IMPORTANT: Focus our efforts on contacting Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI)

[Stop Shrub]

He is the only senator that stood up to the Patriot Act, I feel that we can get him to pay attention if we contact him and get him the facts. I personally am from California, but i have no faith in my senators, they have become complacent and have not done much of anything these last few years. We should all contact Senator Feingold's office I think he could be our best chance.

website: http://feingold.senate.gov/

web form to contact him: http://feingold.senate.gov/contact.html

Direct email: [e-mail]

Washington, DC
506 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-4904
[phone]
TDD [phone]

Milwaukee
517 East Wisconsin Ave., Room 408
Milwaukee, WI 53202-4504
[phone]

Green Bay
1640 Main Street
Green Bay, WI 54302-2639
[phone]

Wausau
Firstar Plaza
401 5th St., Room 410
Wausau, WI 54403
[phone]

La Crosse
425 State St., Room 225
La Crosse, WI 54601-3341
[phone]

Middleton
1600 Aspen Commons
Middleton, WI 53562-4716
[phone]
TDD [phone]

[Stop Shrub]

1. sorry didn't see already post about this

but i still think that this is the person we should focus our efforts on he went up against every other senator to challenge the patriot act that takes big kahones.

[tinfoil_beret]

3. Unfortunately...

From secondhand reports, the staff of congresspeople will usually discard correspondence from people outside of their jurisdictions. Unless you live in Wisconsin, corresponding with a Wisconsin senator will waste your time and not do anyone much good. Focus on congresspeople from your state and district of residence.

[Stop Shrub]

6. we can neglect to mention our state in email's

just email or call the guy, we don't need to tell him where we are from, and frankly, i encourage all out lying to him, I think that if we are right the ends definitely justify the means. He is a senator he serves the people, and besides my roommate is from Wisconsin and Packers our my favorite football team...

[MarkusQ]

24. No!

we don't need to tell him where we are from, and frankly, i encourage all out lying to him, I think that if we are right the ends definitely justify the means

No! That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. The whole value of Feingold is that he's honest and well informed. People trust him (heck, many Republicans trust him more than they trust, say, Bush) specifically because if he tells you something it's probably true.

And you are encouraging "all out lying to him" because "the ends definitely justify the means"?!?!

That's exactly the attitude we're trying to defeat.

Stop. Get a copy of Animal Farm. Read it. Think about it. Is it so important to defeat Bush that you would be willing to become just like him in order to do it?

--MarkusQ

[tinfoil_beret]

30. Hmmm...

Perhaps you could tell him that you voted for him, too. :eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

7. They can't ignore volume.

Correspondence from constituents usually gets a Congressperson's attention first, but a flooded inbox tends to draw attention too.

NGU.

[Stop Shrub]

8. amen

I believe that if he see's this stuff he will do something...Thats the goal get him to see it, looking at his track record I have faith that he will do something with the information we give him. I really believe his support could be the key to this whole thing.

[ClassWarrior]

9. kickin' for the key to this whole thing...

:kick:

NGU.

[tommcintyre]

23. "flooded inbox tends to draw attention" I agree.. both are good too. n/t

[Hobbes199]

43. Alternate email?

I got this off a site earlier...
[e-mail]

[ClassWarrior]

2. I agree. He's my Senator and I've often wondered why...

...he didn't sign onto the Congressional Black Caucus' challenge in 2000. Nonetheless, I think he's one of our best hopes this time around. But a practical question: Are we spinning our wheels until Congress has an actual election challenge drafted and submitted for him to sign? Or do you think it'd be good just to "prime the pump" now, anticipating a House challenge?

NGU.

[Stop Shrub]

4. 2000 was different

there Wasn't this much proof, the sooner this gets to him the sooner he will throw support its way and maybe get even more senators to join in and more importantly the MSM will not ignore it anymore. I know he ignored it last time but lets force him not to this time. We are organized and mobilized we can do it!

[dragonlady]

10. Decision in 2000

While waiting for a parade to start this summer, I heard Russ say that he and some of the other senators like Wellstone decided that it would be better to put an end to the rancor over the election and that is why they didn't sign on to continue it. However, he almost but not quite said that if he (and they) had known how bad it would get under Bush, he (they) would have decided differently.

