11/22 olberman blog

[keepthemhonest]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

does not sound encouraging to me

[Winamericaback]

1. He wrote that last night

I read it and new before he typed it that Kerry/Edwards was not actually participating so it wasn't news to me. They'll help and thats it.. doesn't surprise me.

[keepthemhonest]

3. oh my mistake I did not see it yesterday n/t

[New Earth]

2. why not?

i thought it was fine.

[keepthemhonest]

4. this for one

Advised of the recount push by the Green and Libertarian Parties, and their plan to sue to force a second tally even before Secretary of State Blackwell is scheduled to certify the first count, Cunningham said his statewide group might sue back to prevent a recount. “I need to see if this is merely my opinion or reflects the opinion of the association.”

[pointsoflight]

33. Ah, BUT

His boss, K. Blackwell says there will be a recount, and it's also part of state law.

[Her Blondness]

31. Me too.

To me it sounds like he's just "churning" the story to keep it in the public eye.

[Oreo]

5. How about this part

Fineman put it in terms that the mainstream can’t ignore. He told me he’d talked to Ohio’s Mr. Blackwell earlier in the evening. “There in fact will be a recount,” Howard said with a sigh that encapsulated all of the Florida 2000 Experience. “We will be talking about chads once again.”

It's saying K/E won't be involved unless there's a recount and then goes on to have Fineman say there will be a recount.

[keepthemhonest]

8. yeah that sounded good but

Hoffheimer, was more cautionary. “What they meant to say is that the Kerry/Edwards campaign will be putting witnesses in the Boards of Elections if a recount is asked for… We are not requesting a recount.”


sounds like they are trying to backtrack a little here

and i want to go forward not backwards.that is just me

[New Earth]

12. i think they are just choosing their words wisely

they want us to know they are getting involved but dont want to come out and 'join' the request for a recount or the backlash from the Republicans will come sooner.

[IAMREALITY]

6. Yet Another Waste Of A Thread...N/T

[Oreo]

10. Yet another post 11/3 member...

dismissing a chance for a recount

:wtf:

[IAMREALITY]

13. Huh?

?

[Oreo]

14. I'm sick of seeing all of the people

that have just signed up to DU after 11/3 and seeing them more often than not trying to brush off any chance of fraud or a recount.

It just seems a little more than coincidental to me

[keepthemhonest]

16. what are you talking about?

some people here are just looking for some positive news each day about how we are going to get a recount
don't try to put a spin on it

[Oreo]

18. I'm all for a recount

Look around at some of the naysayers and you'll see a large number of them as being new members that didn't join until after the election.

I'm pretty new here myself so I'm only speaking for myself.

I replied to the Another Wasted Thread because my first impression was that they were dismissing any talk of a recount. If they had added anything to their text as to why they thought it was a wasted thread I wouldn't have misinterpreted it. Sorry if I did.

[anamandujano]

20. about the newbie thing

People join boards like this after elections like this to lessen their feelings of confusion and separation, to talk to those of like mind.

After 2000, I turned off the TV but didn't know of this place and a few others. I found it from following a link at Salon's "Bizarre Hatred of Random Celebrites" thread. It saved me from withdrawing totally from the fight.

There may be some trolls but it's not worth railing against someone with a low post number.

But, to be sure, I also get upset if I think anyone is talking against gettng a full count, against getting our election process out of the mire. I don't think there's anything else worth doing at this point. Any talk of moving on, anyone saying "get over it" makes me bristle. Hearing it from our so-called leaders is especially disorienting.

[keepthemhonest]

21. hey you should be glad that people came here after the election

(for oreo and I am reality )
otherwise that means that people were not mad about it.

that means more support for this effort

and anyway i don't see how you can look at a few lines on paper and determine that they are dissing something , rather than maybe "feeling" discouraged and needing some encouragement.

If I were you I would not be looking for that any longer but you are not good at it.

And as far as a wasted thread.......

people being here talking about what's been done, what nedds to be done and what is new what could be wrong with that.

