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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:42 AM
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Excellent "election fraud" soapbox in local paper...
This is from the Fort Collins Coloradoan, Friday, Nov 26th.

URL:
http://www.coloradoan.com/news/stories/20041126/opinion/1652993.html

EXCERPT:
Election Day exit polls showed an electoral landslide for Sen. John Kerry. The Bush campaign was so sure it would lose, communications honcho Karen Hughes reportedly sat W down to break the bad news. Indeed, how could it be otherwise, given the incumbent's 50 percent job-approval rating, a deepening quagmire in Iraq and the worst jobs record since the Great Depression?

Bush's summer-long lead, fueled largely by fear and smear, had evaporated as new voter registrations soared. And so exit polling in key swing states including Ohio and Florida, New Mexico and Nevada, showed most voters chose Kerry. The margin was so great even Republican spin guru Frank Luntz called the election for Kerry.

But then the electronic voting machines (that produce no paper trail) reported something unexpected: Bush had taken enough key states to win....
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:53 AM
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1. Wow!
Thanks for sharing this really incredible OpEd. The author manages to speak the truth in a calm, self-effacing, non-scary way. My favorite section: "No one likes to be called a paranoid conspiracy nut, and most folks are too honest and too nice to point out the obvious, so I will. This election was stolen, mainly through machines manufactured by ESS and Diebold, two companies that support the Republican Party."

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:13 AM
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2. omg could there really be... dum de dum dum...election fraud!!!!?
i won't, i can't believe our beloved president would commit fraud just to win an election. if it were true wouldn't the press be investigating? huh wouldn't they huh huh huh wouln't they.

yuhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kitp Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:27 AM
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3. thanks
for posting this article.

It has some unfortunate data, though, and appears to be a bit out of date.
Here is my email to the author:

Mr. Fried,

Thank you for writing the above referenced article. Those of us who have been watching the counting and recounting of votes have had very little support in the media regarding our concerns. I want you to know that we appreciate any mention of voting problems in this election.

I would like to comment on several items you spoke of in the article. The first is Jeff Fisher. Though Mr. Fisher has made some strong claims, he has yet to produce any evidence to back these claims, and I for one am not certain that he does indeed have any knowledge to impart on the problems with this election. There are a great many people working very hard to uncover actual data and fact, unsupported claims do not help our cause.

The number of representitives who have signed the GAO request you mention is now fourteen. Additionally the GAO has already agreed to investigate the reports of irregularities in the election.


To those of us who are talking about the problems with the 2004 vote, we find it a bit ironic that the Republican party, in particular Senator Lugar and Secratary Powell, are talking in the press - and getting coverage - about the stolen election in the Ukraine. The data they use to support their claims that the election was fraudulent are that the exit polls diverged from the actual vote tallies. This, they claim, is a good way to determine if vote manipulation occured.
However, here in the U.S., when the exit polls diverge, the exit polls are claimed to be invalid. That these two stances are contradictory, if not hypocritical, is obvious and I wish this were mentioned in the press.
Even worse, Bev Harris of Black Box Voting, has been attempting to uncover voting problems in Florida and is being stopped by an obscure rule in Florida that states that vote results cannot be challanged on statistical evidence alone.

Although I appreciate every mention of the problems with the vote, and am glad when any jouralist actually uses the 'F' word , I do wish that this contradictory position of the current administration would be revealed. How can they maintain that exit polls are accurate in the Ukraine but not accurate in the U.S.? And if they are accurate enough to call into question the results of the Ukrainian election, why can they not be used to call into question the U.S. election.

Thank you again for your article, please keep covering this topic.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:59 PM
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4. Kick this great post
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:23 PM
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5. Kick
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