Jesse Jackson: Sunday is day of protest of stolen election

[oscar111]

So finally someone is protesting.

Sure was quiet for a long while.

Re: number five in the thread .. visionwatcher....suggests that everyone join in on this Sunday Nov 28th. What do you think?
NOTE: visionwatcher's re: is best found by looking down the list of poster folks, not by counting down five. The "fifth" re: is really about 11th down in the screen of re:'s. Title is "Spread The News".

Democratic Underground Forums - Rev. Jackson plans rally with ministers to call for election investigation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1022252&mesg_id=1022252&page=

another group, saturday
Black Box T Party Media Alert
http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/bbballot-invitation.htm Changed:12:59 PM on Wednesday, November 24, 2004

[Truman01]

1. I'm glad he is finally protesting

Wasn't he one of the people saying that shrub won it fair and square?

[oscar111]

5. seems evidence has changed his mind.

list of 18 ways to steal votes is in the forum "voting issues"
Posted by oscar111

Vote-theft methods ...is the title

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. He told Judy Woodruff that, and then blamed the Dems for losing it.

[politicasista]

14. Hope it makes the BET, and MSM with this.

Jesse flip floped (LOL!), but this is good he is getting involved. Rev. Al needs to join in too.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. Seriously, I envisioned that! LOL!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

37. Any one have Meeting spot details for various city's??

If Sunday is the day, I will go to San Francisco by myself if I have to.

[truehawk]

2. kick

[wrate]

3. I hope this is ONLY the START of Americans rising against the dictator.n/t

[genieroze]

4. Maybe he was disgusted at the remarks the hypocrites are making

about the elections in the Ukraine.

Boosh and his ilk got some big ones even though that pic of him with his zipper down says something different. Just ragging, don't mind me.

[BikeWriter]

6. Right on Reverend! Let's go kick some ####! n/t

[geo]

7. about time...

Thanks for the info! - G

[oscar111]

10. Columbus OH also has later on rally, a week later

Jesse is three days from now, and

also there is a plan for a rally a week later in Columbus OH i think IIRC... nov 4. NOTE the main Jesse rally is in three days. Do not wait until nov 4 by mistake.

Democratic Underground Forums - TAKE TO THE STREETS

{AGAIN I REPEAT.. JESSE is in THREE DAYS... this belo is a week later on.}

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=78747

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[oscar111]

11. Protests ended Viet war, fueled Watergate. ignore ideas just above

no substance to the ideas in re just above this, IMHO.

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[New Earth]

13. both combined are even more effective

so there is no reason to argue over which one to use.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

21. NO! - 60s protests helped to CHANGE national sentiments

They began at the grassroots level, college campuses picked them up, crowds got larger and larger, cops started showing up, began tear-gassing, beating, and in the case of Kent State Ohio, SHOOTING and killing demonstrators.

These college protests got very intense after people stopped trusting the cops (aka pigs). Protests would sometimes just sort of erupt. As a kid, I got caught up in one while riding the city bus home from a music lesson. Some protestors had turned a Volkswagon over in the street, cops were there teargassing, and my eyes were burning from it inside the bus, which was stuck in the middle of all this. Cool, I thought!

The students and hippies really did think of this as a revolution, and it was. Without much mainstream support, the musicians of our generation were our messengers or bards. Listen to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's "Four Dead in Ohio", or Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America" (which still gives me goosebumps), just for a couple examples. Somewhere in the late 60s, Walter Cronkite was the first MSM newscaster on a national level to speak out against the war, and became sort of a hero of the protestors for it (Kind of like Olbermann is now).

So, are you ready to do it again?! Boy I am getting charged up just writing this!

[FloridaCrat]

35. Protest - it's our right and responsibility

When the formal means for redress on this election need a show of support that is not coming from MSM, let's get out on the streets - every Sunday until there are fair elections in the US.

I'll try to hook up with our local NAACP to see what their plans are for protest.

MSM is fair game to protest about - they are criminally negligent in the matter of fair elections in the US.