[IAMREALITY]

22. Hellooooooooo

Jesus Christ MR Fucking Speculative, How DARE YOU have been calling me out in your post. Another Waste of a Thread was in reference to a thread being created almost 24 hours after the link was active, and after 3 fucking people, including myself, already posted this story yesterday afternoon with a bunch of replies. IT WAS OLD NEWS, THAT IS WHY IT IS A WASTE OF A THREAD.

Sheesh.

[Oreo]

30. So you were speculating...

that the poster had already seen those posts? Lighten up.

This is all ridiculous.... all I was saying was I've noticed a lot of people with low post counts or recent registrations as being very negative toward a recount... that's all. I don't think I'm the only one.
It's great to have new people post... I still consider myself one of them. The more people that post... the more info we get to fight the evil empire.

If you had actually said in your post that it was already posted and maybe even referred to the original posts I wouldn't have questioned you. Not everybody spends their entire waking hours reading the board. I know it's hard to imagine because I can't help but check continuously.

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[keepthemhonest]

25. not as fast as

i am reality ( joined nov 9)


but yeah I am on here everyday. Addicted

[YellowDoginthehouse]

28. Amen, disgusting

:grr:

[pointsoflight]

7. I don't see anything discouraging.

As Blackwell himself said, the recount WILL happen. And as for whether Kerry/Edwards is "joining" or "participating", who cares? Meaningless difference if you ask me.

[Fortunato]

19. Kind of deadens motivation, though

I voted for Kerry.

I think it was good he withdrew at first, to preserve some good public opinion and to insinuate he was not being a poor sport.

I think it's pretty clear that some amount of fraud and intimidation occurred in Ohio.

I donated money to the recount.

But it sort of deadens my enthusiasm for a Kerry presidency at this stage to have the Dems and the Kerry/Edwards team seem SO indifferent (dare I say it, even reluctant?!) to pursue a recount.

Do I want a guy as president who is unwilling to commit himself to something at this stage of the game (even to the point of insisting on the word "join" rather than "participate" -- which would have suggested actual involvement), who is unwilling to take a risk but is willing to accept the presidency if others carry the risk for him?

Sorry, people. I like Kerry, and I understanding the importance of minimizing risk, politically, and I am enthusiastic about constructing a viable democratic voting system that is not prone to the problems of BBV. That is so important.

But at some point, a leader has to commit instead of allowing other people to shoulder the risk for him. If Kerry's not willing to take a risk now, after so many other people have laid the groundwork for him, then he should just back off completely and not even say he's participating in the Ohio recount.

And if he's GOING to participate, he needs to start participating wholeheartedly and lead this thing up front, no holds barred.

This reluctance to take a real stand only serves to reinforce (man, this hurts to say) Bush's 'flip-flop' assessment. I don't want Bush as president, but at least HE seems like HE wants it.

(sigh)

[txindy]

23. No, I don't think so

There is a carefully executed strategy at work here and it should not be compromised by having Senator Kerry or his surrogates make any premature announcements. Making us feel more emotionally comfortable or secure is not an acceptable excuse for risking everything they've planned.

There is a very limited period of time in which this election will be decided. If we can't be patient until January 6th, then we have no business asking people to put the outcome in peril just to please us a few weeks earlier.

That is not being a 'flip-flopper'. That is being resolute.

[Red State Blues]

29. Good post!

Hey, am I missing something? Didn't the Greens need help coming up with enough recount observers and didn't Kerry just basically say "We've got you covered." This is a good thing, right?

[Buddyblazon]

9. Doesn't seem that discouraging to me.....

it's just SSDD (same shit...different day).

This is the same news from the last few days. The fact that K/E are being vague...well hell...that would be in line with the last three weeks.

As far as the 1 million + number Ohio officials threw out. Tough titties...the law is the law...$10 per precinct. They should've known this could've happened by PURPOSELY not making the process transparent.

[keepthemhonest]

11. yeah ssdd

i am ready for some new shit

[Cornus]

15. Wait 'til later this afternoon nt

[keepthemhonest]

17. thanks n/t

[ClassWarrior]

26. What doesn't sound encouraging?

That we'll get the chance to count every vote? That's what I want...

:shrug:

NGU.

[keepthemhonest]

27. see response #4

they may sue to stop the recount.