"KERRY CLUTCHES TO HOPES OF RECOUNT VICTORY"

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

http://www.northcountynews.com/view.asp?s=11-24-04/news5.htm

Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
White House calls on nation to 'come together'


Some supporters of Massachusetts Senator John Kerry and running mate John Edwards cling to the hope that an Ohio recount can swing the election

by Adam Stone
A White House spokeswoman told North County News last Friday that citizens should embrace the Election Day results and dismiss recount efforts in Ohio that could hand Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts the presidency.

"The election has ended, and now is the time for the country to come together to address the challenges our nation faces," the spokeswoman, Suzy DeFrancis, remarked.

Bush won Ohio by a vote of 2,796,147 to John Kerry's 2,659,664, according to the official tally.

In a series of e-mail interviews with North County News two weeks ago, Kerry spokesman David Wade spoke about recount efforts led by a team of 17,000 lawyers that could trigger the removal of President George W. Bush from office.

Since then, under mounting pressure from alternative media outlets as well as progressive voices outside the Democratic Party, Kerry issued a statement to his supporters that left open the possibility that he could obtain--through a recount--the requisite electoral votes to seize the White House.

"Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted--and they will be counted--we will continue to challenge this administration," Kerry said through a web-exclusive statement and video Friday, which, curiously, was not distributed to the press.

The usage of the word 'regardless' in the carefully parsed statement was the first indication Kerry has offered that, in his mind, the official election results might be inaccurate enough to tilt the election in his favor.

Wade was e-mailed the remarks from the White House spokeswoman.

"Any president of the United States should make it a priority to count every vote in our country because every citizen's full faith in the democratic process is critical," Wade responded yesterday (Tuesday). "That's why John Kerry and John Edwards built a voter protection team of lawyers around the country, lawyers who are today monitoring recounts and the counting of provisional ballots including Ohio and New Mexico. Every vote will be counted, and we Democrats aren't afraid to fight to protect voters' rights."

A Kerry victory in Ohio would give the senator enough electoral votes to seize the White House.

In another signal the Kerry/Edwards team is increasing its involvement in the recount effort, a note was posted on the campaign website yesterday that called on supporters to contribute to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Fund.

"The Federal Election Commission has just granted our request to raise funds now to cover recount expenses," the website states. "Your contribution to Kerry-Edwards 2004 GELAC will provide the resources to make sure we are prepared to win the post election day battles."

continue here http://www.northcountynews.com/view.asp?s=11-24-04/news5.htm

[fleabert]

1. kick

[eowyn_of_rohan]

2. Great article! Things are rolling now.

Getting exciting....let's watch for some real action this coming week, and be prepared to contribute to the action! Protests will begin, I can feel them coming.

[WyLoochka]

3. If an Ohio recount

flips the results, we'll have to be prepared to do what the Ukrainians are doing right now - take to the streets in huge numbers.

[pbartch]

36. I TOOK TO THE STREET TO PROTEST VIETNAM

Now I'll do it again......

I'm a 54 year old woman and now I got's me a HUSBAND TO MARCH WITH ME


HE'S A MARINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goooooooooooooooooooooo KERRY/EDWARDS!!!

(I was also a cheerleader but I can't do the splits anymore.)

[DeepGreen]

4. Thanks OmmmSweetOmmm !

A little hope :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

25. Your welcome Deep Green, and I will take as much hope that is out there.

[Garbo 2004]

5. Why doesn't the Bush Administration "embrace" the results in Ukraine?

Intead they're crying foul over the Ukraine election while there are obvious problems here with orchestrated voter suppression among other things. Remember the "cage" lists in Republican party/campaign staff emails inadvertently sent to a White House parody web site that Palast looked into?

Also, the Bushies have a strange way of unifying the country when they've associated Democrats with terrorism and treason and general unAmericanism.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

41. Indeed, all world leaders should follow the US example and

Demand that allegations of fraud should be investigated before they can accept the election results, both in the Ukraine, and right Here in the United States. The rest of the world leaders should call to attention the hypocrisy emanating form the white house. If you live in, or even rule another country, please tell the White house that you can not accept the election results until the Fraud allegations are investigated.

