Some background on why recount efforts, protests are WORTHLESS

[malatesta1137]

Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

November 25, 2004—According to informed sources in Washington and Houston, the Bush campaign spent some $29 million to pay polling place operatives around the country to rig the election for Bush. The operatives were posing as Homeland Security and FBI agents but were actually technicians familiar with Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad, Unilect, and Danaher Controls voting machines. These technicians reportedly hacked the systems to skew the results in favor of Bush.

The leak about the money and the rigged election apparently came from technicians who were promised to be paid a certain amount for their work but the Bush campaign interlocutors reneged and some of the technicians are revealing the nature of the vote rigging program.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

Petitions, protests and recounts are a GARGANTUAN WASTE of time against these criminals, they are too ruthless and powerful. Remember, they also financed 9/11, under Bush's gleefull approval.

[ahyums]

1. if you can expose them properly, you can beat them

[truehawk]

2. You may be right, but we will not know until we try

The race is to get them out before they have the kind of total control that makes desent deadly. If they already have that control, we are cooked anyway.

If they don't have it yet, then we had better make sure they don't get it.

[IndyOp]

3. I understand your feeling, but disagree with

your conclusion. It definitely feels as if we have no hope to change the result of the election, but our actions bring truth to light -- and truth matters a whole, whole lot. Speaking 'truth to power' doesn't mean speaking to elected officials or people with power in business -- it means talking to your neighbors. When our friends and family and neighbors 'get' what happened it will matter. Most people still don't 'get' that Gore won Florida in 2000. Truth matters. I encourage us all to focus on process (doing the right thing) instead of product (knowing what may or may not eventually happen).

:)

[rosyhue]

4. No one is saying protests will change things pronto

we aren't stupid. However, the entire world mistrusts the US media.
Large protests against the media's censorship shows the globe Americans aren't all idiots. Go down swinging.

[righteous1]

5. Under the radar

media reporting this stuff all over the place. WHY is the MSM not picking up any of this??? Also nothing from the main pot stirrers in Congress. Wexler, Nadler,Rangel etc. etc. Without that it aint gonna happen

[brindis_desala]

6. This is bull

If you want to take on the powerful you focus on the weakest link in the conspiracy. Remember Watergate began with the exposure of a two-bit burglary. Protests DO matter if they enter the public consciousness once a case has made for the grievance. Madsen's smokescreen is bull; the 29 million figure seems arbitrary, his sources are unnamed and MOST importantly the so-called technicians would be talking to law enforcement in confidence after winning immunity. Hacking an election is a federal crime. Drop this nonsense people and focus back on raising the public's awareness with FACTS.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. It's turning out that a number of election offices across the country

were closed because of terrorists threats on the day before and the day of the election. Gee what a coincidence.

[Yuugal]

8. link please? nt

I've seen this mentioned on threads here but nowhere else.

[Yuugal]

9. let me clarify

can you show me somewhere else beside this person's story that its been mentioned in the MSM? If it did happen wouldnt it have been all over the MSM.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Here's the thread where folks are collected all the press reports

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2750379

The incident in FL was all over the MSM that day, at least down here.

[Paligal]

19. BACK IT UP, people!!!!

DoYouEverWonder wrote: "It's turning out that a number of election offices across the country were closed because of terrorists threats on the day before and the day of the election. Gee what a coincidence."

Which election offices? How many? Where did you get your information? Did you check to make sure this was true before throwing it around as a fact?
I am getting increasingly frustrated with people on this board who are NOT helping, by making statements that they provide no source references for. Haven't you ever written a paper? You cannot make a credible argument without backing up your allegations.

It hurts our cause to have people throwing out pretty major allegations without supporting their statements. It makes us look stupid and unreliable.

[malatesta1137]

13. public's awareness?

joke, Americans are VERY aware and don't care. As long as the bombs are not being dropped in the backyards by the Bush Crime Family and in some 3rd world nation, most Americans are pretty content.

[Boredtodeath]

11. So, we should......what.....

just "get over it," right??????

Do nothing.

Lay down and let democracy die.

Just sit around and discuss how ruthless they are.

Well, you go ahead with that strategy. The rest of us will continue to fight.

[malatesta1137]

14. fight, bullshit

you'll stay behind you computer, bitching.

Ukrainians fight, Americans whine.

[Boredtodeath]

15. So where was your ass on election day?

Mine was at a polling place, working.

Where's your legislative changes to election law? Post them here for all of us to see, k?

[malatesta1137]

16. great service at the polling place but

a waste of time, for sure, guess who's being inaugurated on Jan 20? The votes were being rigged right under your very nose.

E-voting with no paper trail is inexcusable, I've been writing to representatives and senators for months, but they too are extremely corrupt. The only way out is to do what Ukrainians did. Period.

[jbond56]

12. I think we need a mock election

I say we hold an election out in the open. Think about it we could use pencil and paper. Everybit of the process could be transparent. It could be open to all americans. You just bring your birth certificate. Imagine if we could get 60 million for a canidate. a package of note book card and some number 2 pencils. The only catch is you have to stay and watch the count if you vote.

[righteous1]

17. We are in the minority

that's for sure. Just heard a poll that says over 80% of America thinks the election was legit. Obviously none of this is breaking out above the radar

[Hobbes199]

18. The only thing worthless would be to not try.

[righteous1]

20. Kerry needs to get involved

The 2 major rulings that have come down against the recounts are primarily do to the fact that the only potential agrieved party (JOHN KERRY)is not bringing the suit. In other words the Greens will not be irreparably harmed by a late or no recount so therefor they won't rule in favor of the plaintiff

[Imagevision]

21. THE FACT THAT KERRY WON'T INVOLVE HIMSELF?...

PEOPLE, ACTIONS DO SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS -- BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION AND WITHOUT KERRY GETTING INVOLVED HE'S GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

THE MASTERY IN THIS RIP-OFF IS THIS TIME ROVE PROVIDED THE POPULAR VOTE AS WELL -- KERRY? THEY'VE THREATENED HIM OR SOMETHING VERY BAD.

AFTER JAN. 6TH...IT'S OVER! THE END TO A NICE DREAM.

[digitaldog]

22. they just think we'll stay behind our computers........well....

they ain't seen nothing yet...........stay tuned this week

[Hobbes199]

23. Yes. Next time they'll provide the correct exit polls.

Then where will we be? It will be down to disenfranchisement — they'll fix those problems then, since it won't ever matter after this.

[dzika]

24. Newsweek - "Four More Years to Finally Get It Right"

This article is mostly about the technology of election reform but he makes a good case for allowing recounts and other election investigations.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6595385/site/newsweek/

Newsweek
Dec. 6 Issue
Four More Years to Finally Get It Right
By Steven Levy

-snip-
"After the 2000 debacle, one might have expected that our leaders would move mountains to make the next election an exemplary one. The fact that we cannot convince the doubters proves otherwise. Don't call them paranoid, but recognize their passion for fairly run, accurately tabulated elections. If only their zeal were more contagious. "