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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:37 AM
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Could this Ukraine debacle played right to Kerry's plans??
I would have expected to see something happened yesterday on the 'full court press' on the recount/fraud issue here... but then the Ukraine surfaced..

now we have international observers say the election there was rigged/unfair because of long lines, inimitation, supression... SAME THINGS HERE.

we've had Colin Powell say that the election was obviously rigged because the results diverged so far from the exit polls .... SOUND LIKE SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD?

the rest of the world is saying that the Ukraine was rigged.. some so far to say JUST LIKE US.

Could this been a plan all along? Knowing that the Ukraine would be a flash point?

Have they let Chimp have his head and show his 'mandate agenda', something that has turned more than a few 'pugs against him even more?

When the full court press hits (Friday? Monday? Tuesday?) Will Kerry/Dems be able to use the MANDATES own words/standards against them?

Will there be enough doubt/fear to cause some electors to turn against Chimpy?

Will there be enough doubt/fear to cause SEVEN senators to go the other way?
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:47 AM
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1. I challenge our weak, nadless leaders to use Ukraine as the example
of what happened here. I believe waht happened in Ukraine, happened for a reason and that if our weak leadership does nothing and lets those lying Republicans pretend to be outrage over it. I'm afraid the Democratic Party is over.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:06 AM
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2. No, Democracy is over. No longer the Will of the People; of God.
n/t
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:09 AM
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3. Democracy is over when you say it's over.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:22 AM
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4. Guns and brute force don't 'say' anything. eom
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stirringstill Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:35 AM
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5. Entertainment
I can not think of a way for this to hurt Kerry. The most Republicans can say is "of course we're logit, no one is marching in the US." I think it also will serve as a little wake up call to the MSM. They have read thousands of emails and remained silent. They saw the exit polls on election night and felt uncomfortable and still said nothing. Oh except to say don't mind the exit polls. And now they fall over themselves to report on election fraud in the Ukraine. Cognitive dissonance?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:22 AM
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6. Stay tuned, same time, same channel...
Gee Batman, I think this is very interesting. If it was intentionally a "flashpoint" - it's genius. It could be an issue that really backfires for someone. It's always good when you can use someone's own words against them. I hope that Kerry/Edwards and the Dems will use everyone of those words. The United States of Hypocrisy under BushCo. The chimp has surely been spending the "political capital" that's all in his mind. Looks like he's still a divider, not a uniter. Uh-oh, another flip-flop. I think this issue could be very helpful. ;-)
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:43 AM
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7. Actually, I think it could BACKFIRE on US
if BushCo takes the position of being on the side of fair play and opposition to fraud, then the stupid American public will think, "oh well, then I guess our election must have been fair, or they wouldn't be crying foul in the Ukraine". GET IT?
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 06:59 AM
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8. This certainly would correlate well with their recent past behavior!..
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 07:01 AM by coreystone
Honest politicians would never accuse anyone else of not playing fair unless the somebody was really "crooked"!


:puke:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:19 AM
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9. of course it could, if Kerry would speak up.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:33 AM
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10. The thought crossed my mind...
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 07:34 AM by helderheid
just don't know how many Americans are really paying attention. Hence why I sent the following letter to the editor (which will be published - they called to confirm) and I suggest we ALL send such letters and help put 2 and 2 together for those not paying attention:

How is it Mr. Colin Powell cannot accept the results of the Ukrainian
elections because the exit polls didn't match the election results, but he
can accept the results of the elections here in the United States when the
exit polls showed Kerry winning in a landslide?

Fill in the blanks: (Powell):"We cannot accept this result as legitimate
because it does not meet international standards and because there has not
been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and
abuse," he said. "It is still not too late for ______ authorities to find a
solution that respects the will of the __________ people."

Name,
Address,
Phone


I also sent it to the Daily Buzz which is a loose fun morning "news" show on the WB station that does an email water cooler segment:


http://www.dailybuzz.tv /

How to Reach Us


Viewers Sound Off
1-877-411-BUZZ (then press 4) - toll free call



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The Daily Buzz
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E-mail us at buzz@dailybuzz.tv .

Please please please consider doing the same.

Oh and a big THANK YOU to PeterPan who took a Powell statement on the Ukraine situation and left blanks where he referred to the Ukraine.
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