[BlackVelvet04]

6. I just love the wording of this sentence:

"A Kerry victory in Ohio would give the senator enough electoral votes to seize the White House."

Seize, not win?

[Matilda]

13. It may come to that!

I think they would have to drag Bush out by the feet, kicking and
screaming.

[dkofos]

34. I'd pay to see that!!!

[angrydemocrat]

64. Me to .....

Damn I would pay big bucks to see that! And would LMAO the whole time. Hell we need to help save the Enviroment and plant a Bush back in Texas.

[sherilocks]

7. From the Gov's (Pataki) hometown

weekly newspaper and written by a local newspaper reporter. I am impressed by the efforts of Adam Stone in getting this story.

Watch this website for Kerry's GELAC contributions and expenditures.

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/cgi-win/pml1_sql_PRESIDENTIAL.exe?DoFn=2004

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. It's my hometown paper too, and I am so proud of this! :)

[sherilocks]

33. So tell me, who is Adam Stone?

I googled him, but couldn't tell which Adam Stone he is. But I'm wondering if he is the same Adam Stone who has written for IEEE.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

39. I only know him as an excellent staff writer for this weekly. :)

[Aunt Anti-bush]

8. It just might be a merry Christmas afterall...

"David Wade spoke about recount efforts led by a team of 17,000 lawyers that could trigger the removal of President George W. Bush from office"

[ooglymoogly]

27. i hope it's a perp walk for that treasonous bstrd.

i can hope can't i?

[JD Lau]

9. You don't think that the Kerry/Edwards recount effort funding

note should be posted in a new thread??? This is the first I've read of their requesting new funding for that.

[unlawflcombatnt]

53. Recount Funding-yes

There definitely is a recount funding drive. I contributed to it yesterday. If I can't paste it in this message, I'll put it in another message. https://contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html?team=4595
If the above doesn't work, try going to www.johnkerry.com and look in the upper right hand corner for the abbreviation "GELAC." That's the abbreviation for the fund to finance the recount. Let me know how that works.

[mutius]

10. The chip is in

They want him in, (the chimp). Who is they? We don't know? We know the whole election was a fraud. Why Kerry conceded the election so early, we don't know? People high in office, they know it was a fraud. But they're doing nothing about it. We the people, for the people, should be outraged, but we're not. Hanging on to some false hope won't help. If the election was a fraud, then people should be going to jail, and we know that's not going to happen. I believe our country is dying, and if we do not stand up, it's gone forever. Why would our elected officials let this country die? Jobs are being out-sourced. Legal and illegal aliens are taking over the country's work force. Not only are they giving them the country that American whites and blacks worked for and built, but here take it, you can have it, and you can continue to speak your own language. They do not have to contribute, including learning English. Please if I'm wrong, someone please straighten my thinking out please!:bounce:

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Patience, little green jumping man

Everyone is distracted with the Thanksgiving holiday. Come Monday, the shit will meet the fan and by the end of next week, voter fraud will be the number one story.

It's all a matter of timing. There is too much proof being discovered, that when the case is presented to the American public, no one will be able to deny that Bush and Rove didn't try to steal the election.

Besides, all we want is for every vote to be counted. If it turns out that Bush really did win, fine. But prove it, that is all we ask.

[tsuki]

16. From your lips,

[Cowboy Joe2k]

43. If Bush has nothing to hide, why is he apposed to being sure???

Why would they be saying "you lost, give up." if we were not onto something?? Wouldn't he want the American people to have faith in the presidency if it truly was legit???

[DoYouEverWonder]

44. Exactly, the only reason he would be afraid to count the votes

is because he knows he would lose.

[merh]

21. They don't have to learn English, that's the wonderful thing about

about the USofA, personal freedoms. BTW you don't have to learn Spanish or French or German.

[googly]

42. Excuse me, unless you are a native Indian, you have immigrant roots.

So don't you go on bad mouthing us LEGAL immigrants who have
worked our butts off, obeyed every law, paid every tax and
are proud to be American citizens.

