52 AM
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9. WHEN? -nt
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:08 PM
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17. Please shorten your post and include a link to its full message on DU
I understand you're trying to get this message out, but can you summarize it and include a link to the full post on another DU thread?

This has been posted in way too many threads already and it seems to disrupt the flow pertaining to the thread at hand.

Thanks :)
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:07 AM
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10. Ken Schram, called Vance a "bonehead" and "King of
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 11:23 AM by Carl Brennan
hysteria lane" on his commentary on KIRO News at 11:00 pm yesterday. It was amazing how what Schram said sounded like REpugs trying to characterize dems as whiny, temper tantrum throwers. Schram stated that the process of counting and recounting is valid and works and that the only person complaining about it was Vance.

Schram's stuff is usually so esoteric that I don't listen to him much. Maybe e-mail him a thanks.

KenSchram@komo4news.com







http://www.komotv.com/kenschram/story.asp?ID=34083


......As head of the State Republican Party, Vance has been spouting off about how he thinks there is a partisan conspiracy afoot in King County.

He's gone so far as to call King County's Election Superintendent a "political hack", and contends the guy actually 'ordered' some Dino Rossi ballots not to be counted.

Having lost a court fight to stop the King County recount in its entirety, Vance went on a verbal tirade that defies logic and law.

He got his GOP BVD's in a bunch over election workers filling out replacement ballots based on how those workers determine who someone intended to vote for. .....


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:29 PM
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13. I support the PUGET SOUND recount...
...because EVERY vote counts and should be counted!

NGU.


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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:51 PM
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15. exactly...
kick
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:31 PM
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14. kick. nt.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:00 PM
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16. can we use this as a staging ground against Blackwell?
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:48 PM
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18. re: quesion
Hi AnIndependantTexan,

It is more to expose the rhetoric coming from the other side, that's all. It's not aimed at Mr. Blackwell personally, and we should avoid making it a personal issue. I would aim any talk of Ohio's Secretary of State directly at actions, behavior, statements made, etc. rather than at his "character" directly.

Too many people still think that our collective efforts are strictly aimed at saving Sen. Kerry's candidacy, and at heart it really isn't. This can and should be used to show how the importance of fair, accurate and transperent elections, and how much we value consistency and equal protection.

As they say, actions speak louder than words. Let's show everyone that we mean what we say here about protecting the integrity of the American vote.

Hope that helps. :)

Warmly,

George
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:51 PM
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19. This is all great, Repubs using exit poll information, lol

I just love American, home of the free and brave, lol.
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:06 PM
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20. Fruedian slip?
Hi all,

Just remember that even the most sociopathic will let the truth slip every now and again. ;)

In all seriousness, exit poll results generally have very high external valadity (means the data from the sample is representative of the population it is intended to reflect), and they came out attacking it like no tomorrow immediately after the election. Perhaps they figured that the "buzz" had died down enough, and media is side-tracked enough, to not pay much attention to the statement of an Indiana Senator, and to another letter found written by Mr. Bush himself regarding the validity of the Ukrainian Presidential election.

Somedays the media does just fine. And it was an otherwise slower paced news day anyway, so they had to find something newsworthy, and this just happened to break at just the right time. Still, it hasn't exactly been on a high rotation story in the day's newscasts.

Just some thoughts... :)

Warmly,

George
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