Mike Ruppert: Bush family can't be fought electorally or militarily...

[scottxyz]

...but only economically.

"They don't count all the votes - but they count every dollar."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110504_snap_out.shtml

The Day to Forget the November 2nd Election Forever is November 3rd

The Rest of the World Fights the Empire With Money - What We Should Have Been Doing Here All Along

Now is the Time to Attack on the Fronts Where We Have Real Power

The rest of the world has known for some time that it is pointless to oppose this Empire either militarily or electorally. They haven't the resources for the former and are legally barred from the latter. I think it's time the American people adopted the same philosophy. We are, after all, legally barred from inspecting electronic voting machines. The rest of the world has been fighting with money and public relations because these tactics work and work well. This is a lesson that American activists and true patriots should have learned four years ago. Now the tempo of battle will increase just as surely as the stakes have been raised both globally and domestically for us all.

[ladjf]

1. Starve the Beast!

[whosinpower]

2. That is correct!

Choose one corporation that Joe Consumer can have a direct effect on....my number 1 choice - WALMART.

Shop at small independantly owned businesses - support local biz....and squeeze the big boxes till they cry.

Walmart gave ALLOT of money to the republicans....ALLOT. And, they hurt communities.

[wiggs]

4. Focused is the only way.

A focused boycott, rather than a diffused, general one, will have more support. I vote for Walmart and NBC. We need to get the media to change behavior (this might be more important than anything else) and a boycott might be the only way, short of ownership change.

Boycott RW products generally, but a focused, advertised, international boycott of specified time duration involving a limited number of companies would shake the foundations of corporate headquarters.

[ladjf]

6. Walmart would be a good start. If we could hurt them,

we could hurt any big business.

[Truman01]

13. But as much as people talk about them

They still shop there.

[ladjf]

14. There are plenty of alternate competitors to Wall Mart where

the prices are so close that we could afford to change.

An easy target would be Coors beer. Surely the beer drinkers could find a satisfactory substitute for Coors beer. I've heard that it taste bad anyway. The Coors family has been funding the right wing think tanks for years. (yes think tanks, not drink tanks)

[MoonRiver]

24. Speak for yourself. I don't shop there, EVER!

Even if they weren't rightwing, their stuff is for shit. Guess that's what happens when a corporation has 6 year olds manning the assembly lines. :puke::puke::puke:

[Roger_Otip]

3. attack on all fronts

it doesn't have to be either or.
don't forget november 2nd, but don't forget all the other ways of fighting them.

[fugue]

5. I agree

I'm moving my money to a credit union (out of Bank of America, which recently took over my bank), and I grocery shop at a coop.

I'm looking for every way I can stop financing cooperate America.

[mirandapriestly]

Walmart "Supports" NPR

which help explain what is wrong with NPR

[Vidar]

27. Reagan castrated NPR long ago.

[fugue]

29. I have no objection to boycotting Wal-Mart

In fact, I do. I don't know any liberal who shops there.

I just think that boycotting just Wal-Mart isn't enough. As I have observed, none of my liberal friends will go there, and we haven't had that much impact. We've got to hit on all fronts.

[nolabels]

11. In the struggle with them understand when they feel the stranglehold...

They will react in ways that are predictable and unpredictable, be ready and try to understand both. They are devious and have a behind the facade a no holes barred approach.

A lot of us have been watching them for years, never take anything lightly. It's a velvet glove that hides a quite ugly iron fist

[99Pancakes]

18. For example?

Can you give us specific exaples of what they have done in the past?

[nolabels]

25. Here or abroad?

Hell the list is endless, recently or how many years in the past. BFFE in particular or the right-wing in general?

My hypothesis is the downfall of Nixon taught them well. They found they couldn't control all the writers and news outlets from the outside so put a concerted effort to pick them all up or off. The Iran / contra thing would of been much too big a scandal before but it is just passed over now. We on the left or independents will never be able to focus on any of it because the attacks on everything are much too frequent now. They have not got totally to the physical point of attacking everyone who pops there head up, but it gets closer everyday. At that time the true fascist state will have arrived.

My guess they felt their land legs with the kind of things they accomplished with Oliver North, it has been down hill for the rest it. It is much too easy to get away with much of what they want anymore, Haiti comes to mind. Decent people who believe in a whole lot of things but don't go along with their plans have been mostly silenced. BFEE is just a player in part of it. If you think about we in the US were really kind of target for this thing from the beginning.

Do you really need me to trace the roots for you?