[noclonyofthechimp]

5. Thanks, I will spread this along with other senators here in FL

[eowyn_of_rohan]

11. Great idea! And it was mine first (kidding)

I had just written him an email before I saw your post. Said come on Russ--be a hero!:hi:

[Stop Shrub]

12. russ

shall save the world

[eowyn_of_rohan]

13. My Aragorn!

:loveya:

[Stop Shrub]

14. lotr

nerds rule!

[dewaldd]

15. kick

[gizmo1979]

16. got your back

I already contacted russ earlier today.I also thought he was our best chance because he's not bought and paid for!

[Stop Shrub]

17. thanks for support

sorry for the blatant kicks but i really think we should all do this...

[ClassWarrior]

19. That's okay, SS... I'm glad to help!

NGU.

[consciousobjector]

18. Kick!

[nolabels]

20. Triple kick

We don't need no deju vu :kick: :kick: :kick:

[Eloriel]

21. IMO there are other Senators that might be a better bet

For one thing, does Feingold know ANYthing about this issue? Frankly, as someone who voted to CONFIRM Ashcroft because he was one of the members of that Old Boys Club known as the U.S. Senate, I have my doubts as to whether or not he might be reachable.

Sen. Durbin, for example, DOES know about the machines -- hedda_foil briefed Congresswoman Jan Shakowsky personally who briefed Durbin.

Take a look too at who sponsored the proposed legislation to get us a voter-verified paper ballot (the one that never went anywhere) -- and no, I'm not talking about Hillary's legislation which wasn't nearly as good.

There are things I like about Feingold (and things I've NOT liked) -- but you need someone who actually knows something about this issue AND who has a spine.

[Stop Shrub]

22. reingold has proved his spine

thats why i think he needs to hear from us.

[tommcintyre]

25. I'm building a Senate email blaster - I need some help please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x74781

I'm doing this to help out on this issue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73567

I have all 100 email addresses now; and I will now build something similar to this:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm


What I need is:
1 - Sample emails for people to send to the Senators.

2 - Various email subject lines for them to choose.

I will list various choices of both (see this link for an example of what I will build:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

<Note the "Reserved for alternative messages" link on this page:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_01.htm

I'm going to go build the pages now. I will check back later for any copy posted here.

<btw: This is not meant to replace people sending individual emails, only to supplement it. As one poster put it,"Correspondence from constituents usually gets a Congressperson's attention first, but a flooded inbox tends to draw attention too."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=203&topic_id=73794&mesg_id=73881

Also, if there is enough interest, and as time permits, I will build something that will make it easier for individuals to send emails to their own Senator.>

[ClassWarrior]

34. If you still need sample letters, PM me.

I might be able to write one later today.

NGU.

[tommcintyre]

36. Will do. I especially need an "email friend" letter

aand others too will be offered as a choice.

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote.htm

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_emailothers.htm.htm

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_alt_msgs.htm

[riffnraff]

26. I emailed WI Sen Feingold and Kohl weeks ago on the fraud issue

and so far I have not received a reply. He is still chewing on it.

I received a reply 11/22 from Herb Kohl that was disappointing:

"The 2000 presidential election raised several concerns
about current voting technologies and continued uncertainty
through the 2004 presidential election. The Help America Vote
Act of 2002 and other legislation helps ensure that every citizen
has an opportunity to vote and to have that vote counted. I
understand your dissatisfaction with the results of the 2004
election and with recent publicized claims of voter
disenfranchisement and voter fraud. The Government
Accountability Office is investigating many of these claims and
additional inquiries into voter fraud and other technological
malfunctions are underway in some states. Although some of
these investigations are pending, there are not enough contested
votes to alter the final outcome of the 2004 Presidential election."

Again we hear that there is not enough votes to overturn this election and apathy since the popular vote difference is so large.

Well on to the recount in Ohio, NH to undercover the fraud in this diebolical election and GO BEV in Florida!

[riffnraff]

27. Clarification: I heard back from Kohl but not Feingold n/t

[riffnraff]

29. Hey can you bombard Sen Herb Kohl with emails since he

gave me an unsatisfactory response. He needs to know how important this is.

http://www.senate.gov/~kohl/

[Cocoa]

41. thanks for posting Kohl's response

:hi:

[gorbal]

28. Hey I would have picked Kennedy

But a concentrated effort works better than a scattered one. So I am just e-mailing Feingold for now.