[RC]

11. The above does not jive with this.

Kerry casts eye toward Senate re-election
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x1885

[mutius]

12. I just got carried away with my emotions sorry.

[stlsaxman]

15. It does if you use the fighting technique-

"Tell the Enemy where you are and DON'T go there..."

seems like crafty strategery...

As one of my favorite philosophers, Robert Fripp, once wrote-

"Expect nothing" and "Expectation is a prison".

Helpful words for me.

[BobMorr]

17. Kick

:kick:

[glitch]

30. I like that. "Expectation is a prison" sounds very Buddhish to me.

Thanks for that, I shall now google Robert Fripp.

[NVMojo]

66. jeezue, give the guy a break. Until some recount goes in his favor

we can't afford to lose another Democrat in the Senate. Keerist. Until you walk a mile in a man's shoes ...you can hardly know his thoughts.

[ahyums]

18. the Gelac link was up there from well before the election apparently

although of course the fact that it is still there is interesting.- It's depressing though that the only paper to give any of this material any coverage is the North Country News. After reading that federal judges ruling on the recount, I really think Kerry or at least the campaign needs to get fully involved straight away if they are to stand any chance.

[Blue State Blues]

19. "Seize" the White House?

"A Kerry victory in Ohio would give the senator enough electoral votes to seize the White House."

That wording seems inappropriate -- after-all if a re-count, hand-count, or otherwise first accurate count determines that Kerry actually won Ohio and thus the Presidency then he would be THE legitimate winner, not somehow seizing control.

Oh well, at least they're starting to cover it now.

[Longgrain]

51. I hope to see the day

us peasantry can march up to the White House steps, drag the smirking chimpster out into the streets, and inaugurate Kerry into his rightful place as Al Gore's sucessor...

Seize, because i doubt the shrub would back down easily, even if the recounts show Kerry the clear winner of Ohio that i believe he is, expect some court case before it's over.


Anyways, hi Blue State Blues and welcome to DU :hi:

[99Pancakes]

56. That's the 64 million $$$ question

When Kerry recounts and becomes the true winner, what do ya'll think Srubby, Inc. will do in response? I believe that if Kerry claims to be the true winner though, he will be very sure of his results. He is too meticulous and intelligent to come out and proclaim victory unless he were damn certain.

[catnhatnh]

20. Good article BUT..

POOR framing....howcome republicans "win" elections and want to "reform" Social Security but we violent Dems try to "attack" the electoral College or as in this article "seize" the white House???

[bmoney07]

23. seize the Whitehouse

Maybe they will have to seize the Whitehouse because by then the Electoral College will have voted and even though congress doesn’t open the votes until 1/06/05 and the president does not get sworn in until 01/20/04, its hard telling when, how, and where the DEMS will come up with required proof/votes to wrestle the Whitehouse back- It has been and will be a WAR. The repukes will not let it go easily in congress and the Kerry campaign and all people behind them will have to fight like there is no tomorrow which there isn’t if we loose.

[Pithy Cherub]

22. Still grappling with Keith O

being alternative media...

[Touchdown]

26. Question: The difference in votes is 136,483...

...according to this article, which states the official tally. Does this include the provisional counts, and absentee/overseas counts, the removal of those 4000 overvotes from a single county with a "glitch" as well? This seems like the same number we got on Nov 3rd. Will the "official tally" ever change, based on further counting of the provisional/absentee ballots, or does Bush always remain 136,000 votes ahead no matter how many votes are counted, or how many overvotes are found?

[Jack Bone]

32. This site might help you...

This was posted on another thread a few days ago..I bookmarked it and check in from day to day...they have updated it sometime before yesterday...it's a site that adds the provisional ballots to the election night results...I dunno if absentee's are involved or not...but it's nice to check in from time to time...here's the addy..


http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

[unlawflcombatnt]

55. Provisional Ballot Count Update

There is a site that has the latest Ohio Provisional Ballot count. This is the best one I've found so far. I'll try to insert the link here. It was updated several times per day until Thanksgiving Day. They may not re-start counting until Monday, but I don't know for sure.
http://ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com/2004/11/summary-of-provisional-ballots-count.html

[Truthbeknown]

28. What do you think about this article?Funding for Rigged Election

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

[bmoney07]

29. see madsen email forum

Look into the other discussions related to this article people have been hamemring it since T-day.