Here are a couple links if you need to a place to start

"basic stats for US imperialism"
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/22725.php

DU MKULTRA thread-let's talk about mind control, factually now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1414094

A MASSIVE, RIGHTEOUS DU PROJECT - HERE AND NOW
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=386951

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

[Carl Brennan]

7. The fight for a sound election system

is a fundamental fight. Ruppert needs to look at the big picture. Fighting for an accounting of this election is essential to laying the groundwork for a return to democracy. To abandon it would be to abandon any future hope of having a democracy.

Starving the beast is just one facet in a multifaceted war.

[unpossibles]

8. perhaps the most important yet overlooked

element to a boycott is letting them know.

let them know you are not shopping there.
let them know why you are not shopping there.

this gets them to react much more quickly. They will still feel the sting of the lost dollar, but they will also be aware of it much more immediately. Also, the flood of letters/emails/calls looks really bad.

[genieroze]

9. Hit them hard

Just in time for the holidays. Want to see what 60% of the country can do. Yes I said 60% because I really feel Kerry won in a land slide and this morals vote is just bull. Chrismas colors are red and green, so let their books see the red and don't let them have any green. We should give them a Bah Humbug they will never forget. Do you wonder why the polls are showing Bush gaining in popularity? Because we are not participating in them, only the dittoheads are because we are not watching MSM.

[mzmolly]

10. Tell me who to boycott and I'll do it. I need this broken down in plain

english ;)

I agree "vote with your money" is perhaps the most powerful thing the 55 million people who voted for John Kerry can do!

[scottxyz]

15. Mike Rupper recommends www.solari.com to "vote with your dollars"

http://www.solari.com

[Emillereid]

26. I went to that site -- and maybe I'm dense, but I can't figure

out what Catherine is urging me to do. When I put my zip code in the find stuff going on near me it came back with nothing -- and I live in the greater LA area. If someone understands solari, please help me out.

[tngledwebb]

12. Well, if the left and Dem's can't get 100,000 people

on the streets to protest the election fraud, how many of us are going to give up our cars and clothes and DVDs? Enough to make a dent or a ripple?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. Excellent Mike Ruppert Interview

http://blackopradio.com
Show #196
Featured Guest: Michael Ruppert

Topic: Crossing the Rubicon
The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil

He does briefly discuss the election, or non-election according to him.



Part One http://www.blackopradio.com/black196a.ram

Part Two http://www.blackopradio.com/black196b.ram

Part Three http://www.blackopradio.com/black196c.ram

From The Wilderness Publications - www.fromthewilderness.com
Black Op Radio

[TumorSupressor]

17. This is the right move and our only option.

Walmart and NBC are good targets. We need an organized concentrated effort to make our voices heard with our dollars. In addition we need to make our $$$ go to the places that we know are making good social choices. Catherine Austin Fitts at www.solari.com has the right ideas. We can do this. We need to start talking with our $$$ and we can affect change.

[99Pancakes]

19. I have always believed

boycotts are the strongest way to bring an empire down in a market-based economy. I have been doing this for sometime. My recent boycott is Red Lobster (see California forum).

However, someone mentioned a focused boycott on one or 2 BIG guys (like Wal-mart) where lots of us shop. This person suggested a short, intensive "battle" where we all, during these selected weeks, boycott. I LIKE that idea. I second the motion.

[dewaldd]

20. Ghandi won, so can we

[peacetalksforall]

21. Please don't stop supporting small businesses. Haven't read it yet,

but yesterday Bush hit small businesses with some new limitation.

[peacetalksforall]

22. I am against organized boycotts - I'm for educated buyers. I never buy

anything GE (because of NBC bias against us). But, I'm against the organized boycott because it could mean a lock out and the little people are the ones to hurt.

I think the only answer is education. I value what I've learned about Citgo and Costco. I am distressed about what I've learned here about Home Depot. It takes longer, but I would be against anything that involves risk of jobs for the little people.

I'm willing to learn.

[nolabels]

28. You will have a hard time doing it against GE

but not that I'm saying you shouldn't try but unless you got blocks that are quite large it will be difficult. They have spread out so far and are so large it will be hard to tell when they are hurting.

Their new thing is business solutions for business, they have been removing themselves from the front lines for quite a while now. With all them sub-entities it will be hard to hit a spot.

Even if you did one part of their businesses they could just spin it off and that is the way they have been structuring themselves. This is why only really big things can hurt them, say like federal governments.

It's not hard to understand just follow the money.

[genieroze]

23. Kick