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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:08 AM
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DRASTIC TIMES CALL FOR DRASTIC MEASURES
Drastic times call for drastic measures. We cannot allow this to continue lest we be thrown into camps, lest we watch our democracy butchered by these maniacs. People, I urge you to take to the streets and refuse to back down. Scream, yell, shout -- but by any means necessary fight the dammed bastards to engineered this heinous crime! Fight them with every democratic LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE bone you've got in your body, because friends you are fighting for our very way of life. Look to the 1960s! How can we stand by while our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins, uncles, aunts -- our loved ones -- die in an unjust war? How can we stand by as our Constitution is dragged through the mud and they want to apply discrimination to it? How can we stand by while some 230 years of AMERICAN history is tossed aside by these zealots?

I tell you now,

WE MUST STAND AND FIGHT!

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:19 AM
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1. Stand up, keep fighting!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:37 AM
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2. Gotta do it
kick

:kick:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:45 AM
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3. America is in grave danger
And it appears most don't realize it yet.
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:13 AM
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4. FEC, FBI, WTF???


According to the Federal Election Commission if you believe an election has been administered fraudulently you should contact the FBI:

http://www.fec.gov/links.shtml#E



Maybe we should all do that???
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:21 AM
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6. I agree
However, I am deeply concerned that these organizations are skewed to the "Bush perspective and agenda" that they would not pursue a serious investigation. It is a profoundly grave time for our country and I shutter at the thought that with so many complacent attitude our belovéd democracy is all but lost to the villainy of Bush & Company. Our only hope is to take our case to the American people, but therein lies another problem -- how do we do so when the media seems to set out to prove the election was valid? Seems to me that the only viable option is a strong showing of a great number of people protesting. We've much to learn from the valiant efforts of the Ukrainians.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:16 AM
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5. I agree. We must begin getting the word out to our friends and those who
care about the true values of a real democracy. There are more people out there than you think.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:30 AM
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7. i agree 100%
but what we need is leadership.
truly we need kerry to stand up and say we will not be denied justice.

Why can this happen in Yugoslavia, Venezuela, now the Ukraine. But America what? We talk democracy and let it be trampled?

I dont know about us. If we dont fight for it we will neither have or deserve it.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:04 PM
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11. New leaders will emerge and are emerging
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 06:13 PM by Oak2004
It doesn't make any sense to think about what someone else should do, or why someone else has something or doesn't have something, or anything else that's just idle thought. All one can do with that kind of thinking is make oneself mean and miserable.

Treat this just like any other emergency. After a tornado, you don't sit around and talk about how the EMTs should be there to deal with injuries while your spouse bleeds to death a few feet away. You use what you have on hand to do what you need to do the best way you can.

So take stock of where we are. The national government is theirs, and the national media is nearly theirs. Don't waste your time trying to figure out how to get them to respond, because they won't.

That directly impacts how you organize your protests. Protests in this country have almost always been organized as a kind of giant street theatre for the media. This doesn't work anymore. Don't waste your time protesting for the benefit of CNN. Instead organize protests that are intended to have a direct impact upon the government, the same way they protest in other banana republics.

Local government, and local media, are not theirs, in much of the country. It is at the local level that decisions about elections are made. Most local elected officials do not live in a bubble, as do persons elected to federal office. It is possible to use community pressure on this lowest level of elected official, which is effective even if they are Republican.. Fill their meetings to capacity and then some, even when voting issues aren't being discussed (you might want to start having pre- and post- meeting parties, turn it into something fun for local activists). Demonstrate, loudly, outside their office -- and in front of their homes. Telephone them, write them, fax them, not just at work, but at home. Educate others about the issue and teach them how to identify these people, so that they can approach these people about election issues -- and their spouses and adult children -- whenever they are out in public. Think up new and creative ways to stick the issue in their face at every opportunity. Make a game of it.

Don't harm them -- even if you are Machiavellian and see no ethical reason not to do harm, violence towards these people would result in a crackdown against people like you, and the rapid construction of a security bubble around these people -- exactly what we don't want. But hound them, relentlessly, mercilessly, until they find it easier to give in to us than to go on with unverifiable voting.