[mackdaddy]

31. NOT Ohio "Official Tally" either

Even on Blackwells SOS site the link to the results page is labeled "View UNOFFICIAL 2004 Election Results".

Many counties are still doing their final counts, and it is not even close to official until the vote is Certified.

When we make this type of mistake we are tinfoil hat idiots.

[GoSolar]

35. kick

:kick:

[IAMREALITY]

37. This Article

Is one of the best support articles I've read yet. Extremely well written and persuasive without sounding tin foil hattish. Thank you for posting it, as I am always looking for good intelligently written articles to pass around to the 'yet to believers' and also to print out and display prominently in my office for passerby's to read.

As far as using the word 'seize' goes, doesn't really mean much. Writers are always looking to use words with impact, and to think it was a slam somehow is just overly petty.

There were also a few parts of the article I hadn't seen quoted before but mae an impact:

*snip*
Dr. Frank, whose book explores Bush's "psychological limitations," believes the Ohio recount will hand Kerry the presidency.

"I think that a recount in Ohio, if done properly, will show a narrow Kerry victory and he should be inaugurated hopefully by January 20, 2005," the Washington D.C.-based, clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center said.

"The disruption and cries of foul will be huge," the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst said. "But I think Bush lost. Kerry people are finally joining in, though I think they have been active all along, just quietly."

and this one....

*snip*

"I was told that the standard was to have one voting machine per 100 registered voters," he continued. "Precinct A had 750 registered voters. Precinct G had 690. There should have been 14 voting machines at this site. There were only 6, three per precinct, less than 50 percent of the standard. This caused an enormous bottleneck among voters who had to wait a very, very long time to vote, many of them giving up in frustration and leaving…I estimate, by the way, that an estimated loss of over 8,000 votes from the African American community in the City of Youngstown alone, with its 84 precincts, were lost due to insufficient voting machines, and that would translate to some 7,000 votes lost for John Kerry for president in Youngstown alone. . . ."

Once again great article, thanks for the post!

[PaulaGem]

38. Sample DIEBOLD touchscreen layout

Someone got a big bonus for this one...

[Truman01]

40. Notice what the article says versus the headline

The headline talks about Kerry clutching to hope, the article quickly changes that to "Supporters of Kerry." As much as I hoped this was talking about Kerry taking a stand on the recount, I don't think it means anything except what we already knew: "WE are holding out hope."

[Blue in the face]

45. Cautiously optimistic

The politicalmoneyline website shows Kerry having $6.7 million left in his GELAC account. I have seen many people on this board wish that Kerry would take an active role in contesting the election results. While I can't wait for Bush to get his ass nailed for fraud, I'm glad that Kerry has waited until he had proof before going on the record and pursuing legal action.

However, I already gave to the Dems and Kerry in the election.
And I'm not giving any more money to the Dems or Kerry until they take an active role in the recound and investigation process. I've given to the GLIBs, Nader and Helpamericarecount.org, and will continue to send money to organizations that are actively investigating the election results.

But unless Kerry takes up the fight to stamp out fraud in our electoral system, he's got $6.7 million dollars left to play with. My message to Kerry is to call me when you're serious about getting to the bottom of this. Until then I'm supporting Bev and Joan and the people who are doing their best to get the truth.

[AJH032]

46. When does the Ohio recount start?

Anyone know?

[sherilocks]

47. Kick

:kick: For the evening crowd.

[emcguffie]

48. demonstrations beginning about the election fraud

I'm posting this in a few spots, since I'm new and cannot start a thread. But there will be a demonstration in New York City tomorrow, Saturday, beginning at 1 p.m. in Times Square.

This may be old news to everyone here, but it was welcome news today to me.

Other demonstrations have been planned for other cities.

[Solitaire]

49. Thank you, emcguffie!

and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Imagevision]

50. Kerry's Lawyers to Bev Harris:

{snip} "The Kerry attorney in Volusia, by the way, came by but asked not a single question, never asked to look at any evidence, and told one of the producers of Votergate that he thought Black Box Voting was just here to "stir up trouble." says Bev Harris.