If you are interested in e-mailing everyone, somebody is putting together some sort of congressional e-mail blaster on another thread.

[Kralizec]

38. Why not try to email Kennedy too? Their family is the arch-rivals of the

* family. I am sure if he got some citizens under his ass his brother's spirit will fill him.

[Bushfire]

31. His D.C. staffer on voting issues is Sarah Price

She can be reached at the [phone] number if she still works for him. I contacted her many times over the last year in hopes he would sponsor an identical bill to Russ Holt's, and sign on to Graham's bill later. He did not see the issue as serious yet, or having proof of fraud yet. Will the Volusia lawsuit be what it takes Russ? Please let them know it's just not the same person in Wisconsin concerned for Democracy in America anymore, and how HE can finally make an impartial difference. He was elected by a true mandate. He has 6 yrs now to prove to voters should he seek re-election to show how crooked our voting system is.

[pauldp]

32. Kick!

[tommcintyre]

33. Senate email blaster is up, but still needs a lttle work. Ck it out

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote.htm

[demo dutch]

35. Ok Senator from Old or New Congress? I did some research and include

both the 12th amendment and 20th amendment for clarification

U.S. Constitution: Twelfth Amendment
Twelfth Amendment - Election of President

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.--The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Sofar not clear but then I found this under Amendment twenty :

''If it should happen that in the general election in November in presidential years no candidate for President had received a majority of all the electoral votes, the election of a President would then be thrown into the House of Representatives and the memberships of the House of Representatives called upon to elect a President would be the old Congress and not the new one just elected by the people. It might easily happen that the Members of the House of Representative, upon whom devolved the solemn duty of electing a Chief Magistrate for 4 years, had themselves been repudiated at the election that had just occurred, and the country would be confronted with the fact that a repudiated House, defeated by the people themselves at the general election, would still have the power to elect a President who would be in control of the country for the next 4 years. It is quite apparent that such a power ought not to exist, and that the people having expressed themselves at the ballot box should through the Representatives then selected, be able to select the President for the ensuing term. . .

It leads me to believe that if the election is contested and as a result the outcome is in doubt the same rule would apply. That explains why Gore presided over the last mess in 2000.
And if so, Daschle has got nothing to lose and a host of others, Edwards, Graham etc.
Hate to put all eggs in one basket!!!! Anyone agree???

[ClassWarrior]

37. So you're saying our one Senator could be a lame duck under the law?

That makes sense, then, to contact them too. They have nothing to lose. I did phone Sarah Price in Feingold's office btw, and left my spiel on her voicemail. But I'll be glad to call Edwards, Graham, and Daschle's offices too.

NGU.

[gorbal]

39. Could you start a thread for the blaster?

Fill it with the information that is on the thread about the House letter going around, so that people Know what is going on:)

[tommcintyre]

44. Sure.. probably on Friday..It's still being finetuned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x74781

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote.htm

It's certainly usable, but I don't want to promo it too hard til I try to solve the "kickbacks" on some of the addys I have. Also, it needs atleast one "tell-a-friend" letter.

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_emailothers.htm.htm

[demo dutch]

42. Sorry, I think I'm wrong afterall, did some more research and found this

on one of the websites re: the 2000 election mess.

"
The electoral vote certificates are opened and counted at a joint session of the Congress, held, as mandated (3 U.S.C. 15), on January 6 following the Electors' meeting (or, by custom, on the next day, if it falls on a Sunday); the vice president presides. Electoral votes are counted by the newly elected Congress, which convenes on January 3. The winning candidates are then declared to have been elected."

Too bad ... it will be harder to get Senators onboard.

Still doesn't count Kerry out but ethically that may not look good
(we're better than them!)

[bearfan454]

40. My email to Russ Feingold

Please contest the election results along with the House members. We need one Senator to do this. Ohio and Fla were stolen without a doubt. Please help save our Democracy. Please.

Stevo XXXXXXXX
Taylor, Tx 76574

512-XXX-XXXX

[tommcintyre]

45. kick