Use many of the same approaches, when needed, to get your local and state governments to fill in the gaps in social programs, to resist oppressive federal laws, and to form compacts with other state and local governments that may form a basis, if needed, for a new federal govenment.

Above all, keep the extreme right from consolidating power at the state and local level.

Economic resistance from within America, too, is essential. For that we again need those local organizations, to spread information about who to boycott and who to buy from, and to make participation in economic resistance a community standard, something one does if one is a good citizen. Make it fun, honor the patriots, and shame the opportunithugs.

The international community can and should come to our aid, for their sakes as much as ours. We must persuade the world to stop investing in America. Don't buy our products, and above all don't buy our Treasuries. With the Internet we can research exactly who is propping up the Bush debt, and reach out to citizens around the world on this matter.

A final thought here. Some persons may be considering activities that are not legal and may be thinking about responding to this thread. My advice to them is a) make sure that your actions are moral and not counterproductive b) don't post here! In fact, break your visible ties to public activism as soon as you can and fade into the apparently apathetic "majority". It does us no good to know who you are, and it certainly does you no good if we know who you are, because I'm sure we'll all be asked about you, some of us possibly under conditions especially endorsed by our future attorney general. Do what you need to do, and we'll do what we need to do, and someday we'll meet again and speak freely under the protection of our constitution.

There's more, of course, to be done with what we've got. Don't be discouraged. Remember 75% of our fellow citizens know this nation is going in the wrong direction. Germans celebrated the Nazi electoral victory with a torchlight parade under Hitler's window: you think the Secret Service would dare let a crowd with torches get near Bush, given what they'd most likely want to do with those torches?

The single most important thing is to organize, at the community level. Get out there and build your neighborhood single issue pro-democracy organizations. "Single issue" actually might not be the right word for it, but don't attach too much baggage to your agenda. Don't make it a group for Democrats when there are plenty of Republicans who feel just as strongly, or go on and on, as some groups do, about your opposition to the oppression of a few dozen oppressed groups (it's enough, actually, to be pro democracy for all - it really does cover the subject, and though there are specifics to hammer out, lets hammer them out afterwards when we have a democracy to do it in).
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:28 PM
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8. the best chance we have is to boycot every mfkr that gave heavily
to these bastards. so make a list and stick to it. no krispi kreams
no pepsi, no walmart, no home depot, no microsoft,no united parel, no fedex, no general electric, no american airlines, no ford, no esso, no aol, no maxwell house, no budwiser, no phillip moris, no anhauser bush, no hotpoint. no florida orange juice and on. make a list paste it on your refrig. and stick to it and ask friends to stick to it. THIS IS LIFE AND DEATH


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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:13 PM
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12. I'm copying this list...
and you know, how about walking in a store and saying to the Manager, "You know, I used to shop here, but I won't any longer because you all supported Bush".

Or writing?
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SharifromOregon Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:33 PM
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9. Drastic Times Call For Drastic Songs....

Mark Robinowitz
Vote Fraud in Ohio
(sung to the tune of Crosby Stills Nash and Young "Four Dead in Ohio")
courtesy of http://www.oilempire.us/stolenelection2004.html

Lost ballots and Diebold's counting
We're finally on our own
This winter I hear Bush laughing
Vote Fraud in Ohio

Gotta get real ballots
Paperless taking us down
Should have been done long ago
Keep blacks from voting and
TV won't make a sound
Kerry won, but he said no.

Vote Fraud in Ohio
Vote Fraud in Ohio
Vote Fraud in Florida

written in response to the stealing of the 2004 election through rigged voting machines, voter intimidation and stolen ballots
----------

:argh:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:26 PM
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10. Great Song
Thanks for that -- comic relief is always appreciated.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:22 PM
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13. Events are being organized now NYC

Emergency Anti-War Conference, all day Sat. 12/4, NYC

under events and activism thread ......... many plans are in the making for NYC
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:31 PM
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14. Yes! Thank you :)
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