[mod mom]

22. different time , different media

One of the problems we are seeing in this election, is the reluctance of the media to get involved. If this rally (and others) forces the media to report, then maybe we will get involvement from other Air America, blogs, Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann. The corporately owned media are hoping we just fade away-which might just be happening! In Ohio we are trying to show this will not happen-and can't. CASEOhio is demanding equal protection under the law for all voters-not just white middleclass republicans.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

23. Media did not get involved with the anti-VietNam movement either

until it had reached a fever-pitch.

[fearnobush]

15. It's about time Jesse.

Thanks. And as far as protests go, why not protest the MSM? They control the tone. The parties just influence. If you threaten the normal operation of the MSM by staging massive protests, they will listen and be forced to report.

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[marions ghost]

17. Keep Hope Alive

Because he speaks to the heart, dontcha know. Back in FL in 2000, Jesse was there in the trenches when nobody else wanted to deal with the awful Truth of disenfranchisement, alive and well at the Millenium in good ol' USA. Sure he's flawed, as many spiritual leaders on earth are.
"No Voter Left Behind"--Believe It.
Come On Jesse.

[goclark]

19. He supported MLK Jr. and that is good enough for me

Jesse has supported more than you will ever know.
Trust me.

Many of the causes that he champions are not on the winning side because he is put down by Republicans and some Democrats. He is usually on the side of the poor,minorities and those that have no voice.

For some reason, in a Bush America, those are not winning issues.

[maryallen]

26. Spoken like Bill O'Reilly .... hmm

[geo]

18. kick

kick

[rosyhue]

24. vietnam protests were televised, though

as we know the media ignores large protests now - and always emphasizes the negative. People also saw war footage and soldiers returning in coffins weekly during Vietnam. Our weenie fueled media craftily refuses to show realistic war images to keep the US public nice and sheltered. Media heads are nerds...not rebels.

A protest outside the BBC office in NYC - expressing disdain for *American media* is the way to go about things.
The BBC would televise it.

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[marions ghost]

28. BBC maybe more responsive

I follow the BBC as much as American news now, tho it's not always there for us either. But the BBC at least gets around to reporting whatever is "news." C-span covers some demonstrations in their thankfully bland, sort of objective sort of way-- and non-profit Link TV (obscure cable channel)is out there also(Amy Goodman appears on Link)It is trying to be a voice of the People.

I don't think we should give up on peaceful protest rallies whatsoever. They are real, direct, inspiring--they energize those of our persuasion everywhere. They take a lot of effort to organize, and they deserve to be covered by a responsive news media. CNN is out there rabidly covering Ukranian election protests ... Challenge the US media on this bias.

These days documentaries of rallies can be made, stills and clips can be distributed on the net, etc. We should not be putting up with this blatant media neglect of groups of concerned American citizens who want to voice their opinions openly. The Demoralized say street protests are useless. Not true--they are effective, which is why they are stifled. Lack of media visibility can be overcome. Identify and support media that support us. GROW NEW MEDIA. Forget the rest.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

29. Kick

[IFeelLikeArock]

30. I like Jessie

He cares a lot about what is happening in our country I think.

[Hobbes199]

31. Finally.

Kick.

[nolabels]

32. Yea, Sunday is the day

Them other ones everyone mostly spends working for the corporate slave masters :argh:

[proudtobeadem]

33. kick

[berniew1]

34. Ohio Election officials obstructing process to run out time on recount

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.

As of election night there were 155,428 provisional ballots still to be counted in Ohio. The eagerly awaited Ohio recount cannot possibly begin until after the votes are counted for the first time.

It is now Friday, November 26, 2004. Twenty-four days have passed since the presidential election. There are 88 counties in Ohio. To my knowledge, only 13 have examined their provisional ballots, counted them, and posted the results on their websites. The 13
counties are: Ashland, Brown, Butler, Clinton, Geauga, Greene, Hancock, Montgomery, Pickaway, Preble, Tuscarawas, Union, and Warren.

Altogether, there were 23,873 provisional ballots issued in these 13 counties, or 15.36% of the
statewide total. At this rate, it would take five months to count them all. This strikes me as a
deliberate stalling tactic to delay the Ohio recount until after the electoral college meets in December.

Here are the unofficial results in the 13 counties, with the sum totals compared with those reported on election night, so as to compute the net gains:


ELECTION RESULTS AFTER COUNTING PROVISIONAL BALLOTS

County Bush Kerry Others Ballots Not Cast Counted

Ashland 16,171 8,555 234 25,739 779
Brown 12,647 7,140 105 20,281 389
Butler 109,866 56,234 696 168,976 2,180
Clinton 12,938 5,417 58 18,674 261
Geauga 29,974 19,588 205 51,286 1,519
Greene 48,377 30,530 361 80,602 1,334
Hancock 25,101 10,343 140 35,926 342
Montgomery 138,361 142,977 1,205 287,635 5,092
Pickaway 14,160 8,578 123 23,132 271
Preble 13,733 7,274 119 21,559 433
Tuscarawas 23,825 18,854 260 43,760 821
Union 15,869 6,665 96 22,911 281
Warren 68,035 26,043 337 95,512 1,097

Bush Kerry Others

Total 529,057 60.04% 348,198 39.51% 3,939 0.45%
Earlier 516,376 60.18% 337,902 39.38% 3,753 0.44%
Net Gain 12,681 54.75% 10,296 44.45% 186 0.80%

John F. Kerry is actually gaining on George W. Bush as the counting of provisional ballots proceeds. In counties that Kerry lost by 20.8% on election night, he is losing by only 10.3% among the provisional ballots counted. In the 75 counties yet to be heard from, Kerry actually held a lead on election night:

ELECTION NIGHT RESULTS

Bush Kerry Others

88 counties 2,796,147 2,659,664 25,993
13 counted 516,376 337,902 3,753
75 uncounted 2,279,771 2,321,762 22,240


There are 208,696 uncounted ballots in these 75 counties, including 131,555 provisional ballots, and 77,141 regular ballots, mostly punch cards, which will have to be examined by hand during the recount. For a county by county breakdown of the uncounted votes,
read “JOHN KERRY CONCEDED TOO SOON” at

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

Half of these uncounted votes, 104,748 (50.19%) are in 9 counties, 8 of which were won by John Kerry.

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/summary.htm

There are also 14,799 ballots still uncounted in the other 13 counties, according to the table above. No wonder Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell is trying to slow down the counting of provisional ballots, and trying to delay the recount until after he certifies the winner. There needs to be a firestorm of protest to cause him to recuse himself, or a restraining order issued by the courts.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

39. Thats because with paperless machines you can't do a Recount.

A Re-count would mean the would have to let the press watch this time. And you would have to get the People who Voted using Paperless machines back out to the poles to use paper ballots so that their 14th amendment rights are not violated this time like they were last time.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

36. Kick

[NVMojo]

38. double kick!

:kick: :kick:

[dzika]

40. Chicago Sun-Times: Jackson rallies for Ohio vote probe

Chicago Sun-Times

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-ohio28.html

Jackson rallies for Ohio vote probe

November 28, 2004

BY STEPHANIE ZIMMERMANN Staff Reporter

-snip-
"The Rev. Jesse L. Jackson and the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition are
planning to hold rallies today and Monday in Ohio to press for an
investigation of alleged voting irregularities in the closely
contested state."

[dzika]

41. Cincinnati Enquirer - "Jackson questions Ohio election tally"

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041128/NEWS01/411280435

The Enquirer (Cincinnati.com)
Sunday, November 28, 2004
Jackson questions Ohio election tally

By Reid Forgrave
Enquirer staff writer

-snip-
"The Rev. Jesse Jackson is to lead rallies in Columbus today and in
Cincinnati on Monday to encourage Ohio to seek an investigation of
the presidential vote. Jackson is to speak at Integrity Hall, 2081
Seymour Ave., Bond Hill, at 8:30 a.m. Monday."

[Vidar]

42. OK people, we have leaders:

Jackson, Cobb, Babanarik (sp), John Conyers and his fellow congressman. It would be nice to have the ones we voted for too. But let's support the ones brave enough to fight.

[gorbal]

43. 8:30 tommorow morning

I guess he is having another rally at 8:30 tommorow Mornin ing Cincinatti, if anyone lives near there.

:)

[Spiffarino]

44. While I'm not a huge fan of Rev. Jess,

I think he's doing his part and deserves to be commended. I hope he will continue to be an honest broker in all of this and bring his considerable clout to fighting for our votes to be counted.

I could become a fan if he proves himself to be working for the people who desperately need help.