Full Article> http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/articles/WhatVoteFraud.htm

This is hardly what I and most of you would have expected from Kerry's league of lawyers! Something isn't right!

[Pepper32]

59. Yeah, I saw this in another thread...

It really has me wondering if Kerry is on our side. I really want to keep believing he is...

I haven't given up on him yet. :dunce:

[goldengreek]

61. Maybe they're getting ready to stab us in the back.

The Democratic leadership has been known to do that before.

[mbee]

68. Maybe it would be something like Gomer Pyle when they prove the

fraud and they'll say SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

[unlawflcombatnt]

52. OhioRecountBlocked??

Does anyone have further information regarding the Temporary Restraining Order that has blocked the Ohio recount in Delaware County? Apparently a Delaware County judge has blocked this part of the Ohio recount. Other counties may also seek to block recounts. This article appeared in the Columbus Dispatch on 11-24-04 in an article titled "Delaware County court blocks recount." If this restraining order is granted in other counties, we may NOT get a recount in Ohio.

[noclonyofthechimp]

54. I think it is the recount BEFORE ohio certifies its election

blackwell is taking his sweet time with the provisionals and certifying the vote. The judge won't allow the official recount that was awarded to the green party before that...

[unlawflcombatnt]

57. RecountBlock??

Thank you for your letter. I hope you're right. In reading the article, it looks worrisome. I'll try to insert some pertinent quotes.

"A Delaware County judge yesterday granted a temporary restraining order sought by the county’s Board of Elections to block Green and Libertarian presidential candidates from forcing a recount of the Nov. 2 election results.
County Prosecutor David Yost, the board’s legal adviser, said he was pleased that Common Pleas Judge W. Duncan Whitney granted the temporary order. The board is seeking a PERMANENT injunction to quash the recount request...
In the Delaware County case, the elections board wants to block a recount both before and AFTER CERTIFICATION.
Delaware County is apparently the first county to seek a court order blocking a recount, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell.
Other counties, however, are thinking about it, he said.
Keith Cunningham, director of the Allen County Board of Elections and incoming president of the Ohio Association of Elections Officials, said he might mobilize other counties to resist a recount, the Associated Press reported.
In the federal case, the third-party candidates sought an immediate recount and on Monday filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Toledo to compel it.
Judge James G. Carr ruled that the candidates have a right under Ohio law to a recount, but said it can wait until after certification."


It does appear that the Toledo judge blocked only an early recount. But it appears that Delaware County Judge Whitney's TRO applies to ANY recount. And it appears the Delaware County election board is seeking a permanent injunction against any recount. I sincerely hope I'm wrong here. It seems that such an injunction would be illegal. But that's never stopped Republicans in the past.

[noclonyofthechimp]

58. Yes. If their is a loop whole, they will find it.

There are a lot of lawyers and progressive groups there though. Not to mention, now the Dem's and many gov officials are still taking testimony from the disenfranchised. Hopefully, they will smell any kind of irregularities from any state official including a judge.:spank:

[bushnboots]

62. Ohio recount only a maybe?

No recount allowed in Ohio by judge PRIOR to certification of count. However, a recount may then be allowed...we'll see what Blackwell comes up with to stall it then.

[goldengreek]

60. I'll believe it when I see it.

The Democratic leadership has a long history of talking a tough talk, then turning tail and running in a pinch. This time the stability of the planet is at stake so they better get their fucking asses in gear.

[Mirwib]

63. It is easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.

[brindis_desala]

65. British M.P. weighs in on U.S. election.Things may be heating up

Did Dubbya rig the election?
Michael Meacher
Monday 29th November 2004

Michael Meacher smells something fishy in Bush's return to office. The evidence of fraud is not yet conclusive but, given the Republicans' record, it is all too plausible

http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200411290018

[berniew1]

67. Kerry will win in Ohio if the recount process is fair; but will it

Kerry the likely winner in Ohio Recount
http://www.opednews.com/shurberg_112004_election.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/summary.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/ohio.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cameron.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm